AliasMan02 said:

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AgMarauder04 said:

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I am going off of Feige's comments way back when.
I haven't heard him clarify since rhen. Is it making everyone who is choosing to pile on feel better? It's a comment he said, I'm eagerly awaiting the end product, and if I mistook his comments, I'll gladly admit it and apologize. Good Lord, how many more ways can I say it?

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This is just looking for reasons to be preemptively upset, regardless of his comment. The Russo Bros didn't save the OG Avengers from the snap for them to be sidelined.

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What exactly do you intend to accomplish with this line of criticism?

AgMarauder04 said:

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PatAg said:

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AgMarauder04 said:

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Living Legend said:

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AgMarauder04 said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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In the movies, the strongest Avenger is Thor. Captain Marvel is said to be stronger, so I guess we'll see. In the comics, yea it depends on the writer. The power levels of these characters go up and down. From what I've read, Hulk is probably the strongest, but all these characters have gotten their asses kicked at some point in time.

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Feige randomly decided she was the strongest. I don't want to assume some progressive agenda, but he never really gave a legit reason

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Captain Marvel is one of the strongest characters in the comics so it's not far fetched for her to be the strongest in the MCU

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Is she? I wouldn't know. Its a comic movie, not that important to me. The choice seemed odd, but if it has some canon background, ok then.

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why did it seem odd?

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The idea of bringing in some new hero to be the most powerful and save them all. That's all. Glad there's some legitimacy to it in the sense that Disney has shown to not be shy about being progressive for progressive's sake.

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yea, the only thing I was initially concerned about was having her just come in and save everyone, but I havent seen Marvel be that lazy with storytelling yet. So if she is just another one that is really strong, its not that big a deal to me.

Countering ridiculous and baseless doomsaying.

AliasMan02 said:

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Countering ridiculous and baseless doomsaying.

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Well, congratulations on winning an "argument" with an anonymous internet poster. A significant accomplishment you can add to your resume.

If Captain Marvel saves the day and defeats Thanos, that will piss off a lot of fans, and I think Feige is smarter than that. I think his comment about her being the most powerful was about her potential of what she could be moving into the next phase of the MCU. With the exception of Hulk, all these characters have gotten more powerful since their introduction into the universe, and I think that will be the same for Captain Marvel. In the next phase, she may be the biggest badass in the MCU, but right now, that's Thor.

AgMarauder04 said:

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AliasMan02 said:

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Countering ridiculous and baseless doomsaying.

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Well, congratulations on winning an "argument" with an anonymous internet poster. A significant accomplishment you can add to your resume.

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Think that would go under skills?

Bruce Almighty said:

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If Captain Marvel saves the day and defeats Thanos, that will piss off a lot of fans, and I think Feige is smarter than that. I think his comment about her being the most powerful was about her potential of what she could be moving into the next phase of the MCU. With the exception of Hulk, all these characters have gotten more powerful since their introduction into the universe, and I think that will be the same for Captain Marvel. In the next phase, she may be the biggest badass in the MCU, but right now, that's Thor.

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After watching the MCU evolve, you're probably right...and she's a noble hero being set up, more than likely, to lead a new generation of heroes. I think Feige and the Russos know they have a fine line to walk.

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AgMarauder04 said:

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AliasMan02 said:

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Countering ridiculous and baseless doomsaying.

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Well, congratulations on winning an "argument" with an anonymous internet poster. A significant accomplishment you can add to your resume.

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Think that would go under skills?

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I dunno, "accomplishments?" "Earned 500 internet points for winning anonymous argument on message board site"

It occurred to me, unless I missed something, that in the "Quantum Suit" scene, Tony looks to be wearing a regular suit as opposed to the Iron Man-looking suit that Rhodey is wearing.

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It occurred to me, unless I missed something, that in the "Quantum Suit" scene, Tony looks to be wearing a regular suit as opposed to the Iron Man-looking suit that Rhodey is wearing.

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i noticed that the other day, and then remembered that he had a nano suit, so perhaps he has it somewhere on him?

Rhodey doesn't have the nano technology built into his suit. It's entirely possible Tony's suit would just form around the quantum suit or something similar. Also Rhodey's suit helps with his whole paralyzed deal so it's a bit more of a requirement for him to be involved.

That makes sense (both of you)

it could also be a trailer fakeout. maybe they don't want to show off Tony's suit upgrade.

