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Short Round
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Cons:

-meh
-too long
-cheesy predictable omg it's us plot, granted not nearly as bad as the crying alien at the end of Mission to Mars
-sound getting loud at random times was weird
-wanted to leave when chic was quantifying love, unless you're in Reno you can't measure love

Pros:
-Saturn visual
-90% robot humor
-laughed at dead astronaut body floating in the water

5/10
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Saw it today. I can't remember another movie where I was just in awe of what I was seeing. Inception comes pretty close.

I totally disagree with any shortcomings some of you have. It was just about perfect, minus the sound issues in the black hole.

There are obviously varying opinions about this movie, but the only opinion I can't picture someone having is that which says Interstellar is just about perfect. There were expository scenes and lines in the movie where Nolan was practically communicating to his audience saying "Hey, I know this **** ain't perfect, but bare with me..."
Philip J Fry
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Saw it today. I can't remember another movie where I was just in awe of what I was seeing. Inception comes pretty close.

I totally disagree with any shortcomings some of you have. It was just about perfect, minus the sound issues in the black hole.

There are obviously varying opinions about this movie, but the only opinion I can't picture someone having is that which says Interstellar is just about perfect. There were expository scenes and lines in the movie where Nolan was practically communicating to his audience saying "Hey, I know this **** ain't perfect, but bare with me..."


Uhhh, yeah. 2001 is a masterpiece. A classic that transcends generations. I think Interstellar is very close to this level.
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Saw it today. I can't remember another movie where I was just in awe of what I was seeing. Inception comes pretty close.

I totally disagree with any shortcomings some of you have. It was just about perfect, minus the sound issues in the black hole.

There are obviously varying opinions about this movie, but the only opinion I can't picture someone having is that which says Interstellar is just about perfect. There were expository scenes and lines in the movie where Nolan was practically communicating to his audience saying "Hey, I know this **** ain't perfect, but bare with me..."
Different strokes...
Head Ninja In Charge
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Different strokes.
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Saw it today. I can't remember another movie where I was just in awe of what I was seeing. Inception comes pretty close.

I totally disagree with any shortcomings some of you have. It was just about perfect, minus the sound issues in the black hole.

There are obviously varying opinions about this movie, but the only opinion I can't picture someone having is that which says Interstellar is just about perfect. There were expository scenes and lines in the movie where Nolan was practically communicating to his audience saying "Hey, I know this **** ain't perfect, but bare with me..."
Such as?
Bruce Almighty
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I'm glad I'm not the only person that had difficulty understanding the dialogue. I had the same issues with Bane in TDKR
israeliag
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I thoroughly enjoyed this film. I know many are trying to place this in comparison to 2001, Contact, and a few other such films. I have read plenty of sci-fi, and this to me was the first true science-fiction film that could put on screen the emotions and philosophies that the great sci-fi novels do.

The biggest issue I've had with Nolan's films is the pacing - it's always felt rushed and difficult to comprehend the time from one moment to the other (with the previous exception of Memento). And this one does so at times as well, but the 23 year time dilation cost of going to the water planet, and Cooper seeing Murph in her death bed, hit a nerve that I've read before but never seen portrayed on screen, much less so successfully.

You can tell Nolan takes many homages from past greats, and none of it felt stolen. There obvious comparisons to 2001, but also to Asimov with the robot laws, another one to Arthur C. Clarke with Cooper Station essentially being Rama from Rendezvous with Rama, and even a Ken Burns like Dust Bowl documentary footage (I'm not even sure it wasn't).

I'm going to be thinking about this one a lot.

The robot humor as some of the best laughs I've had - and the perfect type and timing of humor in an otherwise overly/properly serious film.
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Saw it today. I can't remember another movie where I was just in awe of what I was seeing. Inception comes pretty close.

I totally disagree with any shortcomings some of you have. It was just about perfect, minus the sound issues in the black hole.

There are obviously varying opinions about this movie, but the only opinion I can't picture someone having is that which says Interstellar is just about perfect. There were expository scenes and lines in the movie where Nolan was practically communicating to his audience saying "Hey, I know this **** ain't perfect, but bare with me..."
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- The "love" monologue from Anne Hathaway. It was good directing/writing to have Cooper override that cheese by going to Matt Damon's planet, but the dialogue was painful - and painfully obvious that it would come into play later in the movie.

