Sounds pretty damn perfect.
What with the red lady sacrificing Shireen to raise Stannis and Jon wakes up.
What with the red lady sacrificing Shireen to raise Stannis and Jon wakes up.
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My theory is that Melisandre will raise Ygrette from the dead and take her and Jon's body to Mereen where they meet up with Daenerys. Melisandre will perform a ritual call, "The Orgy of Fire" which will cause Jon to rise.
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My theory is that Melisandre will raise Ygrette from the dead and take her and Jon's body to Mereen where they meet up with Daenerys. Melisandre will perform a ritual call, "The Orgy of Fire" which will cause Jon to rise.
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I hate cliff hangers, but if the end of this season shows Jon surviving or coming back to life after he gets stabbed.... I'm gonna be SO PISSED!
quote:I'm starting to worry that you got leaked scripts or something. You have some cool ideas.quote:quote:I'm not seeing Stannis deciding to sacrifice his daughter after hugging it out with her.
Lots to like in this episode
R+L= J references
Melisandre seducing
Sansa looking good
Dany looking good on balcony, but not having to deal with her for several scenes
Definitely some kind of setup for a Shireen sacrifice
My (completely unsubstantiated theory: Stannis is killed by Brienne during the siege of Winterfell at the same time Jon is killed by his brothers. Melisandra sacrifices Shireen in an attempt to "raise Azor Ahai." Stannis stays dead, and amid her distraught and confusion, Jon's eyes open.
quote:Maester Aemon's advice when his brother became King Aegon V (and his advice to Jon Snow when becoming Lord Commander) was that it takes a man to rule, not a boy -- "Kill the boy, and let the man be born."
Ep. 5 - Kill the Boy ? have no clue what this means... any indications from the previews?
quote:Seems even more that Jon is going to die next episode. Literally "kill the boy" and he is reborn a man?quote:Maester Aemon's advice when his brother became King Aegon V (and his advice to Jon Snow when becoming Lord Commander) was that it takes a man to rule, not a boy -- "Kill the boy, and let the man be born."
Ep. 5 - Kill the Boy ? have no clue what this means... any indications from the previews?
Had to double-check and make sure I was on the right thread, and not to be tarred and feathered by the TV-Only thread.
quote:I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Dany, Viserys and Rhaegar are more than half Targaryen and less than half Blackwood even if no other bloodlines were introduced.
Danerys' great-grandfather (Aegon V) married a Blackwood, meaning that his children (Dany's grandparents) were half-Blackwood. When they married and reproduced, THEIR children (Dany's parents) were also half-Blackwood.
So, Damerys herself is (genetically) half Blackwood and half Targaryen.
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In the season previews there were clips with Tormund (and maybe Jon, too) getting ready to defend against an attack. Has to be Hardhome. So Jon will be alive at that point. If he dies before the final episode, I'll be surprised.
quote:Both of these definitely show that Jon will not die soon. It makes much more sense for the NW to become fed up with his decisions over time (risking NW lives rescuing wildlings, settling them on the Gift, deciding to go south, etc.). I could definitely see it happening the last episode though. If it does happen, I too hope that it leaves it at that giving us the chance to learn his fate before the tv show tells us.
Didn't Stannis give the wildilings the Gift in exchange for their loyalty? Stannis made the Watch give him the Gift along with some of the abandoned castles on the Wall?
I don't know if the distinction matters much as either way it is part of the justification of the Watch turning on Jon.
quote:Would be pretty great.quote:quote:I'm not seeing Stannis deciding to sacrifice his daughter after hugging it out with her.
Lots to like in this episode
R+L= J references
Melisandre seducing
Sansa looking good
Dany looking good on balcony, but not having to deal with her for several scenes
Definitely some kind of setup for a Shireen sacrifice
My (completely unsubstantiated theory: Stannis is killed by Brienne during the siege of Winterfell at the same time Jon is killed by his brothers. Melisandra sacrifices Shireen in an attempt to "raise Azor Ahai." Stannis stays dead, and amid her distraught and confusion, Jon's eyes open.
quote:quote:I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Dany, Viserys and Rhaegar are more than half Targaryen and less than half Blackwood even if no other bloodlines were introduced.
Danerys' great-grandfather (Aegon V) married a Blackwood, meaning that his children (Dany's grandparents) were half-Blackwood. When they married and reproduced, THEIR children (Dany's parents) were also half-Blackwood.
So, Damerys herself is (genetically) half Blackwood and half Targaryen.
First of all you have to suspend knowledge of any previous Targaryen history if you assume Egg is full Targaryen.
Egg's kids (Jaehaerys II and Shaera) would be half Blackwood and half Targaryen. Jaehaerys II and Shaera had two kids from incest, Aerys II and Rhaella. They would both be 3/4 Targaryen and 1/4 Blackwood, and they mated as well.
Dany, Viserys and Rhaegar should be more like 7/8 Targaryen and 1/8 Blackwood each because the Blackwood genes would be diluted by repeated incest.
Still, that doesn't work out because we know various families intermarried with the Targaryens. I took a quick look at the Targaryen family tree. If I read correctly, Egg's mother (Dayne), grandmother (Penrose) and great-grandmother (Martell) were not Targaryens.
In summary, Dany has lots more Targaryen blood in her than just half (but I am not a geneticist, LOL).
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I know we all read this uber fantasy about dragons and zombies, but y'all some nerds.