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I do wonder how a new Star Wars movie would fare that had zero connection to the nine main Skywalker movies. Say they didn't bring Daisy Ridley back for whatever reason and set it, I don't know, a hundred years after The Rise of Skywalker. But it was an attempt to revitalize the franchise with a new cast, a new, good-vs-bad story told in similar, epic fashion, the Force was obviously still a thing, etc. But next to no reference to past events, the Skywalkers, etc. Would anyone still care? Or is the franchise inexorably connected to the main, 60-ish-year time period for people to even remotely give a *****


I would argue it would do just fine because anyone that loves sci-fi would still go see it. And that's how I would look at it. A sci-fi that happens to be based in the Star Wars galaxy? Great! Sign me up. That's all I would need to know. Wouldn't care about it being tied to Skywalker timeline.
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AgBQ-00 said:

I still think a KoTOR series would kill it
This is the most infuriating thing about Star Wars.
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AgBQ-00 said:

I still think a KoTOR series would kill it
All done on Unreal Engine. I'd buy tickets to see this in the theater today.

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That would be great!!
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Time to let ChatGPT have a shot at the script.

A long time ago, but about 40 years more recent,

In a galaxy that may or may not be far, far away depending on overall universal expansion as well as the general movement and rotation of galaxies......
I saw this so gave it a shot. Here is the prompt I gave:
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Can you write a film treatment for me? I'm curious how a new Star Wars movie could look starring Daisy Ridley as Rey in the aftermath of what happens in Rise of Skywalker.

And here is the answer. Honestly, ChatGPT kind of nailed it because I could easily see this being the basic gist of the movie that will probably never get made:
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Absolutely, I'd be happy to help brainstorm! Here's a rough treatment for a Star Wars film featuring Rey, set a few years after The Rise of Skywalker.

Title: Star Wars: Echoes of the Force

Logline: After bringing peace to the galaxy, Rey discovers remnants of an ancient Sith power that threaten to rise once again. Haunted by visions of her past, she must forge new alliances and confront her deepest fears to ensure that the cycle of the Dark Side finally ends.

Setting: The story is set five years after The Rise of Skywalker. The galaxy has begun to heal under the leadership of Rey and her allies. Though the First Order is defeated, the galaxy is divided between those who still fear the Force and others who wish to explore its mysteries.

Act I:
Rey has taken on a new mission of peace and discovery. She's set up a small enclave on a remote planet called Taenaros, once rumored to be a Jedi sanctuary. Here, Rey has become a mentor to a handful of Force-sensitive youths from different species. However, Rey is troubled by recurring visionsflickers of voices and memories from Sith Lords of the past.

Meanwhile, whispers spread across the galaxy of dark power stirring. Former officers of the First Order, sensing a power vacuum, attempt to reunite under a new, elusive leader known only as "The Remnant." This figure is determined to rebuild Sith influence but in a new way, neither Jedi nor Sith. This movement of Shadow Acolytes grows rapidly, adopting Sith ideology but applying it with a subtler approach, winning over populations in struggling systems.

One of Rey's young apprentices, Aalia, a curious Twi'lek with untamed Force abilities, grows fascinated by the darkness in the galaxy. She senses it during meditations, hearing a voice calling her to unlock her true potential. Rey is both wary and protective, suspecting that her visions and Aalia's connection to this dark force might be tied.

Act II:
Rey and her apprentice embark on a journey to uncover the source of this disturbance, traveling to a hidden Sith stronghold rumored to lie in the Unknown Regions. Along the way, they're joined by Finn, now a key leader in the Resistance and dedicated to learning about the Force. Rey senses the old presence of Sith spirits but also an entirely new energya remnant of Palpatine's dark science. Here, Rey realizes that the Sith were experimenting with a technique to fracture the Force, leaving parts of it untethered to any light or dark side.

The journey takes a dramatic turn as Rey and her team encounter remnants of Palpatine's cloning experiments. These echoes of the Sith are imbued with Force energy, capable of sharing and manipulating memories across time and space. Rey realizes the voice calling Aalia is a fragmented soula dark specter, half-Palpatine, half-forgotten Sith masterwho embodies the violent struggle of the Sith to control destiny.

