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My current ranking:

ESB
ANH
Solo, R1
RotS, RotJ, TFA
AotC, TPM
TLJ
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TCTTS said:

Huh? I just went back and looked and Render hadn't posted in five days. You didn't directly reply to him, and a whole entire other conversation had taken place in between. How on earth was I or anyone else supposed to connect those dots? It absolutely appeared as if you were commenting on the conversation at hand, and given that assumption, I was merely defending my position. It absolutely looked as if you were griping at those of "mad" at the prequels. Apologies for assuming so and "swinging" into a conversation I was already a part of.
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Episode IV said:

My current ranking:

ESB
ANH
Solo, R1
RotS, RotJ, TFA
AotC, TPM
TLJ
Mine
ANH (I have to take it over ESB because I love Alec G's Obi-Wan so much)
ESB
ROTJ
TFA
R1
TLJ
Solo
ROTS
TPM
AOTC
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(Subject to change on each viewing):

ESB
ANH
ROTS
TPM
ROTJ
TFA, R1 (TFA has better characters and music, R1 has better plot and action. Can't put one over the other.)
TLJ
AOTC
Solo
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ESB
ANH
R1
ROTJ
Solo
TFA
TLJ
ROTS
The stupid cartoon movie
AOTC
TPM
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My rankings ...

TESB
SW
R1
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ROTS
ROTJ
Solo
TFA
TPM
AOTC
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TLJ
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

My rankings ...

TESB
SW
R1
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ROTS
ROTJ
Solo
TFA
TPM
AOTC
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TLJ
Great minds....great minds.
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MuckRaker96 said:

Episode IV said:

My current ranking:

ESB
ANH
Solo, R1
RotS, RotJ, TFA
AotC, TPM
TLJ
Mine
ANH (I have to take it over ESB because I love Alec G's Obi-Wan so much)
ESB
ROTJ
TFA
R1
TLJ
Solo
ROTS
TPM
AOTC
Nicely done.
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All these lists are invalid without the Christmas Special in it.
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Hagen95 said:

All these lists are invalid without the Christmas Special in it.


The mandalorian footage had a lot of throwbacks (most notable is his rifle) to the holiday special. So maybe it is going to be made canon.
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Hagen95 said:

All these lists are invalid without the Christmas Special in it.
Let's not forget the Ewok movies while we're at it.

Updated:

ESB
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ANH
R1
ROTJ
Solo
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TFA
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TLJ
ROTS
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The stupid cartoon movie
AOTC
The Holiday Special
Ewoks: Caravan of Courage
Ewoks: Battle for Endor
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TPM
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Hagen95 said:

All these lists are invalid without the Christmas Special in it.
new rankings:

1978 Star Wars Christmas Special
The Last Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Ewoks: The Battle for Endor (1985)
Clone Wars Animated Movie
The Force Awakens
Solo
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Rogue One
Empire Strikes Back
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Can't freaking believe you have Last Jedi over Phantom Menace. Rose is a great character, okay? I mean, I get it. But freaking Jar Jar takes that movie clearly over the top. No question. Get outta hear with anything else.
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The Disney theme park is now canon
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redline248 said:

The Disney theme park is now canon


How about stuff that happens while at the park?



on a side note, why are they referring to it as Marvel's Star Wars and not Disney's Star Wars?
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ESB
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R1
SOLO
ROTJ
TFA
ROTS
TLJ
PM
AOTC
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redline248 said:

The Disney theme park is now canon

Whatever happens a long, long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away stays a long, long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away...

Amiright?

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Flashdiaz said:

redline248 said:

The Disney theme park is now canon


How about stuff that happens while at the park?



on a side note, why are they referring to it as Marvel's Star Wars and not Disney's Star Wars?


They are talking about a comic book. Comics are written by Marvel.
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Hamill officially does not give a **** anymore, and I love it...

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I love Mark but his bitterness has gotten kind of annoying lately.
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Interesting ranking. What is it that makes you put I over III?
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I agree.
Also...when were the 4 of them ever together in the original in the cockpit of the falcon? Oh right...never.
I think it's fine that he is upset about where they took his character, but he is purposeful stoking the fires now for self promotion. He knows the fans are upset so he is taking their side.
If he was really so upset about it, he would not have participated in the new trilogy. Sure the story has changed a bit, but I know that JJ wanted this story to focus on a new generation, and that was always the story from the outset. He can't act like he didn't know they old characters were not going to be the main focus.
I think it's just really unprofessional to make money from acting in something, and then to turn around and trash it. It's just not a good look on anyone.
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TCTTS said:

Hamill officially does not give a **** anymore, and I love it...


Lando: Hey, hey! Luke, I think that Viagra you gave me is kicking in!

Luke: Ha! I told you man!

Leia: geez, not this sh** again <sigh>

Han: I don't think mine's working

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Not to mention I just don't think he's a very good actor. That has nothing to do with my dislike for TLJ. He's just not very good. IMO.