Remember, IW trailer had Hulk in wakanda, and Thanos battling Capt America with only the space and power stone. Ragnorak Trailers had Thor with both eyes near the end of the movie. Spiderman homecoming had a scene with spidey swinging thru NYC with Iron Man.

When would he have time to upgrade the suit again?

Well he made the first one with spare scrap metal in a cave. Maybe there are lots of useful yet nonessential parts in a drifting space ship?

There really is no indication of how much time passes from end of IW to end of Endgame. It's not out of the realm of possibility for it to be a new suit.

Or he's got them back at the Avengers compound.

By the time he shows back up, formulating a plan, and putting it into action, he'll have plenty of time to make another.

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When would he have time to upgrade the suit again?

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prototype? His Avengers 1 suit that caught him falling off the building was a prototype.

We also don't know how much time has elapsed. Maybe Banner built something just in case. I assume it has at least been months, maybe a year. Widow's hair is long and turning back to red. the first trailer had a shot of what appeared to be a support group, with a framed poster on the wall that says "Where do we go, now that they're gone?" That points to people coming to acceptance with the snap and trying to get on with their lives.

The shot with Scott Lang looking surprised at the "missing" posters on the telephone pole.....I think he was stuck in the quantum realm for a long time. He just didn't pop right back out. After the initial chaos of the snap, people began printing posters and putting them up. The first trailer showed banner looking at a screen of Scott that said "Missing." Hence the shock of him showing up at the gate later. A lot of time has passed, so they assumed that he was snapped as well.

just had a crazy thought. If Thor still had Mjolnir, would it be possible to pin thanos' hand flat to the ground, preventing him from closing his fist, or snapping?

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There really is no indication of how much time passes from end of IW to end of Endgame. It's not out of the realm of possibility for it to be a new suit.

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Given Natasha's hair length, I'm going to guess that there will be some quick time skips in the beginning part of the movie covering several months. Tony can put something together in quick order I'm sure, but it's not clear when he gets back to Earth before they set off again in the newer suits. The suits could also be a cooperative between Lang and Tony, which would also speed that along as well.

Quick thought re: power levels. I don't think it's so much that they've arbitrarily made Captain Marvel strong, but that she's at comic-accurate levels while some of the other characters have been adjusted. Obviously, this depends on the film and the era of the comics being compared, but I'd say...

Close to comics power levels:
- Captain Marvel
- Captain America
- Iron Man
- Thor (with Stormbreaker)
- Vision (he's strong, but he'll arbitrarily be knocked out of a fight pretty often)

Underpowered compared to the comics:
- Scarlet Witch
- Hulk
- Thor (with Mjolnir), just slightly
- Drax
- Mantis
- Iron Fist (should have been badass)
- Quicksilver

Overpowered compared to the comics:
- Black Panther? (I don't think his suit is as powerful as it has been in the films so far)
- Wolverine (I know it's not MCU but that dude had some absurd escalation over his 17 years of cinema. X-Men 1 he gets knocked out pretty quickly, The Wolverine he takes a sword through the chest without flinching)

I haven't read enough with Falcon, Doctor Strange, Winter Soldier, etc. to compare.


So like I said, I don't think it's so much that they're adding an "I win" button to the cast, but rather that they're adding an accurate, cosmic-level hero to the mix. It also sounds better to say "strongest yet" as opposed to "pretty strong, about as strong as Thor but maybe not as durable."

I would add Daredevil to the underpowered list. His radar sense is much stronger in the comics and his agility is at the level of Spiderman.

How do you think they will handle the power levels of the new Fantastic Four characters and X-Men characters coming int MCU?

Agreed! I said it a few pages back, but I'd love for Wolverine to be part of the team instead of "Wolverine and friends vs. Magneto." Also, a comics-faithful (or ideally, cartoon-faithful) version of Beast. The Nicholas Hoult version is so spare.

As far as the Fantastic Four's power levels... that's a real good question. I'm hoping we get a Thing/Hulk showdown someday. Thing should be tough as hell, though nowhere near as ferocious as the Ruffalo Hulk has been so far.

I think Spidey is also worth bringing into this conversation. He seems a bit underpowered so far, but we could also chalk that up to him being a rookie Spider-Man at this point.

wow



I saw 94 with his "geek" glasses.

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I'd much rather they be in line with how they were depicted in Claremont and Miller's limited series and early X-Men issues rather than what's been seen lately.

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Agreed. I don't read comics nearly as much as I once did, but the ending of Old Man Logan is probably the silliest example I've actually read.