In a heart-pounding showdown, Rey confronts Aalia, who is possessed by the Sith fragment. As Rey fights to free her apprentice, she is forced to confront her identity, including her own brief moments of doubt and flirtations with the Dark Side. Her compassion and steadfastness prove crucial as she helps Aalia reclaim herself.

Act III:
Rey and Aalia, now more in tune with the Force, understand they must stop the Remnant before it spreads. Rey seeks out allies from old Jedi worlds and contacts former Resistance members. Finn, Poe, and a ragtag crew of pilots and fighters rally together once more, putting their trust in Rey's vision.

In a climactic battle, Rey and her allies face off against the Remnant, with the fight ultimately hinging on Rey's ability to inspire Aalia to lead others and believe in the Light. Rey realizes that the legacy of the Jedi isn't just about stopping evilit's about inspiring a new path for future Force users. With Aalia's help, Rey uses her knowledge of the Sith's fractured Force to dispel the dark fragments for good.

As peace returns to the galaxy, Rey leaves Taenaros in Aalia's hands. The last scene shows Rey traveling into the Unknown Regions alone, hinting at new realms beyond what the Jedi or Sith had ever known.

Themes:
This story is about identity, the resilience of light, and the complex history of the Jedi and Sith. Rey's character explores the idea of legacywhat it means to forge one's path and become a guide to those who will carry the Force forward.

Endnote:
The film's last moments suggest new worlds and powers, paving the way for more possibilities in the Force. As Rey journeys into the Unknown Regions, she seeks not just the history of the Jedi, but new understandings of the Force, closing one chapter and opening an infinite frontier.
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This, to me, is one of their more "impressive" feats - somehow making the series that got everyone stoked about Star Wars on the small screen so uninteresting that I barely care about the movie now.

It was must see TV for me and now it's kind of, ok I guess?
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MASAXET said:



And here is the answer. Honestly, ChatGPT kind of nailed it because I could easily see this being the basic gist of the movie that will probably never get made:
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Absolutely, I'd be happy to help brainstorm! Here's a rough treatment for a Star Wars film featuring Rey, set a few years after The Rise of Skywalker.

Title: Star Wars: Echoes of the Force

Logline: After bringing peace to the galaxy, Rey discovers remnants of an ancient Sith power that threaten to rise once again. Haunted by visions of her past, she must forge new alliances and confront her deepest fears to ensure that the cycle of the Dark Side finally ends.

Setting: The story is set five years after The Rise of Skywalker. The galaxy has begun to heal under the leadership of Rey and her allies. Though the First Order is defeated, the galaxy is divided between those who still fear the Force and others who wish to explore its mysteries.

Act I:
Rey has taken on a new mission of peace and discovery. She's set up a small enclave on a remote planet called Taenaros, once rumored to be a Jedi sanctuary. Here, Rey has become a mentor to a handful of Force-sensitive youths from different species. However, Rey is troubled by recurring visionsflickers of voices and memories from Sith Lords of the past.

Meanwhile, whispers spread across the galaxy of dark power stirring. Former officers of the First Order, sensing a power vacuum, attempt to reunite under a new, elusive leader known only as "The Remnant." This figure is determined to rebuild Sith influence but in a new way, neither Jedi nor Sith. This movement of Shadow Acolytes grows rapidly, adopting Sith ideology but applying it with a subtler approach, winning over populations in struggling systems.

One of Rey's young apprentices, Aalia, a curious Twi'lek with untamed Force abilities, grows fascinated by the darkness in the galaxy. She senses it during meditations, hearing a voice calling her to unlock her true potential. Rey is both wary and protective, suspecting that her visions and Aalia's connection to this dark force might be tied.

Act II:
Rey and her apprentice embark on a journey to uncover the source of this disturbance, traveling to a hidden Sith stronghold rumored to lie in the Unknown Regions. Along the way, they're joined by Finn, now a key leader in the Resistance and dedicated to learning about the Force. Rey senses the old presence of Sith spirits but also an entirely new energya remnant of Palpatine's dark science. Here, Rey realizes that the Sith were experimenting with a technique to fracture the Force, leaving parts of it untethered to any light or dark side.

