She-Hulk would like a word.

She's supa smaht

I just watched a madame webb breakdown video that was longer than the actual movie and it was absolutely hilarious and that movie looks worse than I ever imagined. Dakota Johnson has zero range and less personality than brie Larson

Note that I believe that guy is a writer and generally gives critiques on a films writing but in this instance just trashes it for 2+ hours. Very similar style to critical drinker and definitely worth the watch imo.

Check out the Morbius timestamp.

Hilarious, not even Sony could explain what the hell his cameo actually meant or what the plan was.

They had no idea what they were doing.

**** im old.

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I'd be on board with this (he's also insanely good in The Gentlemen):

Giancarlo Esposito says that him playing Professor X and Denzel Washington playing Magneto ‘would be great’

(via @AmonWarmann) pic.twitter.com/MIo6T3kflo

— Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) March 11, 2024

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You'd probably have to change a pretty basic piece of the Magneto character (Holocaust survivor), but I could get on board with it. Though personally, I think Esposito would make a better Magneto.

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fig96 said:

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I'd be on board with this (he's also insanely good in The Gentlemen):

Giancarlo Esposito says that him playing Professor X and Denzel Washington playing Magneto ‘would be great’

(via @AmonWarmann) pic.twitter.com/MIo6T3kflo

— Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) March 11, 2024

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You'd probably have to change a pretty basic piece of the Magneto character (Holocaust survivor), but I could get on board with it. Though personally, I think Esposito would make a better Magneto.

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Yeah, he has this totally backwards. Esposito is way more Magneto and Denzel is way more X.

Seems like a big change to Magneto though. His origin story defines who he is. I guess they could roughly make Esposito some kind of gypsy during the holocaust, possibly.

MooreTrucker said:

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I'm sure they could work in some kind of slavery/civil rights riots angle....

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Maybe they could have Professor X be in the vein of MLK and Magneto have more of a Malcolm X philosophy?

MooreTrucker said:

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I'm sure they could work in some kind of slavery/civil rights riots angle....

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I'm not sure if this is meant to be tongue in cheek or you're very unfamiliar with the origin of the X-Men.

The Porkchop Express said:

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A fearsome, righteous Denzel as Magneto is what Marvel really needs right now. You can't keep having Magneto be a holocaust survivor in the movies unless you constantly set them in the past. Even if Magneto was 5 years old in 1944, he's be 85 in 2024.

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Not to mention that holocaust survivors had a very different relevance in the 60s/70s/80s than they do to most in modern society today. I'd have no issue with them updating the origins a bit, if the two of them are cast there's some obvious angles to stay very true to the X-Men allegory.

fig96 said:

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MooreTrucker said:

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I'm sure they could work in some kind of slavery/civil rights riots angle....

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I'm not sure if this is meant to be tongue in cheek or you're very unfamiliar with the origin of the X-Men.

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Definitely kidding. Hence the wink emoji

Ehhh… I like it much more when you don't know where mutants come from (or who among you could be one). If they're all caused by an accident or an experiment then they're victims of some villain, or lab rats. If it just happened to them by random chance then they're no different than you or I, or any minority group that society feared and hated at any point.

Even the Fox movies (and maybe recent comics) had it as the next step in human evolution. Which was interesting I suppose. But no explanation is maybe the scariest and most relatable thing. "I was just born this way."

For an X-Men movie to really work, it's either all about Magneto/Charles or it's about everyone else. I love Patrick Stewart but they totally minimized him in all 3 original movies. McAvoy's Prof in First Class was wonderful, using his powers when necessary, then they lobotomized him in Days of Future Past (which I love overall).

The best superhero villains are always the ones who you can at least see their point - Thanos, Killmonger - or they are just lunatics who are ready to burn it all down - Ledger's Joker, Dano's Riddler.

Getting Denzel to be a villain would be fantastic because he's really likable. This is extreme apples to oranges, but when I watched Ozark it took me a while to realize that Bateman was a selfish a*hole because I really like Jason Bateman, although Wendy eventually became Satan incarnate.

The point being you can make a really great movie(s) regardless of origin story by having a great actor play the villain. Sir Ian and Fassbender were both great Magnetos because they weren't rampaging killers, they were educated guys who had enough of how much people in general suck and are prejudice and decided to do something about it.