- The Romilly exposition where he literally had to use a piece of paper and pencil to explain the structure of a wormhole to Cooper (their freaking lead astronaut) while they were already halfway to their destination.

- For a three hour movie, the time spent on the jump from Cooper's skepticism to okay-I'm-piloting-this-shuttle was about less than a minute long; there was no real seque from NASA's introduction to Cooper telling his family goodbye to the crew launching out of the atmosphere. Even Armageddon spent more time on the transition scenes.



Look, I like Christopher Nolan as much as the next guy. His ambition is pretty much unmatched. He doesn't get lazy. He has more than enough in his catalogue to retire as one of the best, but he's going out there every night trying to drop 400 yards on the other team. He's Peyton Manning. But this was probably the most uneven movie I've seen from him.
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The biggest issue I've had with Nolan's films is the pacing - it's always felt rushed and difficult to comprehend the time from one moment to the other (with the previous exception of Memento). And this one does so at times as well, but the 23 year time dilation cost of going to the water planet, and Cooper seeing Murph in her death bed, hit a nerve that I've read before but never seen portrayed on screen, much less so successfully.

All of this. And the funny thing is that I don't think it's all Nolan's "fault" when it comes to the pacing. It's just an incredibly hard film to make. I don't think there is a director in the world who would have been able to make this movie better than Christopher Nolan. It was just an impossible movie to make perfectly.
Philip J Fry
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I have no idea why explaining the wormhole looked like a sphere is s big deal to you. I'd never once considered that it would look like a sphere and actually appreciated the dialog.
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You would think that the primary solution (at the very least it's structure and appearance) to the story's conflict would be something that was understood by the movie's protagonist.

I get the need to explain the structure and appearance of a wormhole to a movie theater audience. Nolan should have just chosen either 1) another character to use as the vehicle or 2) another narrative point (probably Michael Caine's character) to do it.

Explaining the wormhole's appearance and (essentially) what it does to the smartest guy on the vessel while that supposed smart guy is literally already looking at the wormhole was dumb to me. This guy was in charge of saving the planet and he was surprised to see that the road he was taking to save it looked the way it did while a lesser crew member knew exactly what it looked it like and why.
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I have no idea why explaining the wormhole looked like a sphere is s big deal to you. I'd never once considered that it would look like a sphere and actually appreciated the dialog.

Of course you and I would never consider that it looked like a sphere. We're not astronauts. There could have been a better way to write that dialogue to explain it to us than the way Nolan did which was to explain it to the movie's primary protagonist in the most elementary way possible. It's like explaining the triangle offense to Michael Jordan midway through the season.
Head Ninja In Charge
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Anyways, all things considered, 7 out of 10.
Philip J Fry
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I'm not sure astronauts would know that either. They aren't astrophysicists.
Head Ninja In Charge
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Then why did the Nigerian guy know it? You would think that in a mission to save the planet, things like that would be discussed before actually embarking on the mission.

In the final act, Cooper was able to put together logic pertaining to the 4th and 5th dimensions in a matter of minutes, but he had no clue why a wormhole, the very exact road they were supposed to use, looked the way it did.

As mentioned a number of times before, I think this was a result of uneven pacing and writing. Again, not an easy movie to make.
Philip J Fry
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Probably because the Nigerian was a theoretical mathematician/astrophysicist and not a pilot/computer programmer.

Based on your last reply, it sounds like you would have preferred then show some fancy computer graphic at the round table a la the Death Star at the end of episode 4. That would have been laughably stupid compared to just showing the thing.

It's also pretty easy for him to put it together because he was seeing scenes he recognized as the past.
Head Ninja In Charge
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No, I would prefer that on a mission to save humanity, that the astrophysicist or whoever would have discussed with the pilot what the route will look like on the way to a destination that was designed to preserve the entire species BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GET TO SAID DESTINATION. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

Philip J Fry
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Yes, because that would have really helped pacing. Some astrophysicist explaining that yhe wormhole will actually look like a sphere well before they get there...
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You would think that the primary solution (at the very least it's structure and appearance) to the story's conflict would be something that was understood by the movie's protagonist.