The journey takes a dramatic turn as Rey and her team encounter remnants of Palpatine's cloning experiments. These echoes of the Sith are imbued with Force energy, capable of sharing and manipulating memories across time and space. Rey realizes the voice calling Aalia is a fragmented soula dark specter, half-Palpatine, half-forgotten Sith masterwho embodies the violent struggle of the Sith to control destiny.

In a heart-pounding showdown, Rey confronts Aalia, who is possessed by the Sith fragment. As Rey fights to free her apprentice, she is forced to confront her identity, including her own brief moments of doubt and flirtations with the Dark Side. Her compassion and steadfastness prove crucial as she helps Aalia reclaim herself.

Act III:
Rey and Aalia, now more in tune with the Force, understand they must stop the Remnant before it spreads. Rey seeks out allies from old Jedi worlds and contacts former Resistance members. Finn, Poe, and a ragtag crew of pilots and fighters rally together once more, putting their trust in Rey's vision.

In a climactic battle, Rey and her allies face off against the Remnant, with the fight ultimately hinging on Rey's ability to inspire Aalia to lead others and believe in the Light. Rey realizes that the legacy of the Jedi isn't just about stopping evilit's about inspiring a new path for future Force users. With Aalia's help, Rey uses her knowledge of the Sith's fractured Force to dispel the dark fragments for good.

As peace returns to the galaxy, Rey leaves Taenaros in Aalia's hands. The last scene shows Rey traveling into the Unknown Regions alone, hinting at new realms beyond what the Jedi or Sith had ever known.

Themes:
This story is about identity, the resilience of light, and the complex history of the Jedi and Sith. Rey's character explores the idea of legacywhat it means to forge one's path and become a guide to those who will carry the Force forward.

Endnote:
The film's last moments suggest new worlds and powers, paving the way for more possibilities in the Force. As Rey journeys into the Unknown Regions, she seeks not just the history of the Jedi, but new understandings of the Force, closing one chapter and opening an infinite frontier.

ChatGPT apparently has no problem straight ripping off large chunks of the plot of Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy and calling it original.

Jedi enclave on a remote planet



a mentor to a handful of Force-sensitive youths from different species


"The Remnant"
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Remnant

This movement of Shadow Acolytes



a curious Twi'lek with untamed Force abilities, grows fascinated by the darkness in the galaxy.



hidden Sith stronghold



the Sith were experimenting with a technique to fracture the Force

Reborn warriors are part of the army Dark Jedi Desann created to fight the Jedi and the New Republic forces. They were artificially inbued with the Force, as it was revealed in the experiments with Artusian crystals on Kejim.

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TCTTS said:


I could write this movie treatment in 3 days.

OPENING SHOT

"What a workout!" Rey exclaimed as she removed her Jedi robes and headed for the waterfall. Zori Bliss (Keri Russell) was waiting there with a bottle of Nubian Sweet Wine to help her relax. "Record this for me, will you BB-8?"

And so on.
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Fundamental the problem with a Rey movie are two fold:

1. Who are the villains?

2. Any story involving Rey building a Jedi Academy is going to be endlessly compared to Luke's EU building of a Jedi Academy. It seems really difficult to make a story of Rey being a teacher that is more interesting that what the fandom has built in its head regarding Luke's academy.

One thing I just thought about today, is what if they went radical and made Rey the villain. The first movie ends revealing that Rey has decided the best thing for the galaxy is to seal off the galaxy from the influence of the force.

In the first movie, we watch Rey get approached by all kinds to become the ultimately leader. By the New Republic by Sith Cultists by pirates, etc. people want to use her for her power.

B line of one of her students falling to the Dark Side.

As she ends the falling student, she sees all the cycles repeating itself and she decides to break the cycle by separating the galaxy from the Force.

Make her Thanos.
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I mean, isn't she a Palpatine?
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maroon barchetta said:

I mean, isn't she a Palpatine?


Exactly. That is why the Sith cultist try to recruit her. Ultimately, she comes to believe no one can be trusted with the power of the Force, because it always leads to corruption to some.
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The Thrawn / Force Witches plot is way more exciting than the Rey plot. That's what they should focus on.

