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As to the future of star wars plots, I can't be the only one that actually wants Jedi movies, right? I am fully on board with some diversification of stories like Andor and Mando, but in general Star Wars is The Force. Even in the original, when there were 2 or 3 total people capable of using it, The Force was the idea behind the Rebellion. Total randos telling each other "may the Force be with you." The issue became the need, especially under Disney, to turn the Force into marvel like super powers.

Now, I'm not saying it has to be Jedi vs Sith, and I'm aware of how easy it is to fall in that trap. I'm just saying that I believe it's possible to make Jedi stories that are interesting and shouldn't be that hard.

Maybe the first jedi movie will give us something. If it is still on the table

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that whole theme and plot line has been played out, thrown to the ground, run over with a sandcrawler, resurrected, then run over with another larger sandcrawler.

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And the remnants sold by Jawas.

Very excited by the Kinberg news.

I think it will be as good as the Benioff/Weiss trilogy.

It may even be as great as the Rian Johnson trilogy.

But I doubt it will be as solid as Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron.

Ruin any shows lately?

He's good, check out the avant garde spy thriller "The 355"

I would love to see some new SW content too, but I just don't see how it will ever get funded. Look at every Marvel that doesn't have Cap America, Iron Man, or OG Black Panther in it, they make some money, but are considered flops. Same would happen with any of the Star Wars movies. Even if well done.

If you remove the Jedi, the force, the empire and the rebellion, what's the point of calling it a Star Wars movie?

I don't envy the job of rebooting this franchise, but things I'd like to see are:
- A galaxy where the Jedi and the force truly are forgotten, but a force-sensitive protagonist begins to rediscover it. With no tutors around, they have only their intuition, the whispers of ghosts, and whatever they can find in long-forgotten ruins to guide them.
- A true internal struggle with good vs evil. Who gets to decide what is good? Who gets to decide what is evil? If you do something evil to serve a greater good, is that ok? What is more important, the benefit of the many or the few? Show someone struggle with the slippery slope of rationalizing grasping for more power.
- Show me a galaxy in decline. The republic died. The empire died. The new republic died. Hyper space trade lanes have been lost. Folks aren't even sure how big the galaxy is anymore. Were all those stories about a galactic republic or empire even true? Nobody believes them. They see the ruins of space stations, Jedi temples, and star fleets they don't know how to build anymore and know they live in a galactic dark age.
- Resistance against a seemingly all-powerful force has always been key to Star Wars. That force doesn't need to be the empire or an empire reincarnation again, but it could be a warlord trying to force a new empire from their quadrant of a fractured galaxy.
- No tattoine.

If I sketched it over a 3 movie arc, it would roughly be:
1. Protagonist, sibling, and their motley crew join a resistance against an encroaching warlord. Protagonist and sibling begin to discover the force. Sibling is killed, and protagonist begins to tap into the dark side to survive a climactic confrontation.
2. protagonist and crew defeat that warlord, but protagonist falls to the dark side of the force in the process. They want to forge a galaxy of order so nobody loses a loved one like they lost their sibling, and they're willing to do anything to achieve it.
3. Motley crew must stop or redeem the protagonist before they can unleash some ancient power that will help them create the "order" they desire. Maybe they have a plan to corrupt the force in such a way that all living beings lose their touch with it and lose their abilities to feel emotions - joy, sadness, anger - making them sedate and bringing "peace." (Also sets up some cool callbacks as they interact with this force lifestream). Redemptive moment when that protagonist turns back from the dark side and zips themselves and whatever evil they were trying to unlock to the opposite end of the galaxy at light speed. This act also begins the process of reactivating lost hyperspace lanes and reconnecting the galaxy, setting up space for sequels or spin offs about rebuilding that galaxy and discovering what else has been happening out there. (Maybe light speed technology doesn't exist anymore until this final climactic moment for a huge payoff of seeing those stars stretch to infinite)

JCRiley09 said:

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I would love to see some new SW content too, but I just don't see how it will ever get funded. Look at every Marvel that doesn't have Cap America, Iron Man, or OG Black Panther in it, they make some money, but are considered flops. Same would happen with any of the Star Wars movies. Even if well done.

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Black Panther 2 and Dr. Strange 2 are both in the top 40 all time domestic. Strange made $952m worldwide and BP2, without the OG, made $853m worldwide and garnered the first acting Academy Award nomination for any of the Marvel films.

Not to mention that guy Spider-Man. Seems he's done OK for himself.

Does Deadpool count?

