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was looking on IMDB, and just realized that Quicksilver was also "Kick Ass."

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He was also in Savages.

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And the other Quicksilver was his buddy in the movie Kick-Ass

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And he was married to Scarlet Witch in Godzilla.

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And he was married to Scarlet Witch in Godzilla.

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Holy crap. I was just watching this movie with my boys over the weekend and we noticed that she was the scarlet witch. We were joking that we bet she wished she had her powers in that movie. We never caught that her husband was Quicksilver.

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He married his sister!?!?!

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And I'm glad I didn't too.

Let's just saw Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch have a really weird history in the comics

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Any relation between Nova (the superhero who teams up with Spider-Man and others on occasion) and the planet Nova?

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the planet is actually Xandar, i couldn't remember when i wrote my post. Its where the Nova Corps is based. They are intergalactic police force. The character Nova has ties to Nova Corps

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Nova "has ties" to the Nova Corps in that he is literally a member of the Nova Corps.

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This isn't Star Wars after all...

Wanted to pose a question here instead of the other threads - it's not entirely AoU related, so I didn't want to put it in that thread, and I didn't want to put AoU spoilers in the Agents of Shield thread.

This article got me thinking about Agents of Shield and its place in the greater MCU. Basically what I'm wondering is... why does this show exist?

**Age of Ultron spoilers**

I'm thinking about this from the perspective of a movie-viewer. In my eyes, there is only one Shield - Nick Fury's Shield. It gathers the Avengers, has eyes and ears everywhere, is revealed to have been infiltrated by Hydra, is destroyed, and finally appears again as one helicarrier and a skeleton crew at the end of AoU to help the Avengers evacuate citizens.

I don't watch Agents of Shield, but I try and keep up with the overall plots via wikipedia. From what (little) I know, it sure seems like this show is kind of stuck in a weird place. From its onset, I didn't know anyone who saw Avengers and said "I want more Shield, but with characters I don't know." About two-thirds through the first season, Shield as an organization is blown up because of the events of the Winter Soldier.

Not only that, but after the Avengers defeat Baron von Strucker in AoU, someone comments that "this is the end of Hydra." So while the Agents of Shield season continues to fiddle around with Coulson's Shield and whatever the "real Shield" is, Age of Ultron wraps up everything Hydra in less than 10 minutes screen time.

And while someone may say that the show is introducing the Inhumans, I question the purpose of that, at least at this point in time. The Inhumans film is slated for a 2019 release - nearly 5 years after the beginning of season 2. 99% of the audience for the Inhumans will have either never seen Agents of Shield season 2, or will have forgotten the minor details in that span of time. And the movie will quickly remedy that, offering some type of backstory or exposition (if needed), requiring about 5 minutes of film time instead of 22 episodes of TV.

Obviously the Marvel movies are the bulk of the MCU. 13 episodes of Daredevil served a purpose as well - offering a venue for an established comic book hero to tell his story on the street-level. It also fits comfortably into the MCU in that it doesn't really have to adapt itself last-minute to whatever happens with the next big movie release.

So, again... what is the point of Agents of Shield? How does it fit? And at what point will the show end?

It serves the same purpose as the Star Wars Anthology films and novels do for that story. While not required to understand the larger story of the main movies, it serves to explore other areas of the MCU that there isn't enough time or broad enough appeal to explore in the movies.

I appreciate it for what it is: Marvel entertainment to tide me over between movies.

The point is just to tell a story of more characters in the Marvel universe, this time on the small screen. It ties in loosely but is really its own story, so that viewers don't feel like they have to watch the show to get the movies.

The show isn't adapted "last minute" to fit the movies. The collapse of shield in Cap 2 has been a huge story arc explored in much more detail in Agents of Shield.

It also keeps Marvel on the brain of everyone. Clever marketing, if nothing else.

Look at Agent Carter. Has very little bearing on the universe as a whole, but while AoS is down, and in between movies, it keeps the Marvel U on everyones' minds.

I suppose I should have seen that coming. In a pragmatic sense, the "purpose" of any of these shows is "to make money." But I don't necessarily mean it like that.

Given the article linked above, and Joss Whedon's comments recently, I find myself questioning the creative purpose of the show. It all just seems a little weird. For as Hyda-focused as the show can be, the Avengers claim to have finished off Hydra 15 minutes into the film. For as Shield-focused as the show (obviously) is, none of the characters got a phone call from Nick Fury to join him on the helicarrier.

I don't know... I don't know what I want to happen. I guess I'm just curious where it's going. Like I said above, setting up a movie that is now 4 years away seems a bit strange, as is representing a dead organization. The longer it runs parallel to the movies but remaining entirely on the sidelines, the more and more I question its purpose. Aside from money, which I suppose is the only real purpose for these things.

Aren't these basically equal to folks asking why every hero doesn't appear in every other hero's movies? Sometimes folks are busy. In the case of TV vs movies, the TV show writes itself around the movies. Let's see how this week's AoS wraps around AoU.

The one fit it has was provide the backstory on how the intel on the locaiton of the scepter was discovered.

They'd also chopped off enough of Hydra's other heads so that Strucker's death could collapse Hydra so significantly. Nonetheless, I'm sure Hydra will still live on. The other Hydra leader with Strucker got away right? And he was the main Hydra baddie in the show.

However, the movies are blazing their own path, and the show is treated more as having a chance, besides providing a different story in the same world, a chance to setup (i.e. AoU), and deal with the fall out of (i.e. Thor 2 and Cap 2), the movies. Of course, being a different medium, it can't be depended on for any important canonical knowledge pertinent to the films.

I would suspect the showrunner and writers likely know the (very) general plot-lines of the movies, and maybe more details on the coming year's films. They then need to get a greenlight from Feige (or more likely one of his subordinates) on any of their plotlines to make sure they aren't causing too many plot-holes or treading on water that they want to keep for the films.

