*** MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE *** [Staff message on OP]

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M.C. Swag said:

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Yeah, you're probably right.

So who lives?

- Spider-man, obviously.
- The Guardians of the Galaxy (seeing as the third movie is coming in 2020.)
- Black Panther? (I think the first movie is going to be such a massive success that Marvel will absolutely want a sequel or two)
- Captain Marvel? (I just can't see them killing her two months after introducing her.)

To me, those are the only sure bets. Who else? Doctor Strange? Winter Soldier?

Actor-wise, I just can't see RDJ, Evans, or Hemsworth coming back for any more movies after Avengers 4, but who else likely dies with them?
Vision 100% is going to die.


Yep, necessary for Thanks to collect the mind gem.
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Cromagnum said:

M.C. Swag said:

TCTTS said:

Yeah, you're probably right.

So who lives?

- Spider-man, obviously.
- The Guardians of the Galaxy (seeing as the third movie is coming in 2020.)
- Black Panther? (I think the first movie is going to be such a massive success that Marvel will absolutely want a sequel or two)
- Captain Marvel? (I just can't see them killing her two months after introducing her.)

To me, those are the only sure bets. Who else? Doctor Strange? Winter Soldier?

Actor-wise, I just can't see RDJ, Evans, or Hemsworth coming back for any more movies after Avengers 4, but who else likely dies with them?
Vision 100% is going to die.


Yep, necessary for Thanks to collect the mind gem.
It could also cause Scarlet Witch to go bonkers (which happens in the comics, though not because of Vision's death) and cause a lot of havoc.
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Let's start a tally. Who lives to see the next phase / who dies at some point during Avengers 3 or 4? I'll update this post as more arguments come in...

LIKELY LIVES
- Spider-Man
- The Guardians
- Black Panther
- Captain Marvel

LIKELY DIES
- Iron Man
- Captain America
- Thor
- Vision

QUESTION MARKS
- Hulk
- Doctor Strange
- Ant-Man
- Scarlet Witch
- Hawkeye
- Falcon
- Loki
- Bucky Barnes
- Nick Fury
- Maria Hill
- Sharon Carter
- Pepper Pots

Anyone notable I'm forgetting?
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M.C. Swag
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TCTTS said:

QUESTION MARKS
- Hulk - Ruffalo is getting up in age. I'd guess he's done after Avengers 3/4.
- Doctor Strange - Think he stays on.
- Ant-Man - Hard to tell. I'd guess he'd be done after Avengers. His sequel comes out before right?
- Scarlet Witch - Vision going makes me think she also goes.
- Hawkeye - They already retired him once. Wouldn't be shocked to see them do it for real.
- Falcon - Lives
- Loki - Dies heroically
- Bucky Barnes - Lives
- Nick Fury - Lives?
- Maria Hill - who cares
- Sharon Carter - who cares
- Pepper Pots - who really cares lol


Agree with all of your lives/dies list so i just took a stab at the questions.
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Tony Stark is dying. Was just having this conversation with a friend yesterday.

He is convinced it'll be Cap, but IMO Iron Man is ready to go. Not only has he been in way too many of these movies now, but I doubt they want to continue paying RDJ tens of millions every few years.

He'll sacrifice himself at the end of Infinity War (a-la Avengers 1, except for real this time).
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All I'm reading that I'm gonna cry a lot.
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Not only has he been in way too many of these movies now, but I doubt they want to continue paying RDJ tens of millions every few years.
I agree he'll die, but in no way is Disney concerned with RDJ's paycheck. Marvel films are slowly supplanting every top box office record. Eventually we'll have to start qualifying those milestones as "#5 all time, non superhero movie"
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RDJ just said this week he wants to quit Iron Man before he becomes a laughing stock.

I want more Winter Soldier. Last time we saw him he was put away in cryogenics so unless they bring him back for the next few movies he would presumably be available for the next MCU wave.

Can Hulk even die? Doubt they kill him off.
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Do they have to die to no longer be a part of the Avengers?
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Can Hulk even die? Doubt they kill him off.
Bruce Banner can. And I'm fairly certain that Thanos with the gauntlet can kill anyone/anything.
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M.C. Swag said:

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Can Hulk even die? Doubt they kill him off.
Bruce Banner can. And I'm fairly certain that Thanos with the gauntlet can kill anyone/anything.
How does Bruce Banner die? He already tried shooting himself in the head.
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Bruce Almighty said:

M.C. Swag said:

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Can Hulk even die? Doubt they kill him off.
Bruce Banner can. And I'm fairly certain that Thanos with the gauntlet can kill anyone/anything.
How does Bruce Banner die? He already tried shooting himself in the head.
carbon monoxide while sleeping (keeps the other guy from getting mad)? i dunno
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Champ Bailey said:

Doesnt Bucky take over as Cap in the comics? I could see Tony retiring after beating Thanos, and Cap dying.
As mentioned, both Bucky and Sam Wilson have taken the shield at points. In the current comic universe Sam Wilson is Cap.
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Idk, that wasn't even the point i wanted to make. Thanos will be able to kill any of the avengers.
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YouBet said:

RDJ just said this week he wants to quit Iron Man before he becomes a laughing stock.
A super popular comedic action hero being reduces to a caricature?

