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I wasn't a big fan of the prequals either and I was 10 when Episode 1 came out, but Darth Maul was the most badass character in the whole series IMO
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Learn the episode numbers. Kthx.
quote:This is exactly what the prequels needed. A character like Han would've gone a long way to make those movies more fun, in the style of the originals.
I've heard CG criticism and certainly that was true of that battle in Phantom Menace, but i've also read that quite a lot of modeling was used for many scenes. The prequels weren't as tangible, no, but the lack of great characters like HanSolo really did them in. matter of fact, without Han, Star Wars would be seriously degraded.
quote:That's the problem with the Ewoks. I am couple years younger and didn't have a problem with them at the time. And I watched the Ewok movies with that little blonde girl and her 80s headband as well, and enjoyed them. But my level of understanding of Star Wars was : Spaceships! Lasers! PEW-PEW!quote:
Jedi was the only movie I ever saw in the theaters (born in 78) and I didn't have any problems with the Ewoks. I even watched the Ewok Adventure every time I visited my grandparents (I had the cool grandpa that had one of them brand new VHS players and he recorded it!!!!!!).
And now I have a 4 year old that has never seen the non-special edition original trilogy as well as the prequals... and he loves them all.
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I have never seen the new Planet of the Apes movies, and don't have much of a desire to.
But, most prequels have problems that are systematic to the nature of the story telling. You're forced to tell your story inside the bounds created by a random lines in the original source material. They HAD to have clones in some fashion because they were already called the clone wars. Since the droids were essentially the narrators of the entire story they HAD to be in the prequels. It becomes forced. Obviously George Lucas completely botched Episodes 1-3 to the point I watched them each once, in the theater and have never tried them again, but he was already behind the eight ball just by the nature of trying to tell a prequel.
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I watched 4 &5 with my boys over the holiday. I just wish he and the writers had re-watched their damn movies before they wrote those stories. Huge inconsistencies between the back story given in 4 and what happened in 1-3.
How I would have done it:
Episode 1 - The Clone Wars
Ditch Quigon (sp) - Episode 1 should have been an Obi wan Kenobi movie
Centuries of peace have been broken by a separatist movement that is opposed to the huge bueracrasy that the Republic has become. Wars has broken out and the Republic has turned to clones to build an army quickly. Have Kenobi end up on Tantooine and meet a teenage Anakin who is just a farmer living with his family, including his brother Owen. Anakin can be a dreamer, rebellious, etc. And you have a ton of parallels starting between father/son Ep 1/Ep 4.
Episode 2 - The Chosen One
The Anakin Sywalker movie. If you wanted a "prophesy". Here you go. Anakin is leading a star fighter force. Great Pilot, etc. Jedi council starts realizing how powerful he is. Major Battle X......
Episode 3 - Rise of the Empire
Clone Wars taking their toll. Much death and destruction. Anakin begins losing faith and building a friendship with sympathetic politician Palpatine. Erosion to the Dark side, big Jedi battle Yoda, Emperor, Obiwon, Anakin. Darth Vader is born. Balance is brought to the force (2 Jedi / 2 Sith).
quote:But Lucas ignored a lot of things set down in the originals. The real big Star Wars nerds have very long lists of contradictions. Many of which are nit picky but some are not.
I have never seen the new Planet of the Apes movies, and don't have much of a desire to.
But, most prequels have problems that are systematic to the nature of the story telling. You're forced to tell your story inside the bounds created by a random lines in the original source material. They HAD to have clones in some fashion because they were already called the clone wars. Since the droids were essentially the narrators of the entire story they HAD to be in the prequels. It becomes forced. Obviously George Lucas completely botched Episodes 1-3 to the point I watched them each once, in the theater and have never tried them again, but he was already behind the eight ball just by the nature of trying to tell a prequel.
quote:From what I remember, the hangliding Ewok didn't take out any AT-STs, only ground troops. The swinging tree trunks and rolling logs were the only successful traps against the walkers.
AT-STs taken out by teddy bears in hang gliders?
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Just b/c they look cuddly doesn't mean they are useless.
quote:I know you're going for hyperbole but Jabba was never human.quote:
I have never seen the new Planet of the Apes movies, and don't have much of a desire to.
But, most prequels have problems that are systematic to the nature of the story telling. You're forced to tell your story inside the bounds created by a random lines in the original source material. They HAD to have clones in some fashion because they were already called the clone wars. Since the droids were essentially the narrators of the entire story they HAD to be in the prequels. It becomes forced. Obviously George Lucas completely botched Episodes 1-3 to the point I watched them each once, in the theater and have never tried them again, but he was already behind the eight ball just by the nature of trying to tell a prequel.
