CJS4715 said:
On the TV series front, they were tossing around rumors about a show for ABC as far back as last August if I remember right (. The concern seems to be producing it at an acceptable SW universe level with a TV budget. I know there was a story idea put together with Coruscant as the setting.
Frankly, the issue with Saw was the lack of fleshing out how he connected with Galen Erso. Well that and the crazy, off the wall stuff in R1 with Saw. None of the background, of which he appeared in a grand total of 4 episodes from TCW, was important to the movie. The explanation that he was someone who was part of the Rebellion that eventually grew disillusioned with the lack of action and struck out on his own, eventually being effectively disowned by the larger rebellion because they disapproved of his move violent, indiscriminate actions. Which is fine for why he left the rebellion, but not how he connected back to the Erso family.CJS4715 said:
It is a crazy theory, and I agree, I'd want him to be fleshed out in the movie. If you want more, hey, there is this cartoon, but if you are an adult without kids - the movie should suffice in giving you enough background. If it were Ezra, one could easily make the argument that he is the other hope referenced by Yoda, which would be a mind **** of the highest degree for me. 30 years of assumptions just wiped away.
was actually thinking about the 'there is another ' line... since Leia is no longer with us, Luke now truly is the Last Jedi.jabberwalkie09 said:Frankly, the issue with Saw was the lack of fleshing out how he connected with Galen Erso. Well that and the crazy, off the wall stuff in R1 with Saw. None of the background, of which he appeared in a grand total of 4 episodes from TCW, was important to the movie. The explanation that he was someone who was part of the Rebellion that eventually grew disillusioned with the lack of action and struck out on his own, eventually being effectively disowned by the larger rebellion because they disapproved of his move violent, indiscriminate actions. Which is fine for why he left the rebellion, but not how he connected back to the Erso family.CJS4715 said:
It is a crazy theory, and I agree, I'd want him to be fleshed out in the movie. If you want more, hey, there is this cartoon, but if you are an adult without kids - the movie should suffice in giving you enough background. If it were Ezra, one could easily make the argument that he is the other hope referenced by Yoda, which would be a mind **** of the highest degree for me. 30 years of assumptions just wiped away.
And that's a separate matter from him originating from TCW.
I don't see them over turning the "there is another" being assumed as Leia.
jabberwalkie09 said:
I don't see them over turning the "there is another" being assumed as Leia.
Since 1313 was canned as a game, I've thought that it would probably make a good Netflix series and a story set around Coruscant would give 1313 some credit as a posibility IMO. But yeah, the long understood concern with doing a live action show with any force user involved was the special effects budget required.AliasMan02 said:CJS4715 said:
On the TV series front, they were tossing around rumors about a show for ABC as far back as last August if I remember right (. The concern seems to be producing it at an acceptable SW universe level with a TV budget. I know there was a story idea put together with Coruscant as the setting.
They'd be better of doing their version of Firefly out in the Outer Rim to limit the CG. And doing it Sherlock style rather than a series.
And Kenobi didn't know about the other sister? i guess that is implied.AliasMan02 said:
But we know that at the time Yoda said it in Empire, it did not mean Leia, which makes it at least somewhat interesting in the context of the Ezra conversation (which I agree has no merit).
Refresher for those who don't recall: as of Empire, Luke and Leia were not siblings. That was invented for Jedi to resolve the love triangle. Luke was to have a sister who is still out in hiding in the far reaches of space. She would appear in the next trilogy that never came to be after Jedi was replanned.
my unsubstantiated theory is that he's a crime boss.CJS4715 said:
The Coruscant story revolved around a few families fighting for control of the underworld. So, it'd be more of a crime / mafia type story in the Star Wars universe, I suppose. The underworld part of Coruscant as the backdrop would cut down on some of the production costs as it wouldn't have to be a CGI world like in the films.
To be fair, I think there is about a 1% chance of Del Toro being Ezra. It's a tie in that would even make Lucas blush a bit. I like the scavenger / collector idea for Del Toro. It might even be interesting if he has taken up residence in Vader's castle.
fig96 said:
I watched the series and had no idea that was even him in CW till someone here pointed it out.
So yeah, not remotely necessary, though he could've used a bit more depth in the film. I believe there's been rumors that the revised version of Saw Guerra will be showing up in Rebels.
Just a tad behind.fig96 said:
Well there you go. I still need to watch Season 2
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Would you all be for or against the idea of retconning that line to be in reference to Rey? What if he could foresee another powerful force user years ahead of time?
jabberwalkie09 said:Frankly, the issue with Saw was the lack of fleshing out how he connected with Galen Erso. Well that and the crazy, off the wall stuff in R1 with Saw. None of the background, of which he appeared in a grand total of 4 episodes from TCW, was important to the movie. The explanation that he was someone who was part of the Rebellion that eventually grew disillusioned with the lack of action and struck out on his own, eventually being effectively disowned by the larger rebellion because they disapproved of his move violent, indiscriminate actions. Which is fine for why he left the rebellion, but not how he connected back to the Erso family.CJS4715 said:
It is a crazy theory, and I agree, I'd want him to be fleshed out in the movie. If you want more, hey, there is this cartoon, but if you are an adult without kids - the movie should suffice in giving you enough background. If it were Ezra, one could easily make the argument that he is the other hope referenced by Yoda, which would be a mind **** of the highest degree for me. 30 years of assumptions just wiped away.
