Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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Ask Mr. Incredible's boss.

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Former boss. Which is what happens when you throw the man through several walls.

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to be fair they did allude to his boss' memory being erased….so maybe he could get his job back?

But if his boss' memory was erased as was everyone else who saw him get thrown through the wall….does he really need to be fired at all?

Kind of a plot hole….

Probably posted before, but made me laugh.

#Vision will be the third part of a trilogy

It started with #WandaVision and continues with #AgathaAllAlong

(via @THR) pic.twitter.com/5uv0qqc4n1

— Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) August 23, 2024

That's an odd trilogy

I also saw that James Spader would be returning (voice of Ultron, of course).

They've denied it at every turn, but I'd love a Young Avengers team-up series at the end of all this. Maybe Ms. Marvel, Kate Bishop, Scarlet Witch and Vision's two kids, one of whom will surely appear in Agatha, Cassie Lang, maybe Ironheart.

Only problem is that's very female-dominant and that's a very fast way to turn off a lot of fans. Needs a Spider-Man or something (which would never happen on Disney+). I guess they could introduce Hulkling but A) he's not actually a Hulk, and B) his backstory is pretty convoluted, and the MCU hasn't done much with skrulls or kree tbh.

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Decay said:

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That's an odd trilogy

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all trilogies are odd, because there are 3 components.

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Thought this was a Claude! post.

A quick video from New Rockstars about how Captain America: Brave New World, Daredevil: Born Again, and Thunderbolts* are all potentially connected, seeing they're releasing back-to-back-to-back and within three months of each other. This is of course nothing more than educated, well-informed speculation, but even if it all pans out I wouldn't consider any of it to be major spoilers, as it's just surface-level setup and broad, connective tissue talk. That said, don't watch if you want to remain completely clueless.

All I know is this is the kind of stuff that's finally starting to make the MCU feel fun again…

Could be a suit only, could be a suit + CGI enhancements/facial expressions, or this could simply be a reference dummy for lighting, etc. Either way, I love the look...

Wait... are we getting a comics-accurate practical-FX version of The Thing?!?!?!? https://t.co/VxyT3dSntv

— DrewMcWeeny (@DrewMcWeeny) August 28, 2024

WAIT IT’S A SUIT?? The level of care in this movie is insane, they’re really going all out pic.twitter.com/KQplyklFb2

— Jack (-_•) (@captaincupkicks) August 28, 2024

I have to think that is reference but still the look is great

I'm sweating my ****ing balls off here chef!

Saxsoon said:

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I'm sweating my ****ing balls off here chef!

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well, as the Thing is Jewish, he is circumcised, so that will help with the sweating a tiny tiny bit.

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I have to think that is reference but still the look is great

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has to be reference, and limited at that, because if it was going to be for full-body replacement mo-cap, you would assume there would be the dots/shapes suit on someone so that movement could be captured.

Destin Daniel Cretton (‘Shang-Chi’) is set to direct ‘SPIDER-MAN 4’

Filming is eyeing to begin in early 2025.

(Source: https://t.co/U673GmRYyM) pic.twitter.com/4n1sVEUptm

— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) September 9, 2024

Man. I am of two minds on this.

1) Shang-Chi's gross should not be held against it. If anything, I think it speaks to how big a commercial (and critical) success it was, since September 2021 was still the dregs of COVID. It was also before they'd figured out that "theater exclusive for 45 days" was bad, IIRC. It was #1 in the box office for 4 consecutive weeks, according to wikipedia.

2) That said, I've always felt like Shang-Chi was a weird choice for the MCU, or rather a character in a weird spot. In the comics he barely has any connections to other characters. I've seen him pair with Black Widow, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and once with Spider-Man. Only one of those is in movies right now. He certainly doesn't have a rogues gallery to call his own.

Other than having a decent origin story (which we've now seen), there isn't much. He's Iron Fist without the powers, cool costume, relationships and mythology. They basically gave him powers and Iron Fist's mythology (mystical cities, dragons). He still has no natural relationships to lean into (unlike, say, Iron Fist with Luke Cage or Daredevil with Punisher or Spider-Man).

Also, we still don't know - and there are no strong comic book theories - what his post-credits was alluding to. Presumably it may have tied into Kang. But they had him walk through a portal to meet 2 Avengers because there wasn't a more natural way for him to meet anyone.

So if Shang-Chi 2 never happens... then I guess that's ok. Maybe they're admitting that not everyone needs a trilogy (Ant-Man sure didn't, as he's never held a sustained solo comic run) and they didn't have any real plans for the character. But it's bizarre that they haven't tried to give him a cameo or anything. He's well-received enough to where people actually want to see him, and haven't, and 3 years later it's gotten a little weird.

So both Chris Miller and Daniel Pemberton, the composer, have come out today and denied the scrapped details.

Is Sony trying to create an artificial reason to delay the movie to 2027? Or is this a sign of more strife between Lord & Miller and Sony?

Jeff (who reported the story above) said he's going to clarify some things later today. Will post here when he does. That said, same as Jeff, and for the same reason, I would be shocked if Beyond Spider-Verse hits theaters next year, and seeing as Sony isn't going to release two Spider-man movies in the same year (especially considering Spider-Man 4 will likely drop in July, smack dab in the middle of the year), 2026 seems out of the question as well, which leaves only 2027. Sure, either scenario could potentially happen, but barring a pretty big surprise, neither 2025 or 2026 is likely at the moment, regardless of the current status of the movie.

