I am not saying they feel safe. I am saying Solo and TFA and somewhat R1 feel similar. And that feeling to me is Star Wars.
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Have to disagree. Solo never really felt like Star Wars to me. Especially not a SW movie . Those should always be events, and I never got that feeling for Solo. And judging by the box office I wasn't alone in that. (I agree that the poor reception of TLJ didn't help, but if it had been a great movie with great word of mouth, it would've done much better.)
I will say that in retrospect it could've worked much better as a Disney+ series. It never felt big enough to justify a movie, but as a series like Boba Fett or Andor, it could've made a bigger splash.
Asks for continuation of story.YouBet said:
Yeah, but i don't really count the comic books although i realize they are canon. I do count the video games so I'm a hypocrite i guess.
Receives continuation of story
Doesn't count continuation of story.
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Every single character of any significance HAS to interact with Vader in comics. It's a rule.The Porkchop Express said:Asks for continuation of story.YouBet said:
Yeah, but i don't really count the comic books although i realize they are canon. I do count the video games so I'm a hypocrite i guess.
Receives continuation of story
Doesn't count continuation of story.
Solo has grown on me more and more over the years where now I like it more than anything out of the sequel trilogydouble aught said:No it wasn't. Your statement is objectively false however.Quote:
Solo was objectively bad on its own
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jokershady said:Solo has grown on me more and more over the years where now I like it more than anything out of the sequel trilogydouble aught said:No it wasn't. Your statement is objectively false however.Quote:
Solo was objectively bad on its own
There are definitely story choices that are just outright awful, but I think it's a good move in spite of them.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
You guys know I'm never one for the declaration of a movie being "objectively" bad or good.
Solo is technically well made, with solid actors and a decent plot.
My issue with that movie is never justified its own existence to me. We didn't really learn anything new that shed further light on that character, much less enough to justify recasting one of the most iconic characters of all time.
Aside from the fact that the movie feels very cookie-cutter, safe, and made by committee. It's somewhat of the same feeling you get from TFA, but more so here.
It's just not one I find myself ever itching to rewatch, as huge a SW as I am.
I don't understand people being so against recasting characters. If the original actors are too old, and you have a good story to tell, recast them.
Definitely better to just write an original story, but obviously that's not super likely anytime soon
That's exactly my point though. WAS the story really good enough to justify making that movie?
I feel like they just wanted to make a Han movie and worked their way backwards from there, rather than having a good story idea. Sadly I feel this is what the underlying problem was with the Obi-Wan series. Kinda felt like they knew the ending they wanted and just worked their way backwards from there to reverse engineer a serviceable story.
I feel like they just wanted to make a Han movie and worked their way backwards from there, rather than having a good story idea. Sadly I feel this is what the underlying problem was with the Obi-Wan series. Kinda felt like they knew the ending they wanted and just worked their way backwards from there to reverse engineer a serviceable story.
Star Wars could use more low stakes movies like Solo that are just 2 hours of fun and fighting. The villains were a bit boring, and Maul really confused anyone who didn't watch the cartoons - which is apparently everyone, but it had good laughs, good space battles, and I love the train robbery, particularly the fight between Woody and Enfys Nest.
Rogue One is a far superior film in terms of the way it's created, but its story is just as low stakes. We know they're going to successfully get the plans to the Death Star and upload them. I would have loved a Solo sequel with Lando, Fett, Jabba, and his whole menagerie. It's a real shame they didn't find a way to bring it into some sort of life. Even a Qi'ra reunion where Han guns her down to become the hard-ass he is at the beginning of SW would have been great.
Rogue One is a far superior film in terms of the way it's created, but its story is just as low stakes. We know they're going to successfully get the plans to the Death Star and upload them. I would have loved a Solo sequel with Lando, Fett, Jabba, and his whole menagerie. It's a real shame they didn't find a way to bring it into some sort of life. Even a Qi'ra reunion where Han guns her down to become the hard-ass he is at the beginning of SW would have been great.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
That's exactly my point though. WAS the story really good enough to justify making that movie?
I feel like they just wanted to make a Han movie and worked their way backwards from there, rather than having a good story idea. Sadly I feel this is what the underlying problem was with the Obi-Wan series. Kinda felt like they knew the ending they wanted and just worked their way backwards from there to reverse engineer a serviceable story.
It was an incredibly fun, incredibly well-paced movie. That's what justified its existence. No movie has to justify its existence beyond simply being effective at entertaining its audience. And yes, personally, I found Solo to be *very* good. I didn't give a sh*t how Han and Chewie got together, nor how they got the Millennium Flacon, nor what made Han so jaded and distrusting, but the movie made all of those things fun and interesting and poignant, especially toward the end with how Beckett betrayed him, in exactly the way he did. The screenplay is soooo well-done, moves, moves, moves, has some nice fake-outs, and pays off everything it sets up, in expert fashion. We hardly ever need backstory-filler movies, but I'll take them when they're made with as much joy and heart as Solo, and I'll take it over the prequels (in terms of needlessly filling in backstory) all day long.