And that's a separate matter from him originating from TCW. So I don't think that the complaint that he originated from TCW and you would have to watch a cartoon holds much weight.
I don't see them over turning the "there is another" being assumed as Leia.
Oh, I realizejabberwalkie09 said:Just a tad behind.fig96 said:
Well there you go. I still need to watch Season 2
Trying to find a good way to watch reasonably legally. redline248 said:
I believe Alias when he says that about Leia not written as the sister yet, but as Brian says why then could Leia hear Luke's call through the force? Also, depending on who provided the details on when she was written as the sister (Lucas?) the info could be faulty.
I mean, you could buy the seasons digitally on Amazon Video. The one downer is that season 2 was split into two parts IIRC.fig96 said:Oh, I realizejabberwalkie09 said:Just a tad behind.fig96 said:
Well there you go. I still need to watch Season 2
Yeah, have been tossing around getting them on iTunes (have most of my media managed through there for better or worse). I just got an iTunes gift card so will prob pull the trigger soon...jabberwalkie09 said:I mean, you could buy the seasons digitally on Amazon Video. The one downer is that season 2 was split into two parts IIRC.fig96 said:Oh, I realizejabberwalkie09 said:Just a tad behind.fig96 said:
Well there you go. I still need to watch Season 2
AliasMan02 said:redline248 said:
I believe Alias when he says that about Leia not written as the sister yet, but as Brian says why then could Leia hear Luke's call through the force? Also, depending on who provided the details on when she was written as the sister (Lucas?) the info could be faulty.
They were close and Luke was in love with her. It makes sense that he would call to her.
First of all, they make out on Hoth. So I think that's strong evidence. All of the source about the changes in Jedi are from Gary Kurtz, who honestly is as much to thank for Star Wars as Lucas. The main difference is that his story has never changed about Jedi, where Lucas is a damn near compulsive liar and can't even keep his stories straight on the subject.
redline248 said:AliasMan02 said:redline248 said:
I believe Alias when he says that about Leia not written as the sister yet, but as Brian says why then could Leia hear Luke's call through the force? Also, depending on who provided the details on when she was written as the sister (Lucas?) the info could be faulty.
They were close and Luke was in love with her. It makes sense that he would call to her.
First of all, they make out on Hoth. So I think that's strong evidence. All of the source about the changes in Jedi are from Gary Kurtz, who honestly is as much to thank for Star Wars as Lucas. The main difference is that his story has never changed about Jedi, where Lucas is a damn near compulsive liar and can't even keep his stories straight on the subject.
So his love makes her able to sense things through the force?
Also, I don't think I would call it making it when Leia kisses him to piss off Han and make him jealous.
AliasMan02 said:
Leia feel's Han's death from across the galaxy. And doesn't Anakin know Padme is in danger at some point? There aren't many rules with the Force, really.
I think you're making my point. They are all force users. And Leia feeling Han's death is a bad example if you're trying to make the case she isn't a force user. It basically confirms her being the other Skywalker Yoda mentioned, retconned or not.jabberwalkie09 said:
There's precedent in canon for people with strong connections between each other being able to call out to each other. Mainly in TCW between Ahsoka and Plo Koon, Ahsoka and Anakin, and Kenobi and Anakin. When one or the other was missing, one of them was able to feel them out and find them. I don't think their love is necessarily a prerequisite for it, but rather a strong connection.
I wasn't disagreeing with the idea that force users have the ability, rather I was saying that I don't think that love is a prerequisite, just like I said. In the case of Leia, she showed no affinity during ANH for the force that I can recall. It only really popped up first during ESB at Cloud City, and that was more or less because Luke was reaching out to her. I can't say that's evidence to her being force sensitive or using the force. Her affinity and sense for things didn't become apparent until ROTJ, and mostly because Luke was beating around the bush of her being his sister and then when the Death Star II was destroyed it was more apparent that she could feel him specifically.redline248 said:I think you're making my point. They are all force users. And Leia feeling Han's death is a bad example if you're trying to make the case she isn't a force user. It basically confirms her being the other Skywalker Yoda mentioned, retconned or not.jabberwalkie09 said:
There's precedent in canon for people with strong connections between each other being able to call out to each other. Mainly in TCW between Ahsoka and Plo Koon, Ahsoka and Anakin, and Kenobi and Anakin. When one or the other was missing, one of them was able to feel them out and find them. I don't think their love is necessarily a prerequisite for it, but rather a strong connection.
There aren't examples of Han sensing things through the force related to someone to whom he has a strong connection. All the way back to A New Hope we've seen force users knowing things over long distances. I think the evidence is that Leia was using the force, implying her character was meant to be a force user.
Even from a story telling perspective, I think the writers were leaving a clue. You have Obi-wan tell Luke he can't interfere, Yoda say there is another Skywalker, then Luke...after first calling for Ben, calls to Leia.