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Honestly, I still kind of wish the new X-Men universe could be completely separate from the MCU. If I had my say, I would end the MCU in 2027, with Secret Wars, then start fresh from the ground up - across film and TV - with an all new X-Men universe/franchise, void of any MCU characters or any of that history. I'm just not one of these people who needs to see, say, Wolverine and Spider-Man interact. That, and after all the wild and crazy stuff we've been through in the MCU, I can't see anyone in that universe giving a sh*t that there are mutants now as well, in the ways the franchise needs mutants to be discriminated against.

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I agree with this. Imagine another amazing 20 movie arc just about mutants. Could be awesome. Maybe just do some fannservice small thing in the background or something, but there really needs to be an awesome mutant driven world like the mcu was for the characters we all know now.

I mean, there's Training Day...

fig96 said:

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I mean, there's Training Day...

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Yeah but much like Michael Chiklis as Vic in the Shield, you find yourself rooting for him A LOT despite him obviously being a criminal cop.

Sex Panther said:

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Kevin Feige: Denzel, we'd love for you to be Magneto... but he's an old Jewish guy

Denzel: ...

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Weird to see Denzel cosplaying as Richard Ayoade.

I'd take a page from the animated series. Seed newspaper headlines and news flashes throughout phase 6 of strange and concerning incidents - a child mauls a classmate, a man dies in police custody after catching fire, multiple people killed by toxic gas emitted from a woman at a store, etc. People are concerned, laws are being proposed, protests in the streets, folks feeling unsafe, paranoia rising. Cops open fire on a teen as he begins showing symptoms of a deadly mutation. Etc.

Then you could open the X-Men film with another example: a 12-year old is on trial (so to speak) while parents and teachers debate what to do about him. He just severely injured 3 bullies by boiling their skin with a touch; they are now in the ICU. The kid runs, a mob gives chase. Finally he is saved from a police confrontation when a group of masked heroes appear, rescue him and take him to a place where he can learn and grow in safety. I'm picturing the X-jet and teen / young-adult versions of Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Angel and Beast (the original comics team), but any lineup will do.

Heck, we know that Stark Industries was shut down by the govt in No Way Home so maybe the new ownership starts churning out sentries and sentinels to police against and combat the mutant threat. The people demand a response and scientists and politicians don't yet know what is happening. Etc.

Just a thought! We could see the arrival of mutants slowly, and understand why the paranoia is different than it is when a new hero like Ms Marvel arrives. They don't often have the luxury of secret identities and learning their powers. It occurs suddenly, explosively, and way too close to your child's school or daycare - and what are you going to do to keep them safe?

Edit: and when are our so-called "heroes" going to step up and protect us? Why is Captain America silent? When will the government wake up and start making them act on our behalf?

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Honestly, I still kind of wish the new X-Men universe could be completely separate from the MCU... That, and after all the wild and crazy stuff we've been through in the MCU, I can't see anyone in that universe giving a sh*t that there are mutants now as well, in the ways the franchise needs mutants to be discriminated against.

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This is what I have never understood about the X-Men being involved in the MCU or Marvel universe in general. The allegory of people being afraid of other people who are different obviously makes a ton of sense... but why would that even matter to people in this world?


"OMG that guy heals fast and that guy shoots lasers out of his eyes! ...quick someone call the guy who has spider powers... or the magic wizard... or the guy who shrinks and talks to ants... or the sentient robot with a space crystal in his forehead... or the god from outer space Norway... or the super-powered soldier that our government created and controls... that's someone we can trust"

This kind of parallels some of The Gifted series that ran a few years back (looks like it's on Disney+). Isolated incidents popping up in the news and mutants being pursued by Sentinel Services, then we see an incident first hand where an adolescent boy's powers manifest and he and his family go on the run.

It does seem odd that we'd have this mutant universe exist up till now with no mention of it or any noted incidents within the bigger MCU, though officially we have called out Kamala Khan as someone with mutated DNA. One way around that could be that we've had sporadic events, not enough to really be on the radar but enough to create some of our key characters that have been on their own isolated adventures. Then there's some sort of mutagen incident where people are exposed to a substance that triggers widespread mutations, Xavier reveals himself and hey, maybe we need a school.

I'm curious how much of this Deadpool addresses as well or if it'll stay pretty multiverse isolated.

I think the spin could be that these things are uncontrolled events, not someone showing up who's obviously a good guy trying to help.

Someone coming in to save the day is very different then random kid blowing up a locker room because he can't control what he does.