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Agents of SHIELD has cast the new Director. And it's not someone already on the show.

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Does not really matter.

The movie universe and the TV universe really are not related in spite of a few verbal references here and there.
Best case for this would allow Coulson to appear in Infinity Wars and prove me wrong.

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There's plenty of crossover with the Cinematic and Netflix stuff. Having the stories more intertwined would diminish both products by alienating the much wider audience that just watches the movies.

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No. It is always a one way, self-referential thing.

Yeah a few cameos by C-listers on AoS does not make it an intertwined universe.

Nick Fury was on AoS.

And again, they are intertwined enough. What do you think they should do? Have an established AoS character like Daisy show up as a member of the Avengers? See above about alienating the wider audience.

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Nick Fury was on AoS.

And again, they are intertwined enough. What do you think they should do? Have an established AoS character like Daisy show up as a member of the Avengers? See above about alienating the wider audience.

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Simpler than that. Have them (AoS) be a small part of Infinity War, handling something, somewhere in New York. Same for the Defenders.

Does not have to be long. Just 3-5 minutes.

A big event like Thanos coming to Earth, using the Infinity gauntlet would warrant all hands on deck. Not just the A-listers.

Completely agree.

I'm all about interconnectivity too but I think a forced 30-second appearance would stand out really bad. The movies, while all connected in some ways, do stand on their own. You don't necessarily need to have seen Ant-Man, Hulk, the Thor movies, even the first Avengers, to enjoy Civil War. Age of Ultron and Winter Soldier were the most referenced but even that you can figure out by dialogue. But if Ross mentioned the Devil of Hell's Kitchen off-hand, it would be really forced. Really, really forced. Because he's not showing up in this movie and he wouldn't even have a reason to.

Forcing the AoS crew or Defenders into Infinity War assumes that Thanos comes directly to NYC (where the Defenders stay) and plops there for average agents to fire guns at. My assumption is that he'll be multiple places at once, or in space, or something like that. Besides, they'll need Earth's MIGHTIEST heroes. Black Widow and Hawkeye are kind of lucky to be included - this may be a fight for the Captain Marvels, Hulks, Thors and Visions of the world.

And one last point - including the Defenders in Infinity War would throw the shows out of whack going forward, tone-wise. "Remember that time we helped save the galaxy? That was cool. Meanwhile I can't pay rent, and someone just knocked me out with a 2x4 board!" They're local heroes with down to earth problems - it'd be hard to take them intergalactic (in a way) and then back down to earth. It would change the game.

Now, I'll be as cheesed as anyone if they somehow show up or get a reference, but as of right now, they're better off leaving the street-level heroes at street level, the international heroes as international heroes, and Agents of Shield on ABC.

Besides, IW already has enough to juggle: Iron Man, Pepper Potts, War Machine, Hulk, Black Widow, Thor, Jane Foster(?), Erik Selvig, Nick Fury, Loki, Hela, Valkyrie, six Infinity Stones, Nova Corps, Starlord, Gamora, Nebula, Drax, Rocket, Groot, Yondu, Mantis, Captain America, Winter Soldier, the Sokovia Accords, General Ross(?), Black Panther, Ant-Man, Wasp(?), Vision, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Falcon, Tony and Cap's friendship, Doctor Strange, Mordo(?), Captain Marvel and any additional villains Thanos brings with him.

Those probably won't all be there but I'd say 90% are included. Hard to add much more.

I agree about forcing everybody into scenes, but it wouldn't be too hard to make a veiled reference or acknowledgement to other people. The "Stephen Strange" reference in Winter Soldier wasn't forced, and probably went over a lot of heads, but it set the stage and continuity for PH3. Same with the reference to Spider-Man in Ant-Man's tag scene (can't remember the exact wording).

Having somebody reference the "stunt man vigilante" or the "so called devil" or "the girl who seems to jump on buildings" would be enough for most people. Same with AoS...a reference to powered people popping up everywhere would be plenty (and maybe Vision actually did that a little bit).

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I agree about forcing everybody into scenes, but it wouldn't be too hard to make a veiled reference or acknowledgement to other people. The "Stephen Strange" reference in Winter Soldier wasn't forced, and probably went over a lot of heads, but it set the stage and continuity for PH3. Same with the reference to Spider-Man in Ant-Man's tag scene (can't remember the exact wording).

Having somebody reference the "stunt man vigilante" or the "so called devil" or "the girl who seems to jump on buildings" would be enough for most people. Same with AoS...a reference to powered people popping up everywhere would be plenty (and maybe Vision actually did that a little bit).

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That's a good point, but Stephen Strange and especially Spider-Man are coming up in movies. Spider-Man was literally in the next movie. I've had the idea before where maybe Nick Fury shows the team that Coulson is in fact alive (and has valuable Intel against Thanos) as kind of a pick me up, but then you'd have to go back to 2013 and probably 5 seasons back in AoS to know how the hell that happened.

Girl that jumps up buildings would stick out like a sore thumb, especially if you expect that to be referenced or elaborated later, but you'd have to google it, and your answer would be "get Netflix." And that kind of defeats the purpose a bit.