Random timelines? It was all carefully plotted out 30+ years ago when lucas wrote the entire story including the pod races and the incestuous relationship between luke and leia and the idea that Vader went from the second most powerful being in the galaxy to a lap dog of a regional commander back to the 2nd most powerful being in the galaxy and Jabba going from human to alien. /Brian
quote:This might have been said, but I think he just tried too hard to make Star Wars prequels instead of making "The Rise and Fall of Anakin Skywalker."quote:But Lucas ignored a lot of things set down in the originals. The real big Star Wars nerds have very long lists of contradictions. Many of which are nit picky but some are not.
I have never seen the new Planet of the Apes movies, and don't have much of a desire to.
But, most prequels have problems that are systematic to the nature of the story telling. You're forced to tell your story inside the bounds created by a random lines in the original source material. They HAD to have clones in some fashion because they were already called the clone wars. Since the droids were essentially the narrators of the entire story they HAD to be in the prequels. It becomes forced. Obviously George Lucas completely botched Episodes 1-3 to the point I watched them each once, in the theater and have never tried them again, but he was already behind the eight ball just by the nature of trying to tell a prequel.
I don't think he ever cared.
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...probably led to him selling the franchise to Disney...
quote:Phantom Menace was pretty much pointless IMO. If you really feel that way, I seriously suggest you watch Ep 2, then the 2008 tv series Star Wars: The Clone Wars (or the 2003 animated series Star Wars: Clone Wars), then Ep 3. The TV series built some on Anakin's frustration with the Order, but didn't always deal with just Kenobi and Skywalker adventures IIRC. The 2008 series, which is admitedly geared more towards children but did grow darker in tone over the show's run, is now canon if I understand correctly and introduced a padawan, Ahsoka Tano, for Anakin. The only reason I bring this up, besides it being in the prequel era of movies, is that the reasons around her departure from the Jedi Order most likely had a profound effect on Anakin's trust and continued frustration with the Council.
It would have been decent except that Lucas needs "universe altering war" to be the climax of every film. He did it in Ep 1 and 2, and they were by far the weakest movies of the prequel trilogy. Ironically the best films in each trilogy were the ones where there was no epic battle scene. (Ep3 prequels, ep 5 originals).
I much rather had "The Adventures of Ben and Anakin" for three movies than explaining the rise of the empire, trade wars, pod racing, cloning facilities and their ties to assassins, etc etc. But because Lucas thought himself to be the best at epic stories he had to go big in scope. Just tell the fall of Anakin, it's that simple.
quote:This is the one thing that I think Disney will get right. Anything coming from this point forward will likely be laid out in a meaningful timeline (like Agents of Shield and the MCU movies), rather than back filling in gaps. Episode 3 could have been a really great movie if the Clone Wars series had existed before hand to give Anakin some more depth.
Yes I know, the 2008 series was done after Ep 3 and that Ahsoka was not mentioned at all in Ep 3, but it does give a little context for Anakin's view of the council.
quote:It probably could have been it's own stand alone movie. Anakin was a Jedi forged in battle and a time of turmoil for the Republic, and the series gives depth to that fact. The Jedi were not supposed to be soldiers in war, but Palpatine manipulated events enough to make that happen.quote:This is the one thing that I think Disney will get right. Anything coming from this point forward will likely be laid out in a meaningful timeline (like Agents of Shield and the MCU movies), rather than back filling in gaps. Episode 3 could have been a really great movie if the Clone Wars series had existed before hand to give Anakin some more depth.
Yes I know, the 2008 series was done after Ep 3 and that Ahsoka was not mentioned at all in Ep 3, but it does give a little context for Anakin's view of the council.
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Sayas, there's a reason they cut that scene. That dude was never playing Jabba, he was a placeholder. Special effects weren't advanced enough at the time.
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Sayas, there's a reason they cut that scene. That dude was never playing Jabba, he was a placeholder. Special effects weren't advanced enough at the time.
If you're filming a scene with a placeholder and the intent of later putting in a big slug that has a tail, your placeholder would have a tail so your smuggler wouldn't walk behind the placeholder.
See that's how you end with a scene in which a smuggler who owes a gangster a bunch of money walks around and steps on Jabba's tail in Lucas' *******ization re-releases. Have you ever seen a gangster movie where the low level thief would live after doing something like that to the mob boss?
