In regards to the mutant perception vs other powered individuals...

Didn't the end of the Avengers have a cut up of regulars giving their opinions on the powered? Some thought they were heroes, some thought they were threats. I don't see why introducing mutants into the equation would change anything.

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Part of the city is the hall of the dead.

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So I think the letter thing is a stretch, but I just remembered that one of Black Panther's abilities is that he shares the knowledge of all the other Black Panthers who proceeded him. I never thought about that in connection with the Soul Stone.

All I know is that if Marvel gets X-Men back, I want a Santa Claus story line in there

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Santa_Claus_(Earth-616)

In the comics (and X-movie universe) I think it's always been about the literal mutation aspect of things. If your next door neighbor, by virtue of his genes, lineage, etc. is "different" then that's where the prejudice emerges.

If a group of four astronauts is showered in cosmic rays and comes back with powers but their first exposure to the public is saving New York City, as I think happened in FF #1, that's a whole different story. And they became celebrities because regular folks didn't view them as "monsters" because it was by a freak accident that it happened. And they didn't try to hide from public exposure.

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In the comics (and X-movie universe) I think it's always been about the literal mutation aspect of things. If your next door neighbor, by virtue of his genes, lineage, etc. is "different" then that's where the prejudice emerges.

If a group of four astronauts is showered in cosmic rays and comes back with powers but their first exposure to the public is saving New York City, as I think happened in FF #1, that's a whole different story. And they became celebrities because regular folks didn't view them as "monsters" because it was by a freak accident that it happened. And they didn't try to hide from public exposure.

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I was basically going to chime in with this as well. Plus there is the aspect of non-powered humans being wiped out as mutants multiply. Think homo sapiens wiping out the Neanderthals. That is a distinct possibility with the mutant population that doesn't exist with people that get their powers through an accident.

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dave94 said:

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In the comics (and X-movie universe) I think it's always been about the literal mutation aspect of things. If your next door neighbor, by virtue of his genes, lineage, etc. is "different" then that's where the prejudice emerges.

If a group of four astronauts is showered in cosmic rays and comes back with powers but their first exposure to the public is saving New York City, as I think happened in FF #1, that's a whole different story. And they became celebrities because regular folks didn't view them as "monsters" because it was by a freak accident that it happened. And they didn't try to hide from public exposure.

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I was basically going to chime in with this as well. Plus there is the aspect of non-powered humans being wiped out as mutants multiply. Think homo sapiens wiping out the Neanderthals. That is a distinct possibility with the mutant population that doesn't exist with people that get their powers through an accident.

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This. Plus there have been events (including one that sparks Civil War) where a mutant is unable to control their powers and end up killing thousands of people.

Speedball wasn't a mutant

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All I know is that if Marvel gets X-Men back, I want a Santa Claus story line in there

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Santa_Claus_(Earth-616)

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The X-Men paragraph at this link is insane. What an acid trip.

YouBet said:

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wangus12 said:

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All I know is that if Marvel gets X-Men back, I want a Santa Claus story line in there

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Santa_Claus_(Earth-616)

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The X-Men paragraph at this link is insane. What an acid trip.

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It's stuff like that that lets you know for certain that these publishers have no respect for their customers. It all reeks of "Whatever, those idiots will buy anything.."

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Another year, demoralized by mankind's lack of faith and belief, Santa sold his entire franchise to the terrorists of Hydra. Around the same time, Howard the Duck had been drafted by his partner, Beverly Switzler, to act as a mall Santa (a.k.a. Santa's helper) at the Mondo Mega Mall after the regular helper had been injured in an escalator accident. One of Santa's elves recruited a number of other Santa's helpers - including Howard the Duck, Vito Claus, Bubba Clause, Santa Clara, Claus Tse-Tung, Sanity Claus and Willy Lumpkin Claus - to prevent Hydra from ruining Christmas. Ultimately Howard and the recently orphaned Dionysus Finster, who had latched onto Howard as the mall Santa and accompanied him to the North Pole, convinced Santa to renege on his deal with Hydra, and the various Santa's helpers joined forces with Santa and the elves to drive off the Commando Corps of Hydra Accountants.

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Looks like we finally get to see Miles Morales as Spider-Man.

Oh, and are we finally getting a Sony Spider-Man movie that may be good?

How does Spiderman get his shoes to stick to walls? For that matter, what about the material of his suit?

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How does Spiderman get his shoes to stick to walls? For that matter, what about the material of his suit?

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Sciency stuff. You wouldn't understand.

redline248 said:

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How does Spiderman get his shoes to stick to walls? For that matter, what about the material of his suit?

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Cause they're Jordans, duh.

jabberwalkie09 said:

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Not sure where to put this, but this thread seems like as good a place as any since apparently Jessica Jones returns March 8th.

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We'll see how good this is without Tennant as an amazing villain

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Not sure where to put this, but this thread seems like as good a place as any since apparently Jessica Jones returns March 8th.

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We'll see how good this is without Tennant as an amazing villain

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I'm about as skeptical as can be. Without him, I think this probably drifts into Luke Cage/Iron Fist territory.

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Not sure where to put this, but this thread seems like as good a place as any since apparently Jessica Jones returns March 8th.

