TCTTS said:

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So, according to Jeff (who, again, is as dependable as they come, and I can personally vouch for)...

Damon Lindelof's version of the "New Jedi Order" movie was set 60 YEARS after The Rise of Skywalker, with a different, older actor playing Rey, the comp for which they were using was Helen Mirren (before having offered her the role) - who, in the face of a new, emerging threat, would have begun training two younger Jedi.

Apparently the script wasn't great, though, and it was at that point that Kennedy decided to switch to actually using Daisy Ridley herself, thus dialing the time period back 50-ish years. Lindelof presumably didn't want to go that route - or wasn't even afforded the opportunity - and so Steven Knight was then hired to execute the new vision.

As much as I love Lindelof... maybe we dodged a bullet? Or does Ridley coming back still feel "too soon"?

Starting at the 11:57 mark...

https://www.youtube.com/live/oXY3MVwyu8c

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I am in the camp that we dodged a bullet. As much as I dislike the execution of the sequel movies. There is at least an interesting idea that Rey is the balance of the force that Anakin was prophesied to bring.

In theory, she is the last child of the Sith Empire trained by the Last Jedi, Luke. The balance and final product of the two force factions at war for so long (Old Republic to Battle for Exegol)

So if she is the fulcrum to a new Star Wars story, then they should tell her story, not skip it.

Personally, I think Jedi/Sith are the most problematic part of Star Wars now. On a practical level, there is so much branding and marketing and awareness of these terms you can't get ride of them. On a story level they pigeonhole the story into good knights vs evil wizard emperors.

Something new should be done. I think a story about a galaxy hostile to Rey and her navigating a place for force users in a post-Jedi/Sith society that hates force users could be really interesting.

Dekker_Lentz said:

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TCTTS said:

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So, according to Jeff (who, again, is as dependable as they come, and I can personally vouch for)...

Damon Lindelof's version of the "New Jedi Order" movie was set 60 YEARS after The Rise of Skywalker, with a different, older actor playing Rey, the comp for which they were using was Helen Mirren (before having offered her the role) - who, in the face of a new, emerging threat, would have begun training two younger Jedi.

Apparently the script wasn't great, though, and it was at that point that Kennedy decided to switch to actually using Daisy Ridley herself, thus dialing the time period back 50-ish years. Lindelof presumably didn't want to go that route - or wasn't even afforded the opportunity - and so Steven Knight was then hired to execute the new vision.

As much as I love Lindelof... maybe we dodged a bullet? Or does Ridley coming back still feel "too soon"?

Starting at the 11:57 mark...

https://www.youtube.com/live/oXY3MVwyu8c

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I am in the camp that we dodged a bullet. As much as I dislike the execution of the sequel movies. There is at least an interesting idea that Rey is the balance of the force that Anakin was prophesied to bring.

In theory, she is the last child of the Sith Empire trained by the Last Jedi, Luke. The balance and final product of the two force factions at war for so long (Old Republic to Battle for Exegol)

So if she is the fulcrum to a new Star Wars story, then they should tell her story, not skip it.

Personally, I think Jedi/Sith are the most problematic part of Star Wars now. On a practical level, there is so much branding and marketing and awareness of these terms you can't get ride of them. On a story level they pigeonhole the story into good knights vs evil wizard emperors.

Something new should be done. I think a story about a galaxy hostile to Rey and her navigating a place for force users in a post-Jedi/Sith society that hates force users could be really interesting.

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Yes! When you have bad guys with force powers, everybody is ok with using good guys with force powers to fight them. If there's only one group of people with force powers then that dynamic becomes very interesting and worthy of a new story. Even though it would probably take a very X-men vibe (mutants place in the world), it would be new ground in this universe to cover. You have factions who would want to kill the force users to truly bring balance to the force in their own way. You would have factions that would want to control them for their own gain or maybe help them for the greater good of the galaxy.

My main pitch for the future of Star Wars is to avoid having a Galactic-spanning Empire, Republic, or anything. That has always been the setting for all eras of Star Wars, but it's what gets you into trouble with the repeated plot lines.

If we jump ahead 10 years, the Galactic Republic should exist, but should only be a chunk of the core, expansion region, and inner rim worlds, and a few others here and there. Let there be four or five legitimate political powers and lots of independent worlds.

How the Jedi fit into this climate would be a good foundation.

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— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) April 30, 2023

Will lead to countless rebel deaths

Return of the Jedi chops up $4.694 million over the weekend in just 475 theaters.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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No. They straight up said it was Mando 2.5 and a bridge between seasons before it even aired.

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No, they didn't. There was a hunch that Mando *might* appear at some point during TBOBF, but neither Lucasfilm nor Disney said as much ahead of time, and it was surprising to just about everyone how and when he did finally show up. Going into the season, the feeling was that maybe Mando shows up late in the game to help Boba Fett out in some way, but no one had any idea there was going to be an entire storyline devoted to Mando and Mando alone, and that it would serve as a crucial, can't-miss bridge, never mind the Grogu (and Luke) of it all.