I liked the return of Maul on the big screen and was hoping we'd see more and explore some Crimson Dawn.The Porkch said:
Maul really confused anyone who didn't watch the cartoons - which is apparently everyone,
But his threatening Qi'ra with a lightsaber over skype call was pretty laughable. Nowhere close to Vader force choking Ozzel.
He should have then regaled her with the tale of the time he killed Qui-Gon Jinn and brought up a holo-recording so she could watch it while he did play by play.BenTheGoodAg said:I liked the return of Maul on the big screen and was hoping we'd see more and explore some Crimson Dawn.The Porkch said:
Maul really confused anyone who didn't watch the cartoons - which is apparently everyone,
But his threatening Qi'ra with a lightsaber over skype call was pretty laughable. Nowhere close to Vader force choking Ozzel.
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BenTheGoodAg said:I liked the return of Maul on the big screen and was hoping we'd see more and explore some Crimson Dawn.The Porkch said:
Maul really confused anyone who didn't watch the cartoons - which is apparently everyone,
But his threatening Qi'ra with a lightsaber over skype call was pretty laughable. Nowhere close to Vader force choking Ozzel.
His first problem was using Skype. He's probably the first entity in both made up universes and real life that's ever actually used that product and wasn't aware there wasn't a force projection feature.
Knowing the outcome =/= low stakes. That would make every prequel ever made low stakes, and that's just not true.
Gonna challenge you a bit here, but just for the sake of discussion.
Why is it that Solo can just be a fun adventure, but Mandalorian does the same and you criticize it for not being more dark, serious, and in tone with Andor?
Why is it that Solo can just be a fun adventure, but Mandalorian does the same and you criticize it for not being more dark, serious, and in tone with Andor?
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Gonna challenge you a bit here, but just for the sake of discussion.
Why is it that Solo can just be a fun adventure, but Mandalorian does the same and you criticize it for not being more dark, serious, and in tone with Andor?
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I don't at all care that Mando isn't as "dark" or "serious" as Andor. I care that it's not as good (or just good, period). I'm clearly all for a fun tone, I just want the writing/storytelling to be better. Solo is fun *and* the writing/storytelling are both top notch. Mando is fun, but the writing/storytelling leave a lot to be desired (in my opinion). That's the difference. I want Star Wars to have all kinds of varying tones, what I don't want is for it to have is all kinds of varying quality.
TCTTS said:
I don't at all care that Mando isn't as "dark" or "serious" as Andor. I care that it's not as good (or just good, period). I'm clearly all for a fun tone, I just want the writing/storytelling to be better. Solo is fun *and* the writing/storytelling are both top notch. Mando is fun, but the writing/storytelling leave a lot to be desired (in my opinion). That's the difference. I want Star Wars to have all kinds of varying tones, what I don't want is for it to have is all kinds of varying quality.
Bingo.
Agreed- i though r1 had the highest stakes of any sw movie. For the protagonists, main antagonist, and the galaxy. And they all died.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Knowing the outcome =/= low stakes. That would make every prequel ever made low stakes, and that's just not true.
Quality discussion on a 1200 page thread.
TCTTS said:
I don't at all care that Mando isn't as "dark" or "serious" as Andor. I care that it's not as good (or just good, period). I'm clearly all for a fun tone, I just want the writing/storytelling to be better. Solo is fun *and* the writing/storytelling are both top notch. Mando is fun, but the writing/storytelling leave a lot to be desired (in my opinion). That's the difference. I want Star Wars to have all kinds of varying tones, what I don't want is for it to have is all kinds of varying quality.
I guess Marvel is the only peer at this point due to sheer output but the standard deviation in quality with Star Wars is LARGE. Some of it is absolute trash regardless of genre and then other shows are fantastic regardless of genre.
Guess that's why Feige and Takita (or whatever his name is) have been brought into Star Wars?
Feige is no longer involved, as his project has been shelved. Check the story I posted above/yesterday.
TCTTS said:
Feige is no longer involved, as his project has been shelved. Check the story I posted above/yesterday.
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So many Star Wars movies have been announced and cancelled that I've hit the "I'll believe it when I see a trailer" phase of excitement for any of it.
Thanks and gig'em
Same. I'm sure Celebration will roll around and they'll announce a bunch of things only to cancel them in 10-18 months
I think Eisner back in charge will end the waffling post haste.
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The Porkchop Express said:
I think Eisner back in charge will end the waffling post haste.
Agree; that whole company needs a leader. Don't know Iger's modus operandi but the Star Wars branch of Disney needs some serious vision and direction.
(Good point below)
Just FYI, it's Bob IGER who's back. Eisner was prior to Iger.
One thing I noticed while watching that clip is the Star Wars clip they used. That was the original 1977 release of the movie, without the Episode IV A New Hope subtitle. I didn't realize that version of the movie was available anywhere (other than in my movie room, where I have it on a laser disc box set of the original releases of all of the OT).
So, Hondo is at the top of everyone's wish list for a live action appearance, right?
Any fancasting for who should play him?
Any fancasting for who should play him?
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