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We'll see how good this is without Tennant as an amazing villain

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he's in season 2. there's photos of him on set. It's possible that it's just flashbacks, or a figment of her imagination.

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PatAg said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Not sure where to put this, but this thread seems like as good a place as any since apparently Jessica Jones returns March 8th.

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We'll see how good this is without Tennant as an amazing villain

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I'm about as skeptical as can be. Without him, I think this probably drifts into Luke Cage/Iron Fist territory.

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Dude, nothing's as bad as Iron Fist. I'd rewatch Luke Cage over Iron Fist any day, and I hated Luke Cage.

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Looks like we finally get to see Miles Morales as Spider-Man.

Oh, and are we finally getting a Sony Spider-Man movie that may be good?

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Written by Phil Lord, produced by he and Chris Miller, directed by several guys with extensive animation experience. I've got high hopes.

Disney DOES NOT get back the PRODUCTION rights to the Fantastic Four with the Fox purchase.

They just get the DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS.

https://screenrant.com/disney-fox-fantastic-4-rights-constantin/

News to me.

Unlike the aforementioned licensing contract between Middle-Earth Enterprises and New Line Cinema, Constantin Films is an actual production company that produces their films alongside their studio partners. Although Constantin Films' agreement with 20th Century Fox remains unclear at this stage, as the fine print of their arrangement has never been made public, there's always a chance they may be unwilling relinquish creative control of the franchise to Marvel Studios, should the Mouse House move forward with their acquisition of 20th Century Fox (and obtain the distribution rights to the Fantastic Four).

Contractually, Disney buying 20th Century Fox doesn't grant them the film rights to the Fantastic Four, but they could conniving enough to inhibit Constantin Films from making another movie without their say-so. If Disney controls distribution, Constantin would have no choice but to work with the Mouse House (and, by extension, Marvel Studios) on another Fantastic Four movie. Otherwise, they could make a movie without the ability or legal right to distribute it which would be pointless for the studio and, essentially, make the film another ashcan copy.

That would be a fascinating game of chicken. Iirc, if F4 isn't used in a film for X amount of time, doesn't it revert back to Disney anyway?

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That would be a fascinating game of chicken. Iirc, if F4 isn't used in a film for X amount of time, doesn't it revert back to Disney anyway?

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They own production rights, so they can make movies all day long to keep the rights, they just can't distribute them.

They did that in the 90s. They made a low rent version that was never released to keep the rights from reverting to marvel

Well damn. Marvel could really use the FF going forward. Even if it's just for the villains. The cosmic side would benefit from Annihilus, Galactus, or even things like Ustinov or Super Skrull. But perhaps the biggest get of all would be Doctor Doom, who has faced off against the Avengers and Iron Man on many occasions.

Edit: Silver Surfer too

of course the comic movie landscape has changed drastically since the 90s, and every FF movie has pretty much sucked. So you either have a stalemate where Disney refuses to distribute, and they refuse to give up creative control, or they see the light like Sony and realize that there is a metric sh*tton of money to be made if they play nice with the mouse.

Any chance this is similar to the rights to the Hulk, where Universal still holds the rights to make Hulk movies, so Marvel Studios can't make a Hulk movie, but can use him in their own films?

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Speaking of Runaways...

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Bringing this back up as I haven't seen any discussion, 5 episodes in (ep 6 came out last night) and it's a lot of fun.

Short non-spoiler summary: a group of teenagers who used to be close friends find out their parents are into some shady stuff. Hijinks ensue.

It's a nice balance of teen dramedy/adventure with the parents' issues and some superhero/mutant elements mixed in, really enjoying it so far. Definitely recommended, give it about 3 episodes to get the overall feel.

Just finished the Punisher. Man, great show.

So, who joins the MCU first? X-Men or Fantastic Four?

Hopefully the FF, to be honest. More separation from previous iterations, more cosmic, better villains overall... probably fits better than rushing a bunch of mutants and recasts and oh it's Magneto again.

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Hopefully the FF, to be honest. More separation from previous iterations, more cosmic, better villains overall... probably fits better than rushing a bunch of mutants and recasts and oh it's Magneto again.

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Safe bet, though I wouldn't be surprised to see a Wolverine tease or something similar in one of the upcoming films.

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rhutton125 said:

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Hopefully the FF, to be honest. More separation from previous iterations, more cosmic, better villains overall... probably fits better than rushing a bunch of mutants and recasts and oh it's Magneto again.

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Safe bet, though I wouldn't be surprised to see a Wolverine tease or something similar in one of the upcoming films.

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Wolverine needs to be in ASAP.

For sure. But hopefully more than 18 months after Logan. Even Hugh Jackman didn't make appearances that fast.

I'm hoping for a nice, controlled reboot. None of this FOX semi-reboot, no rushing in characters or putting Mystique everywhere because JLaw is popular, no timeline hopping where Beast is supposed to be in his 50s in Dark Phoenix but Nicholas Hoult still looks like he's a freshmen in college.

Agreed. We have no reason Marvel will not do it right. The nailed Spidey and I think they'll nail the XMen. Even though it was recently rebooted, there is no way to keep the events that happened in the same universe, especially with Dark Phoenix coming. I think all new cast and new stories. Maybe they go back in time to allow some mutants from the past, but ideally, you could not have any major events before present time.