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Dekker_Lentz said:

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Something new should be done. I think a story about a galaxy hostile to Rey and her navigating a place for force users in a post-Jedi/Sith society that hates force users could be really interesting.

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I would absolutely not watch this. It may be SW, but another movie about muh oppression and _____ learning to accept _____ after they save the day is just completely unappealing. If you want to kill the franchise, that's putting a bullet in its head.

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What in the world are you going on about? Not only is the entire premise of Star Wars about a galaxy overcoming oppression, but the Jedi were basically treated as weirdos/"others"/non-existent throughout the entirety of the original trilogy.

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There better be a 0% chance the Yuuzhan Vong will become canon/used in movies or shows. Its awful

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Well there was that one guy who tried to bully Vader at a staff meeting...

I don't know what's sadder… that news being so obscure that it could only be found in random articles (i.e. not officially announced/marketed as such), or you taking the time to research and post all of that just to call me out.

My larger point still remains… 99% of us had no idea because we don't read every last Star Wars article in circulation. Again, for the 400th time, when a number of legit fans in this very thread had no idea Mando and Grogu had even been reunited - and thus had no idea how essential TBOBF was - Lucasfilm failed to do their job. Like with so much else, Favreau & co did a sh*t job - in this case, of getting that message out to the masses.

I remember it was discussed on this site as Mandalorian 2.5 when at least some of those articles came out.

But I'm not gonna dig up any of the posts to prove it

Let's try to refrain from calling people or things they do "sad." Just say "ok" and move on, or ignore it.

And I agree it was all poorly marketed

Seeing ROTJ on the big screen for the first time since 83 was awesome! This time I didn't cover my eyes when the rancor came out.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Dekker_Lentz said:

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Something new should be done. I think a story about a galaxy hostile to Rey and her navigating a place for force users in a post-Jedi/Sith society that hates force users could be really interesting.

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I would absolutely not watch this. It may be SW, but another movie about muh oppression and _____ learning to accept _____ after they save the day is just completely unappealing. If you want to kill the franchise, that's putting a bullet in its head.

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What? My point is one of the interesting things about having Rey be a Palpatine is how would the galaxy respond to that knowledge. I don't think it is too much a logical leap that people may have negative opinions about a Palpatine trying to create a whole new power base of force users. Hero or not.

That being said I like AliasMan02 thoughts. Having multiple legitimate government powers in the galaxy and no singular one for Jedi to defend is an interesting way to continue the story.

The biggest complaint people had about Rey is she didn't really struggle to obtain her powers. I think telling a whole movie where she setups up a new Jedi school and everyone applauds it and welcomes the school with open arms because she killed her granddad would not be well received.

I just don't think Rey's story should be the old EU Luke's story.

Not everything is about the current culture war.

Belton Ag said:

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TCTTS said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Dekker_Lentz said:

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Something new should be done. I think a story about a galaxy hostile to Rey and her navigating a place for force users in a post-Jedi/Sith society that hates force users could be really interesting.

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I would absolutely not watch this. It may be SW, but another movie about muh oppression and _____ learning to accept _____ after they save the day is just completely unappealing. If you want to kill the franchise, that's putting a bullet in its head.

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What in the world are you going on about? Not only is the entire premise of Star Wars about a galaxy overcoming oppression, but the Jedi were basically treated as weirdos/"others"/non-existent throughout the entirety of the original trilogy.

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Setting aside obvious politics overtones, I thought one of the things we don't like about recent Star Wars is the consistent recycling of storylines, plot points, etc. In that sense I agree with him; they have a completely fresh canvas to paint and hopefully they give us a new theme.

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To me, this angle would feel new enough, though. I wouldn't mind most people in the galaxy basically being like, "Yeah, after nine movies worth of Force users screwing things up for the rest of, we're good. In fact, you can take the Force and shove it up your --"

Also, we know that Rey randomly starting a new Jedi Academy likely isn't what Lucasfilm is planning. It's not going to be some sociopolitical metaphor where being Force-sensitive is analogous to being gay or trans or whatever, and it becomes the few, prideful Force-users vs the "bigoted," broader galaxy.

Instead, in the Lindelof version, old Rey was resurrecting the Jedi in *response* to a new threat. So my guess is they're keeping that basic conceit, where an evil, Force-using threat shows themselves first. Then let's say Rey, in return, knows the only way to win is to fight fire with fire and so she starts training a new generation of Jedi. Only her doing so is met with resistance by the good guys, somewhat akin to concerns of escalation of nuclear war. In other words, you have the good guys saying, "We don't want to go down that road again. We know where it leads," only for Rey to be caught in the middle, trying to convince the good guys she can do it different this time, she's learned from the mistakes of those he came before her, etc.

This would also be the opposite of The Force Awakens, where Rey, Leia, and co were essentially *depending* on finding a magical wizard to help turn the tables and win the war. In contrast, however, here, maybe the powers-that-be are more secular, nuts-and-bolts, military industrial complex types, and it's Rey trying to convince them that they're going to need a little religion/magic on their side if they want to have any hope of winning this thing.