Speak of the devil...

MORE on SPIDER-MAN: BEYOND THE SPIDER-VERSE from your friendly neighborhood speculator...https://t.co/cWxK11bU3I pic.twitter.com/hk77Qw4uVV

— Jeff Sneider (@TheInSneider) September 10, 2024

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More on Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse From Your Friendly Neighborhood Speculator

On Monday night, I reported that it could be a while before we see the next animatedSpider-Verse movie - 2027, according to my source.

I didn't hear a peep out of Sony last night, but I woke up this morning to Spider-Verse composer Daniel Pemberton calling out my story for being "not particularly accurate," which gave the internet permission to call me a liar and a fraud - especially rich coming from grifters posing as aggregators.
Pemberton did not respond to a request for comment.

As I noted last night, my Spider-Verse story was a classic example of "Shake the Tree" journalism, in which you know you don't have the full story, but you also know there's a story there worth telling.

As an independent reporter, I can wait for the trades to report the full story, or do my best to tell you parts of the story the parts that typically get filtered out of those "full stories" from the trades.

Following the publication of my story and Pemberton's subsequent denial, an individual reached out offering insight into what I might've heard and why I might've heard it, so here goes nothing…

I'm told that, initially, Across the Spider-Verse and Beyond the Spider-Verse were never intended to be two films. As of February 2021, The Spot was intended to be the villain of one film, while a planned third film was in early development.

My source said that once Sony decided to split The Spot movie into two parts - Across and Beyond - the studio would've put all the shots/scenes/assets it needed for Beyondon hold to focus its resources on finishing Across.
I'm told that what was "scrapped," then, were big chunks of the Beyond script, lots of storyboards, and some visual development art as well - but not finished animation.

And that's the thing… I never said that Beyond the Spider-Verse was "finished." Readers just assumed that.

They assumed I was saying that the movie had been fully animated and that most of the finished movie had been scrapped, but what I was actually saying was that a lot of the development of the movie had been scrapped and retooled.

The script changed. The art changed. And so on and so forth.

Producer Chris Miller, for his part, wrote on Twitter that "Nothing has been scrapped. The reels are coming along nicely."

But really, this is a question of semantics. I used the word "scrapped," and maybe I should've used the word "changed," but regardless, a lot of unfinished stuff was thrown out, and the idea that Lord and Miller had a clear vision for Sony's follow-up to Into the Spider-Verse and executed that plan to perfection simply isn't true. And I'm pretty sure everyone who works on these movies knows that.

I'm not even sure what the big deal is. This is simply how movies are made these days. They're fluid. You don't see me melting down about release dates, do you? Date changes are just par for the course… and I didn't see Miller address that part of my story. How convenient!

The thing is, I'm told that the March 2024 date that was originally announced for Beyond the Spider-Verse was "total BS" and never realistic.

"These films are INCREDIBLY hard to make, with both the technical breakthroughs and [high] expectations to meet after the first one," said an individual who has worked on the Spider-Verse movies.

Even before Sony announced that Beyond wouldn't make its March 2024 date, "I knew Beyond was going to be closer to a 2026/2027 release date because of how long it takes for these particular films to get made. Lots of chefs in that kitchen," said the source.

So now, I ask you… what exactly did Pemberton deny? Did he deny the possible move to 2027? No, he did not. Did he deny that big chunks of the script and the storyboards tied to those chunks were "scrapped," as I've been told? No, he did not. He issued a vaguely-worded blanket denial without any specifics that the internet used as a license to impugn my character and integrity.

You can go on living in a make-believe world where the creatives behind your favorite movies had a very clear vision and executed it to perfection, or… you can take my word for it that Hollywood's most brilliant minds make plenty of expensive mistakes that the studio pays people a lot of money to distract the public from so that they can go on believing in this industry's illusion of perfection.

Making movies is hard. Making these awesome, incredibly detailed Spider-Verse movies is even harder. But let's not pretend that there isn't any drama behind the scenes, or that decisions aren't second-guessed, or any of that ***** Let me disabuse you of that notion right now.

**** gets messy in Hollywood. Don't shoot the messenger for trying to report on that mess by claiming that your kitchen is spic-and-span. It's not. And if it was, then the third Spider-Verse movie that was originally dated for March 2024 would be ready next year. But it won't be.

Forget about the actual release date, find me one person on the planet who says that Beyond the Spider-Verse will be finished next year. You can't, because it won't be. And it won't be finished because there were creative changes behind the scenes, not because of the double strike.

If Daniel Pemberton would like to argue otherwise, I'm more than happy to have a conversation with him, either on or off the record and the same offer goes for Phil Lord and Chris Miller, too.

But let's not pretend that all is hunky dory behind the scenes of this franchise, or behind the scenes of Lord and Miller's relationship with Sony, because thanks to Vulture and Puck, you don't need me or Pemberton to tell you that isn't true…

And finally, an insider reached out regarding the Shang-Chi aspect of last night's report, saying, "Your suspicions about Shang-Chi [2] are correct. There isn't a script, much less even an outline."

Again, I understand why studios make these announcements - really, I do - but actions speak louder than words in Hollywood. Marvel can talk about Shang-Chi 2 until they're blue in the face, but until we see signs that they're serious about making it, well, don't be so sure that they ever will…

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Do you have a link? I was trying to find it unless it got nuked from orbit

Saxsoon said:

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Do you have a link? I was trying to find it unless it got nuked from orbit

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It was deleted after a few hours of people dumping on the guy.