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Does Deadpool count?

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I would assume so since he's not Iron Man, Cap, or OG Black Panther.

I wasn't sure since only one of his movies was Disney. Of course, I guess it was also his biggest one.

Spiderman is a hugely popular character on his own because of comics and cartoons. This doesn't exist for Star Wars. Touche on Dr Strange and Deadpool (maybe guardians of the galaxy are worth mentioning), but those characters found their footing in a tsunami of super hero block busters. Star Wars doesn't have that right now

JCRiley09 said:

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Spiderman is a hugely popular character on his own because of comics and cartoons. This doesn't exist for Star Wars. Touche on Dr Strange and Deadpool (maybe guardians of the galaxy are worth mentioning), but those characters found their footing in a tsunami of super hero block busters. Star Wars doesn't have that right now

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STill no love for what Black Panther 2 did without its star?

I'm not trying to argue about Marvel. BP2 was good and obviously made a lot of money. My point is the peripheral stuff like Shang Chi which was a good movie, is seen as a flop because viewers want to see how it fits into the larger narrative. Just bringing in random stories in a galaxy far far away will be similar in my opinion. There is potential for good movies, but they are too risky now.

I don't mind some Jedi stories and I think for a big screen Star Wars it makes the most sense, but there's room for some different takes.

The Acolyte, while very flawed in many ways, had some cool ideas with a group of Jedi taking on a crazy powerful rogue dark side Force user and another group of Force users outside what they considered "correct".

There's so much room to explore this massive galaxy across different time periods with some really interesting characters. Give me a gunslinger Jedi modeled after Cobb Vanth and make it a bit of a Western or maybe we've got a Mandalorian that learned the ways of the Force. It doesn't have to be a Skywalker or anyone connected to that timeline.

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From Jeff's newsletter tonight, with a bonus Kathleen Kennedy mention that should put some smiles on some faces...

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Star Wars: What I'm Hearing About Simon Kinberg's Trilogy & What It May Mean for the Rest of the Franchise

To "Episode" or not to "Episode." That is the question…

On Thursday, with Hollywood starting to emerge from its collective post-election hangover, Disney and Lucasfilm dropped a bombshell - Simon Kinberg will write and produce a new Star Wars trilogy.

Deadline's Mike Fleming Jr. broke the news, writing that the new trilogy would be Episodes 10-12 of "The Skywalker Saga." Deadline's own insiders disputed the trade's intel, saying that the trilogy would launch a new saga.

THR's Borys Kit backed up those insiders, saying that Kinberg's trilogy won't be Episodes 10-12, and that it'll be a new story focused on new characters, representing a new path forward for the franchise and "not have it be a continuation." The clever reporter left himself an out, however, writing, "That doesn't mean that some characters could not or would not pop up."

So you've got Fleming in one corner and Borys in another, saying diametrically opposing things, more or less.

Based on what I'm hearing, I'm inclined to side with Deadline on this one, as I'm willing to bet that these three films will be positioned as Episodes X, XI, and XII.

When Borys writes that this trilogy will explore "a new story focused on new characters," what else were you expecting - Lucasfilm to tell the same story with the same characters?

Of course Kinberg's trilogy will feature a new story and a bunch of new characters - but Borys left himself that "out" for a reason.

The reason?

I suspect it's because I'm hearing that Daisy Ridley will come back for these new Star Wars movies, and her Rey "will be positioned as the Obi-Wan of the new trilogy."

What that means for Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy's movie is unclear. Many Star Wars skeptics assume the project dead, but it's my understanding that Lucasfilm recently hired a new writer to replace Steven Knight - I just haven't been able to ascertain their identity yet.

Would Lucasfilm have paid a new writer if it had no plans to make Obaid-Chinoy's movie, knowing full well by now that Kinberg would be writing a new trilogy? You'd think not, but honestly, who knows? There are a lot of big, fragile egos in play here.

Obaid-Chinoy's movie is rumored to find Ridley's Rey training a new generation of Jedi warriors, and if my source is accurate then it sounds like she'd serve a similar function in Kinberg's trilogy - Alec Guinness' Obi-Wan served as a mentor to Mark Hamill's Luke Skywalker before guiding him as a force ghost… I think - which makes me wonder if Obaid-Chinoy's movie will ultimately come to fruition.

The optics certainly wouldn't be good if Lucasfilm pulled the plug on Obaid-Chinoy's project at this point, but you also have to wonder how many movies we need with Ridley's Rey - an older version of whom is also rumored to be part of Shawn Levy's vision for his Star Wars movie.