I get the need to explain the structure and appearance of a wormhole to a movie theater audience. Nolan should have just chosen either 1) another character to use as the vehicle or 2) another narrative point (probably Michael Caine's character) to do it.

Explaining the wormhole's appearance and (essentially) what it does to the smartest guy on the vessel while that supposed smart guy is literally already looking at the wormhole was dumb to me. This guy was in charge of saving the planet and he was surprised to see that the road he was taking to save it looked the way it did while a lesser crew member knew exactly what it looked it like and why.


That is the most retarded complaint I've heard so far about this movie.
mid90
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My solution to the wormhole explanation thing (which I agree seemed heavy handed in the movie):

As the astronauts are approaching it, flip back to Earth. Dr. Brand is with Murph, telling her that her Dad just arrived at Saturn, and is preparing to enter the wormhole.

"What's a wormhole?" Murph asks

"Let me show you" Brand says. Then does the same illustration the astronaut does.

Flip back to the team about to enter the wormhole, but keep the audio of Murph and Brand's conversation going.


Boom. Done. Doesn't hurt pacing, and you don't have an astronaut explaining to his crewmate what's about to happen on this mission they signed up for over 2 years ago.
Saxsoon
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I don't really have a problem with closed loops paradoxes as some people do I guess. I personally love them.
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Don't think it's been mentioned yet, but LOL at Cooper sending super complex quantum data via morse code


LOL good thing time was super whacked in the 5th-dimension-materialized-as-the-3rd-dimension or else humanity would have been dead by the time he finished tapping that watch.
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Don't think it's been mentioned yet, but LOL at Cooper sending super complex quantum data via morse code


LOL good thing time was super whacked in the 5th-dimension-materialized-as-the-3rd-dimension or else humanity would have been dead by the time he finished tapping that watch.

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought of that.

However, if you noticed, Murph wrote the entire morse code on a notebook. How much information could have really have relayed?
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My solution to the wormhole explanation thing (which I agree seemed heavy handed in the movie):

As the astronauts are approaching it, flip back to Earth. Dr. Brand is with Murph, telling her that her Dad just arrived at Saturn, and is preparing to enter the wormhole.

"What's a wormhole?" Murph asks

"Let me show you" Brand says. Then does the same illustration the astronaut does.

Flip back to the team about to enter the wormhole, but keep the audio of Murph and Brand's conversation going.


Boom. Done. Doesn't hurt pacing, and you don't have an astronaut explaining to his crewmate what's about to happen on this mission they signed up for over 2 years ago.


Bingo.
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The biggest issue I've had with Nolan's films is the pacing - it's always felt rushed and difficult to comprehend the time from one moment to the other (with the previous exception of Memento). And this one does so at times as well, but the 23 year time dilation cost of going to the water planet, and Cooper seeing Murph in her death bed, hit a nerve that I've read before but never seen portrayed on screen, much less so successfully.

All of this. And the funny thing is that I don't think it's all Nolan's "fault" when it comes to the pacing. It's just an incredibly hard film to make. I don't think there is a director in the world who would have been able to make this movie better than Christopher Nolan. It was just an impossible movie to make perfectly.


I think some of it is also intentional to keep the tension, suspension, and action going. It worked very well in the Dark Knight, but that story was confined to one city. Here, and in the other batman films, there's real geographical (and the titular interstellar) movement, so IMO that maintenance of suspense doesnt need to be primary. I don't mind long films, but I can see a focus on timing making this 3+ hours.

That said, it's a very minor gripe.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Saw it last night and can't stop thinking about/analyzing this movie. Very much like after Inception.
Wrec86 Ag
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I hate how every movie thread turns into 4 or 5 posters arguing about small points in the movie. I get why it happens, it just sucks.


I love the fact that I naturally turn my brain off for movies. I had no idea that MM was the ghost in Murph's bedroom. I feel sorry for those of you who see those turns coming. I know I should have seen it coming, but my brain takes every scene in a movie for what it's worth and I don't try to look past it. It makes my enjoyment of movies that much better.