After that, set one way in the past or way in the future where the enemies are immune to the Force like the Yuhzn Vong. Or a twist on that where the Jedi can only win by tapping into the Dark side.
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Rey is tainted with the absurd crap from the ST. They just need to move on for God's sake.
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we also do not need to see Tatooine.

ever again.
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Or any sand planet
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

Or any sand planet


I hate sand.
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nothing wrong with sand

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My son and I just finished Rebels this morning.

If you haven't watched it yet, you are doing yourself a disservice.
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The Porkchop Express said:

ChatGPT apparently has no problem straight ripping off large chunks of the plot of Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy and calling it original.





Makes total sense though when you think about how ChatGPT works. If you don't word the prompt correctly, you'll limit the generative context to a relatively small subset of relevant data. If that's what it's generating off of, there's not a lot of room for originality.
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vmiaptetr said:

My son and I just finished Rebels this morning.

If you haven't watched it yet, you are doing yourself a disservice.


Rebels was awesome!
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ABATTBQ11 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

ChatGPT apparently has no problem straight ripping off large chunks of the plot of Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy and calling it original.





Makes total sense though when you think about how ChatGPT works. If you don't word the prompt correctly, you'll limit the generative context to a relatively small subset of relevant data. If that's what it's generating off of, there's not a lot of room for originality.
And in any case it's not having an original thought, it's generating content based off what it takes from other material.

So no, it doesn't mind ripping off because that's what it does almost by definition.
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fig96 said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

ChatGPT apparently has no problem straight ripping off large chunks of the plot of Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy and calling it original.





Makes total sense though when you think about how ChatGPT works. If you don't word the prompt correctly, you'll limit the generative context to a relatively small subset of relevant data. If that's what it's generating off of, there's not a lot of room for originality.
And in any case it's not having an original thought, it's generating content based off what it takes from other material.

So no, it doesn't mind ripping off because that's what it does almost by definition.


Yes, I would be frightened if it had free thought and was able to dream up stuff out of thin air.

Would be time to go to war with Skynet.
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fig96 said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

ChatGPT apparently has no problem straight ripping off large chunks of the plot of Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy and calling it original.





Makes total sense though when you think about how ChatGPT works. If you don't word the prompt correctly, you'll limit the generative context to a relatively small subset of relevant data. If that's what it's generating off of, there's not a lot of room for originality.
And in any case it's not having an original thought, it's generating content based off what it takes from other material.

So no, it doesn't mind ripping off because that's what it does almost by definition.


Technically there's no original thought anywhere in the world. Everyone is influenced by what they've seen or read in their lives.
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Sure, great artists steal. AI just literally steals.
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fig96 said:

Sure, great artists steal. AI just literally steals.


That's not how it works...
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ABATTBQ11 said:

fig96 said:

Sure, great artists steal. AI just literally steals.


That's not how it works...
Gross oversimplification but I have zero desire to get into an AI debate on this thread.
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This a friend of ours that we've gotten to know over the last several years.

https://instagr.am/p/DBuchoYS-Iw
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fig96 said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

fig96 said:

Sure, great artists steal. AI just literally steals.


That's not how it works...
Gross oversimplification but I have zero desire to get into an AI debate on this thread.


Not a gross oversimplification. It's flat out wrong.
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wangus12 said:

This a friend of ours that we've gotten to know over the last several years.

https://instagr.am/p/DBuchoYS-Iw


That's awesome. Sounds like if Queen did Star Wars.
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Quote:

George Lucas cut a bombshell reveal from "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace": Liam Neeson was originally Obi-Wan Kenobi, and thus the real Obi-Wan died.

"For a time, the older Jedi was named Obi-Wan and the younger Jedi was named Qui-Gon. It was very poignant that at the end, as Obi-Wan dies and Qui-Gon defeats Darth Maul and stays with his Master as he passes away, he not only takes on his Master's quest but he takes on his name. Qui-Gon becomes Obi-Wan. That's why when you see Alec Guinness in 'A New Hope,' he puts his hood down and goes, 'Obi-Wan? Now that's a name I've not heard…' Because he's not Obi-Wan, he's Qui-Gon. And right at the end, George changed it."

Read more here: https://variety.com/2024/film/news/george-lucas-cut-obi-wan-death-twist-star-wars-phantom-menance-1236196431/
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That's kind of awesome.
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