Just my opinion though

My opinion on options of how to include AoS and Defenders:

1) AoS specific: in a similar opening scene as Cap2, Cap3 or Avengers2 where it's in an opening special operation action sequence. AoS could be the boots-on-the-ground/spooks painting the target with a laser for the "air-support" (the actual super heroes) or provide some other access to, or intel on, their target. You could also kill one or more of the agents this way and provide a true two-way feedback between the two. Perhaps they take out a Thanos henchman that AoS had been building up as a main-villain of the show, but in the movies serves as a scout for Thanos spying out Earth and preparing it for his and his army's transportation to Earth.

2) Defenders: There's an opportunity, especially at easter egg level, of crossover with Dr. Strange and Spidey given that they are in the same city. Would be cool to see the Nurse from the Netflix series appear (even as an unnamed person) with Strange, given both of their involvement with medicine.

3) Both: If Thanos takes over Earth, say at the end of, or towards the end of Avengers 3, the Defenders and AoS become part of a guerrilla warfare engaging Thanos' army (it's safe to assume that they actually would if that were the case). They could be a key part of a larger underground resistance with the likes of Ant-Man, Cap, Hawkeye, Black Widow, etc., or perhaps come to the aid and provide a one of the Supers with a safe haven while they tend to their wounds. With the agents you could show different locations' reaction to the invasion, and Defenders would focus it to NYC.

The more I think of it, the more I actually feel using them would be a successful way of showing us (the audience, and regular humans) the impact Thanos' invasion has on the little-guy. Similar to how Hawkeye was used in Avengers 2 to give normal humans an eye into what it's like hanging out and fighting with Supers.

If all these shows had one single writer then it could be possible. But it handcuffs the creative process with these tie-ins, especially if things film many months apart. The delayed payoff would cause a problem too - a full AoS season with a villain who gets away, but he dies in the first 10 minutes in theaters only? Instead of getting a good Daredevil story continuing the Hand, Elektra, Wilson Fisk, etc we're now discovering what it's like to be a hero in a post-IW world? And Rosario Dawson is too recognizable to just be an extra in a surgery scene (also, she's left the hospital). I think there's a reason the Netflix shows barely mention the rest of the MCU at all - they're meant to be something you can pick up and watch, even if you're a complete stranger to comic books or the rest of the franchise.

I agree that there should be more Easter eggs referencing the shows, and that if it were possible I'd love to see some of the legit Netflix heroes make the transition to film in some minor way. But it looks like a massive headache, and the IW writers already have a massive undertaking ahead of them. I'd rather them make Thanos the first amazing villain of the MCU than sacrifice time to show Daisy forwarding an email from Shield.

Or make it much more simple... Show SHIELD level fighting, have Coulson show up with his troops, get pointed into the fray, and let them do something.

The audience knows Coulson, that is enough to go on.

Same with the Defenders.

In the movies, is shield still defunct? I can't remember to what group Tony was "reporting" in civil war.

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The audience knows Coulson, that is enough to go on.

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The audience knows he's dead, not too many know how he is still alive.

Not only that, but the avengers think he's dead. If Coulson shows up alive, they're all going to wonder wtf is going on.

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Not only that, but the avengers think he's dead. If Coulson shows up alive, they're all going to wonder wtf is going on.

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Technically, all of SHIELD'S and HYDRA'S secrets were spilled on the internet in CA 2, technically coulson's revival could have leaked

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Not only that, but the avengers think he's dead. If Coulson shows up alive, they're all going to wonder wtf is going on.

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Technically, all of SHIELD'S and HYDRA'S secrets were spilled on the internet in CA 2, technically coulson's revival could have leaked

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For this reason I think it's best to treat the movies separate from the tv shows. Coulson and shield aren't coming back to the movies, imo.

Damnit. wrong thread again.

Any chance this is real? Robert Downey Jr. posted this on his Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/robertdowneyjr/photos/a.156205521214588.1073741828.154213784747095/579717428863393/?type=3&theater

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Any chance this is real? Robert Downey Jr. posted this on his Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/robertdowneyjr/photos/a.156205521214588.1073741828.154213784747095/579717428863393/?type=3&theater

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No, that was a fan made poster that was at the top of Reddit during comic con

Looks fantastic. Also, was wondering how and where Claire was going to show up given her exit from the hospital in Daredevil.

It's incredible how much good will Marvel has earned with fans. They are being faithful to comics while adapting it to fit today. I really don't see them making subpar content in the near future.

I just binged through Daredevil. Loved it!

Is Jessica Jones worth watching?

I think if you want to get into Luke Cage, you should watch Jessica Jones. He is introduced there.

I personally loved it, but I'm going to put it a below both seasons of Daredevil. I think there were moments in there that were better than Daredevil, but overall I enjoyed Daredevil more.

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I just binged through Daredevil. Loved it!

Is Jessica Jones worth watching?

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Absolutely! I think everyone agreed it was one or two episodes too long (one too many getaways by the bad guy). But its worth watching for the villian alone. And I think to appreciate what they're doing with this Marvel Netflix universe you really do need to watch it.

If Daredevil is a 10, Jessica Jones is an 8.

Both great, as others have said, but be prepared that they are TOTALLY different shows.

I'm officially hyped for this now.

Awesome - thanks!

Jessica Jones goes much more crime thriller than true superhero show, I can see people who aren't big superhero fans getting into it. Very good show either way and definitely worth the watch.