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Not sure what it is you're searching for in regards to AoS.

After the events of CA:WS, AoS covered the Hydra reveal and the disbanding of SHIELD quite well and let us have a look at how these former SHIELD agents would react and what they'd do to try to bring SHIELD back to life. It was also shown that Coulson was working on the orders of Fury since Winter Soldier ended. Both Fury and Maria Hill have been on the show a few times. Last week's episode, Coulson provided the information on Loki's staff and Von Struecker's lab to Hill, thus setting up the beginning of AoU. They also went into this Theta protocol and Coulson building some bases (maybe one is the base we see at the end of AoU). We'll see how that all plays out in this week's episode. The team on AoS has different work to do than just be crew on the new helicarrier. I personally think the show ties in quite well with the movies. Now that Fury is back with that hellicarrier, this infighting between the 2 SHIELD groups will probably die now that the other group knows Fury is alive.

Cool, thanks for the info everyone.

I guess what I was wondering, and what you all have answered pretty well, is... how would you tell a MCU movie fan what this TV series is about? It was originally about Shield agents investigating various MCU villains or crimes or what have you. Then Winter Soldier hit and the show took a turn, fighting Hydra agents and so forth. Now there's a lot of Inhuman stuff and so on.

But if you all still like it, perhaps it isn't a total black sheep. Hopefully it can find a niche like Daredevil (if it hasn't already), operating within the world of Marvel but without being overly tied to the larger film storylines.

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Cool, thanks for the info everyone.

I guess what I was wondering, and what you all have answered pretty well, is... how would you tell a MCU movie fan what this TV series is about? It was originally about Shield agents investigating various MCU villains or crimes or what have you. Then Winter Soldier hit and the show took a turn, fighting Hydra agents and so forth. Now there's a lot of Inhuman stuff and so on.

But if you all still like it, perhaps it isn't a total black sheep. Hopefully it can find a niche like Daredevil (if it hasn't already), operating within the world of Marvel but without being overly tied to the larger film storylines.

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Honestly, AoS was pretty weak before the big reveal in Winter Soldier and has been a MUCH better show since. It really freed to writers from it being more of a procedural "baddie or weird happening of the week" type show that it started out as.

Next discussion question!

**Age of Ultron spoilers - I'll be listing that for a while until it's assumed that everyone has seen it**



I'm ALL for the new team at the end of AoU. Not only does it reflect the constantly-changing nature of teams in the comic universe, but it gives some clout and respect to two of the most legit sidekicks in Rhodey and Wilson. I like both of the actors and it's good to see them get a chance at a bigger role in this universe. Not entirely sure if they'll get that much time in the sun, with the Civil War threatening to change things up even further, but hopefully they will.

That said, I want to pose a question to you all: What does Falcon bring to the team that War Machine doesn't already? He can fly, but so can WM and Vision. He has guns and military knowledge, but so does WM. He's a soldier, but so is WM.

From a cynical viewpoint, he's just War Machine with less firepower and a lot less protection. Might need to upgrade the suit, or give him some kind of bit that sets him apart from Rhodes. He fit in well in Winter Soldier, but once you add a Stark suit to the mix, he gets outclassed really quickly.

Thoughts? Like I said, I like the actor and the character, so I want him to be more than a poor man's War Machine.

I think Wilson will be a hand to hand combat guy with some small arms mixed in, and the flight will be more about being able to get from point A to point B on the battlefield. Rhodey is a big guns/support type.

Another big question is whether Stark will build new suits for War Machine. I suspect they'll keep the military hardware angle rather than going with Iron Man style advanced weapons.

He fits in just as well, if not better, than Hawkeye and black widow.

Also, I like how rhodey went back to being war machine, and not iron patriot

Damn right - I needed War Machine to have more than 10 minutes at the end of Iron Man 2.

Good points about Widow and Hawkeye. I just hope he has enough gadgets to pull his weight. Maybe he'll have some more weapons to his disposal than the submachine guns he had in Winter Soldier. Some grenades, that kind of thing.

He's also pararescue, so maybe if he needs to treat civilians or get someone out of there, he's got that kind of training.

Cool

So in prep for Ultron I rewatched Iron Man 2 and 3 over the weekend. I've seen 2 a number of times but probably only seen 3 in it's entirety the one time in the theater. I took them in this time with a bit more of a critical eye after our recent Marvel rankings on this thread. Some thoughts.

- ScarJo in IM2...just wow.

- I still don't really get the hate for IM2. There's one or two kinda odd bits like Vanko's weird attachment to the bird and the pacing is a bit off, but as a whole it's just a fun movie. Rockwell is a great addition as Justin Hammer, my only major complaint is the party scene/fight just being too silly and out of place. The action sequences as a whole are outstanding and while Mickey Rourke's villain is a bit flat he's entertaining.

- IM3 is really growing on me. I'm admittedly a Shane Black fan so that doesn't hurt, but the whole film is really well put together. The Extremis stuff is certainly over the top at times, but I enjoyed Pearce's transformation into the dashing villain and it's fun to see Tony's creativity at work when he goes all MacGuyver on the Mandarin's hideout. It's a tighter film than I realized the first time around, and while there are extended periods where RDJ isn't in the suit I think Tony Stark is one of the few characters who's just as entertaining out of costume as in it.

Martin Freeman has joined Civil War.

Now, Disney just needs to find a role for Jude Law and the collection will be complete!

I was holding out hope that Freeman would be cast as Wong in the Doctor Strange movie.

Think Freeman will play some type of government figure? Politician?

Very interesting

Marvel has some casting.

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South African/Wakandan in some way?