Johnny Depp says hi.
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I can see both Stark & Rogers dying. Bucky or Sam will take up the shield (I think Rogers). So Captain America will live on. Maybe Tony doesn't die, but retires after seeing Rogers, Vision, and whoever else die. He just can't keep putting on the suit.

Obviously, those with movies coming out won't die so no Spidey, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Wasp, Cap Marvel, or GotG. The only Guardian I can see dying is Nebula.

I am not sure how they handle Widow, Thor, Hulk, Witch, & Hawkeye. They shouldn't all die, but Thor can survive and return to his world. Haweye can retire again. I think they want to hang on to Hulk. I am interested in how they truly pass on the torch.
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Bobcat06 said:

YouBet said:

RDJ just said this week he wants to quit Iron Man before he becomes a laughing stock.
A super popular comedic action hero being reduces to a caricature?

Johnny Depp says hi.

Is Jack Sparrow really his defining role? Is that the role you are talking about?
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swimmerbabe11 said:

Bobcat06 said:

YouBet said:

RDJ just said this week he wants to quit Iron Man before he becomes a laughing stock.
A super popular comedic action hero being reduces to a caricature?

Johnny Depp says hi.

Is Jack Sparrow really his defining role? Is that the role you are talking about?

It is for anyone under 30 I would guess.
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aggie1906 said:

I can see both Stark & Rogers dying. Bucky or Sam will take up the shield (I think Rogers). So Captain America will live on. Maybe Tony doesn't die, but retires after seeing Rogers, Vision, and whoever else die. He just can't keep putting on the suit.

Obviously, those with movies coming out won't die so no Spidey, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Wasp, Cap Marvel, or GotG. The only Guardian I can see dying is Nebula.

I am not sure how they handle Widow, Thor, Hulk, Witch, & Hawkeye. They shouldn't all die, but Thor can survive and return to his world. Haweye can retire again. I think they want to hang on to Hulk. I am interested in how they truly pass on the torch.


I think it's pretty easy to get rid of Thor: you have the connection with him and Dr. Strange trying to get rid of both Loki and him. Once they beat Thanos, Thor entrusts earth's protection to Strange.
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lol I think that comment applied to Johnny Depp in general. His prestige as an actor has been in serious decline since taking up the role of Jack Sparrow. He went from serious academy award contender to serial flop house cinema actor.
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M.C. Swag said:

lol I think that comment applied to Johnny Depp in general. His prestige as an actor has been in serious decline since taking up the role of Jack Sparrow. He went from serious academy award contender to serial flop house cinema actor.

I associate him more with Tim Burton movies than POTC I guess.
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Oh for sure, those are some of his best. I'm just saying if you look at his most recent filmography, it's littered with bombs. You can almost draw a straight line after the second pirates movie and see him punt on even trying to do anything other than cash grab.
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1) I think you all are drastically overestimating how many people will die in this. Not only is it based on comics where nobody ever truly dies, but this is also the universe of infinite fake-outs.

For example: Coulson died and went to TV, Bucky died but not really, Pepper fell to her death but not really, Nick Fury was killed but not really, Loki died but not really, Loki died again but not really, etc. etc.

The only real deaths so far have been Quicksilver and Yondu. Decrepit Peggy Carter doesn't count.

2) One death is dramatic. Two is heavy. But y'all are talking about 4-8 major fan- (and child-) favorites in a span of about 4 hours.

3) If you kill off a character, you risk losing out on some merchandise potential. Also, crossover potential going forward. Who has stories left to tell?

4) There are ways to write off a character besides killing them.

5) As long as the time stone is in play, any death can be reversed. I suppose what's that's nullified somehow, the option isn't there, but I'll say this: in the 90s Infinity Gauntlet comics, nearly EVERYONE dies, but by the end of the series, everyone is alive again.