TV shows are the opposite. I see every turn coming and I can't stop watching the Big Bang Theory cast push food around their plate pretending like they're eating dinner. It makes the show no fun.
Saxsoon
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I saw coop being a force ghost and it helped my enjoyment significantly.

Never paid that close attention to the food thing in bbt
Brian Earl Spilner
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I do have one tiny complaint about the movie. (Well, the format, not the movie itself.)

I saw it on 70mm IMAX, and I was expecting the quality of the picture to be amazing and crisp. To my disappointment, at several points in the movie, it looked grainy.

Granted, the screen is enormous, and the scenes when it filled the screen looked amazing, but I couldn't help but notice on some of the close-ups how grainy the image looked. And on top of that, there were already artifacts showing up on the film, and it's only been out 5 days. I have no idea if that was caused by the projector or the film itself, but I did find it distracting at times.
Malachi Constant
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They stated that TARS would be going into the black hole before MM decided he was going to go too.

At that point, I thought that TARS may have been the ghost in the room - Setting up a whole AI/Humanity thing.

Glad I was wrong.
TexAgs91
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I have seen a lot of sci-fi moves, some great, some good and many hokey sci-fi movies that are a cute way to blow some time. For me, this movie was truly groundbreaking. I can honestly say this has to be my top first or second sci-fi movie of all time. I'll let the years go by some to see if I'd really rank it at number one but I think I might.

With a MS in physics, I was truly impressed to see a movie with this kind of content and not saying "wait a minute... that's not right". Then I noticed when the credits started rolling, Kip Thorne's name as an Executive Producer. He co-wrote the "bible" of General Relativity, Gravitation. So they obviously did their homework. So well, in fact, that they made a discovery while working on the movie.

I am also glad that they didn't dumb down the movie to appeal to an audience. I think people will see more and more as they watch it through the years.

At first, when I saw the bookshelf scene in the end, I thought WTF? And cringed that such a great movie would get so weird and hokey on us. But this is the kind of mind-**** scene that was at the end of 2001. Except unlike 2001, there is a bit of sense to it.

There's a short book called Flatland, about 2D creatures. All they see of their world is a line, which is the plane that they exist in. Then comes along a 3D creature and picks up the 2D creature. At first he has no idea what the heck he's looking at, then he realizes he's seeing his entire world - simultaneously. Not just the outsides of his friends and structures in his world, but the insides as well. The bookshelf scene is an attempt at showing higher dimensional things that we could never ever visualize. So some artistic license is tolerable. Time is now a physical direction which Cooper is able to move back and forth at will, as easily as left, right, up, down, fwd, back. Pretty heavy stuff for an American movie to take on, but they do.

Why at Cooper's bookshelf at that time? Because "They" who are actually our 5th-dimensional ancestors arranged it. They can easily see all times simultaneously along with 3D space.

And speaking of "They". So the movie's saying that our distant 5D ancestors opened up a worm hole in their past that prevented our species from going extinct and therefore allowed them to exist? I can see such things possibly being the outcome of the merging of General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. QM is weird stuff. And yes, it can affect things retroactively.

And what an appropriate reading as explorers go into the vastness of interstellar space to save a dying civilization:
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Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


There is so much packed into this movie. I am in awe.
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I'm just remembering how awesome the launch scene is, with the transition between him leaving the house and the emotions in that scene.
mid90
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Don't think it's been mentioned yet, but LOL at Cooper sending super complex quantum data via morse code


LOL good thing time was super whacked in the 5th-dimension-materialized-as-the-3rd-dimension or else humanity would have been dead by the time he finished tapping that watch.

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought of that.

However, if you noticed, Murph wrote the entire morse code on a notebook. How much information could have really have relayed?
Did she? I thought she just grabbed the watch, and then wrote everything down in her office?
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Don't think it's been mentioned yet, but LOL at Cooper sending super complex quantum data via morse code


LOL good thing time was super whacked in the 5th-dimension-materialized-as-the-3rd-dimension or else humanity would have been dead by the time he finished tapping that watch.

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought of that.

However, if you noticed, Murph wrote the entire morse code on a notebook. How much information could have really have relayed?
Did she? I thought she just grabbed the watch, and then wrote everything down in her office?

She was definitely transcribing it.
 
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