Regardless of whether or not Obaid-Chinoy's movie ultimately gets made, it's being developed as a standalone spinoff of the Skywalker Saga, not one of the franchise's official "Episodes."

Yet it's the "Episodes" that audiences have flocked to see in theaters, and I imagine it's the "Episodes" to which Lucasfilm will eventually return.

Because in Hollywood, sooner is always better than later…

As far as the bigger picture goes, I think this is Lucasfilm's Kathleen Kennedy and Disney's Bob Iger making one last big Star Wars push before they exit their posts next year. And I know Kennedy hasn't formally said anything, but I fully expect her to step down once she has charted a course for the future of the franchise.

I don't know why they turned to Kinberg, whose track record is hit-and-miss, and who has also been tasked with resuscitating the moribund Star Trek franchise. Will the two sci-fi franchises share Kinberg as they once did J.J. Abrams, and will Kinberg make a play to direct the first film, just as George Lucas did before handing the reins of sequels The Empire Strikes Back and The Return of the Jedi to other filmmakers?

Personally, I doubt that Kinberg will wind up directing a Star Wars movie, but I do wonder if Lucasfilm will have trouble filling the gig, given the company's track record when it comes to this franchise, which some consider to be a bigger headache than it's worth.

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My current threshold for when I actually consider it a real project is once cameras start rolling. So for now, it's just Mando & Grogu.

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Teaser looked cool, but that has to be the dumbest name for a movie.

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Now, I'm not saying it has to be Jedi vs Sith, and I'm aware of how easy it is to fall in that trap. I'm just saying that I believe it's possible to make Jedi stories that are interesting and shouldn't be that hard.

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How about a founding of the jedi trilogy? Show us where they came from and the schism that led to the light and dark side.

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I mean, a Rogue Squadron movie would have killed, too

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I was very excited about this, but after seeing that it would be in the ST, I lost my excitement.
A tv show now that the Imperial revenant seems to be retconned as still be around would be great. I'd like to see the first season ending with the intial assault on Borlias.

The ending of the Bad Batch makes me think if we get Rogue Squadron we'll lose Wedge and get Omega in his role.

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- Show me a galaxy in decline. The republic died. The empire died. The new republic died. Hyper space trade lanes have been lost. Folks aren't even sure how big the galaxy is anymore. Were all those stories about a galactic republic or empire even true? Nobody believes them. They see the ruins of space stations, Jedi temples, and star fleets they don't know how to build anymore and know they live in a galactic dark age.

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I think this has a lot of potential.

It brings to mind a thought process I had as an 11-year-old watching Battlestar Galactica. That whole line of "what if life here (earth) started out there?" To my mind, that put BG in what would have been earth's distant past, pre-Biblical time frame. What would the survivors of that rag tag fleet have found if and when they finally arrived at earth? Disregard the horrible Galactica 1980 where they arrived during the height of WWII, as that show had not yet aired when I was having these thoughts.

To bring it back to your idea, this could lead to a long series of movies of discovery and rebuilding that galactic civilization. Of course, you have to bring in conflict, which probably morphs right back to Jedi/Sith type stuff.

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- Show me a galaxy in decline. The republic died. The empire died. The new republic died. Hyper space trade lanes have been lost. Folks aren't even sure how big the galaxy is anymore. Were all those stories about a galactic republic or empire even true? Nobody believes them. They see the ruins of space stations, Jedi temples, and star fleets they don't know how to build anymore and know they live in a galactic dark age.

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I think this has a lot of potential.

It brings to mind a thought process I had as an 11-year-old watching Battlestar Galactica. That whole line of "what if life here (earth) started out there?" To my mind, that put BG in what would have been earth's distant past, pre-Biblical time frame. What would the survivors of that rag tag fleet have found if and when they finally arrived at earth? Disregard the horrible Galactica 1980 where they arrived during the height of WWII, as that show had not yet aired when I was having these thoughts.

To bring it back to your idea, this could lead to a long series of movies of discovery and rebuilding that galactic civilization. Of course, you have to bring in conflict, which probably morphs right back to Jedi/Sith type stuff.

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I first read this as you currently having an 11 year old kid you were letting watch the 2004 BSG, which features Baltar and Number 6 dry humping at least once an episode.

So this Kinberg guy got both Star Wars and Star Trek to reboot? Is that even legal in sci-fi law?

Seems like he's crossing the streams and will result in implosion.