Here's my vote:

Captain America - dramatic death, pass the shield to Bucky, who has a 9-picture deal and had great chemistry with Falcon in Civil War.
Iron Man - ride off into the sunset. Retire. Money whip him in 5 years for a cameo. End of a trailer, everyone loses their ****, that kind of thing.
Thor - maybe he succeeds Odin as king. He's getting a rebirth of sorts in Ragnarok so his popularity could be at an all-time high.
Black Widow - no way. There were two females in Civil War, out of 12 combatants. I'm actually quite certain she'll be getting her own movie in Phase 4. They want smaller, more personal stories, and Scarlet is still a star.
Hawkeye - maybe, but not much to be gained from it. He had a good brief appearance in Civil War so there's still fun potential there. Bring him out of retirement whenever. Also, Jeremy Renner has said they had some exciting ideas in mind for Hawkeye. Maybe that means dying, but maybe not.
Hulk - possible but he's such a fan favorite and he's great in small doses. A large chunk of the Ragnarok hype is coming from a little bit of Hulk. What is there to gained by killing him?
Scarlet Witch - again, barely any female heroes in this universe. Stories left to tell.
Vision - probably dead but hopefully not. After reading some comics he's become one of my favorites. Plus he gives Scarlet Witch someone to hang out with.
Falcon - keep him around for Bucky teamup at the very least
Nick Fury - sure. Why not? He's mostly outlived his usefulness and Samuel L's very big contract is up with these films.
War Machine - could die but he nearly died in Civil War so it might feel like a retread. He's not around that much anyway, sadly (for me)
Black Panther - not dying
Ant-Man and Wasp - not dying. They wouldn't establish the duo and then kill one of them 9 months later.
Doctor Strange - likely to get a sequel after Avengers 4 so not dying
Captain Marvel - not dying
Spider-Man - confirmed not dying
Guardians - probably nobody dies


My expectations: Cap dies in dramatic fashion, Bucky takes up the shield, Iron Man retires, Hulk lays low, Black Widow gets her own movie, Nick Fury dies, Hawkeye succeeds him as head of Shield, Vision gets rekt but maybe isn't dead for good.

2021 Avengers lineup can be pretty much anyone they feel like using, but you're not locked in with the same 6 like Age of Ultron.
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M.C. Swag said:

lol I think that comment applied to Johnny Depp in general. His prestige as an actor has been in serious decline since taking up the role of Jack Sparrow. He went from serious academy award contender to serial flop house cinema actor.
You realize he was nominated for his role as Jack Sparrow and was nominated for two more Oscars after he took the role?

Before Pirates = zero Oscar nominations
After Pirates = two Oscar nominations (not including for Pirates)

I'm not disputing his recent box office problems, just pointing out some facts.
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Very good post with some great points. Also included a couple characters I forgot.
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I meant Pirates 2, not the first. Curse of the black pear was a phenomenal casting choice and movie.
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Thanks! I waste a lot of time on this topic. Also that took me like 30 minutes so I better get back to work.
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He was great in Black Mass.
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rhutton125 said:

The only real deaths so far have been Quicksilver and Yondu.
You should put spoiler tags on that last part. I haven't seen GotG 2 yet. Not upset at you at all, it's my own fault for looking at this thread, but seeing as the movie is still in theaters, it may save someone else from a potential spoiler.
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My apologies - the thought had occurred to me but it feels like way longer since it's release. I'll edit!
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I don't think you'll get a passing of the shield when Cap goes. I think it will be left unresolved and we'll get another Russo Brothers Cap movie called something like The Legacy of Captain America with Falcon, Bucky, and Widow taking on some of Cap's unfinished business. Then the shield will pass.

I also think it's possible that somebody else already has the shield when Infinity War starts, with Cap leading his Secret Avengers from Wakanda as Nomad. Or Captain Marvel may be the spiritual successor to Cap, sans-shield.
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no worries, it's the risk one takes on an online forum and it clearly wasn't intentional.
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AliasMan02 said:

I don't think you'll get a passing of the shield when Cap goes. I think it will be left unresolved and we'll get another Russo Brothers Cap movie called something like The Legacy of Captain America with Falcon, Bucky, and Widow taking on some of Cap's unfinished business. Then the shield will pass.

I also think it's possible that somebody else already has the shield when Infinity War starts, with Cap leading his Secret Avengers from Wakanda as Nomad. Or Captain Marvel may be the spiritual successor to Cap, sans-shield.
That sounds fantastic.

The second part sounds plausible too.
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Someone explain to me why Bucky or Sam carrying the shield make them "Captain America?" I get that the shield is strong, but the serum is what makes Steve "Captain America."
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