As such, again IMO, I think he ought to be more grateful for the opportunity and less prone to belittling his employer. But that's just me.
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Basically, I can't stand Hayden Christensen in the role of Anakin. I have nothing against Christensen as an actor, and have even liked him in other parts, I just think it's a terribly written part performed terribly. Anakin should be an endlessly compelling character, yet Lucas/Christensen render him the complete opposite. His stalker-esque relationship with Padme is cringe-worthy, he has zero chemistry with McGregor/Obi-Wan, and his eventual turn is almost laughable. I also think the movie itself is simply too "digital." It's the worst of Lucas' impulses all amped up to 10 and fully on display. The opening space/rescue sequence, the final duel, etc... it all just looks like noisy, digital crap, IMO. Overall, I just don't find any of it compelling. We not only know the exact ending going in, but everything leading up to it is so predictable as well, and the movie does absolutely nothing to subvert that in anyway. I just find it to be an all-around inevitable, digital bore.

I've said this before, but The Phantom Menace is the only prequel that actually looks like a real movie, seeing as it was the only prequel shot on film. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are well-rendered, have great chemistry, etc., and even though I never would have started the prequels with Anakin so young, I don't mind Jake Lloyd's performance at all. The pod race holds up, Maul is the second best villain of the franchise, and I still hold that the final climactic light saber fight between him, Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan is, hands down, the best of the series. Don't get me wrong, the movie obviously has PLENTY of flaws, and it's still crap overall, but certain characters, settings, and sequences - as a whole - are better than any of the other prequels, IMO.
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Quote:

and it's still crap overall,


TCTTS, you're breaking my heart




/Spilner

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I tend to agree, though I do love the overall turn at the end of the end of ROTS (from the Empire/Senate perspective). But yes, Anakin was flat out bad which is too bad considering he's actually a decent actor.

You're right though, TPM feels the closest to being part of the Star Wars universe out of the prequels. On the flip side, both TFA and even TLJ both really look and feel like Star Wars films.
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in my book mark hamill can do whatever he wants and still be the coolest guy around. He's always been magnificent to the fanbase, while ford and fisher treated star wars like something embarassing from their past for most of the 90s and 00s. He could have been an ******* and told RJ< no thanks I'm not doing that character, go ahead and try and replace me, and then he gave his brutal honest truth about the role when reporters asked. How many hollywood actors would admit "I didn't like the part, but I trusted the director and did my best." He wants to have a few yuks on Twitter with PHotoshop ? Guy has been in public spotlight for 42 years and never let them see him sweat. I'd rather meet him than any other celebrity alive just to say tahnks.
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Its JJ to blame for Luke's arc in the new trilogy, not RJ. Sure RJ may have tossed out JJ's initial ideas, but JJ didn't leave him many realistic options for what to do with Luke in the TLJ after the events of TFA. Also JJ killed off Han, so....if they were ever going to be together it would have been in TFA. I get people hating TLJ because of what happened with Luke, but I think blaming RJ for making the best with his limited options on Luke's story isn't really fair.
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Seriously? How about, for starters, don't have Luke chuck one of the most iconic movie props in cinematic history over his shoulder. I think that's a reasonable starting point for options in improving Luke's character in TLJ.
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He had the option of literally doing what Yoda did at the end of Ep III....go into hiding and wait for Rey to show up. Giving up and cutting off from the Force was all Rian.

So I blame Rian much more than JJ. But ultimately the blame falls with Disney/Lucasfilm for not insisting on greater collaboration or having someone in the story group own it. (They were that desperate to get JJ to direct VII I guess)
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veryfuller said:

Its JJ to blame for Luke's arc in the new trilogy, not RJ. Sure RJ may have tossed out JJ's initial ideas, but JJ didn't leave him many realistic options for what to do with Luke in the TLJ after the events of TFA. Also JJ killed off Han, so....if they were ever going to be together it would have been in TFA. I get people hating TLJ because of what happened with Luke, but I think blaming RJ for making the best with his limited options on Luke's story isn't really fair.
I completely disagree with this. I just can't imagine Abrams intended for Luke to toss the lightsaber over his shoulder, or for him to turn into an emo hermit.
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But what are the other options that explain his complete isolation? He is clearly physically fine at the end of the movie? So he could sense all the chaos going on, including the destruction of the capital star system and the death of one of his friends, but he chills on the island? What explains that in a satisfactory way that doesn't make him a complete jerk? Either he is ignoring his friends in pain (which is out of character for him per ESB) or he has detached from the force and is unaware of whats going on outside. Or maybe there is another option that explains his decisions?

Sure throwing the light saber is a jarring move, but it's at least in character for someone who has decided to leave the jedi stuff behind him. I'm not trying to convince you to like TLJ or what happened with Luke, I am just asking what is another story that makes sense given the set up. In my opinion, JJ didn't leave RJ with much to work with when it comes to Luke's story.
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TLJ gets many things wrong, but Luke's arc is not one of them. It was jarring as hell to see him toss that lightsaber, but it completely fits with what his character has become--someone overcome with failure, guilt, and anger over his legacy. RJ took Luke's character about the only interesting place it could go. The easy thing would be to just turn him into Obi Wan Junior, but there would be no dramatic purpose for doing so--we've already seen that movie.

The climax featuring Luke literally facing his failure with Kylo head one is one of the defining moments of the series for me. The fact that the other elements of TLJ are uneven or downright bad is almost beside the point. They nailed Luke's character, and that goes a long way.
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