This movie seems to be popular to crap on. While not perfect it was pretty damn good. I was entertained. The special effects were impressive.

Just watched the original TV series episode with Kahn. I thought he was a more recurring villain. Def helps me understand ST:2 better.

Just saw it. Movie was off the damn chain. Not as cohesive as the first one, but very good.

My only complaint is the dialogue exchange when Kirk was dying.

Other than that, this was a solid 8.8/10.

Could have done without Spock yelling Kahn

A very good movie, but I've got the same gripes as everyone else. Khan was wasted, the plot was riddled with holes (some of which were mindboglingly huge) and yet the actors, action sequences, style and nostalgia for 2009's movie carried it through the mess.

Never really watched the old Star Trek stuff.

Enjoyed this movie quite a bit.

Didn't mind the Khan reveal but had pretty much figured it out by the time he goes Rambo on the Klingons.

I guess not knowing all the backstory didn't hurt my enjoyment of it like it did for some others.

Does anyone here remember ALIAS or LOST? The history of Abrams and the Orci types is to introduce, then very slowly backfill the background. Hopefully that's what will happen with the Kahn character over the next couple movies.

Really enjoyed the movie. This young cast is really fun to watch.

yeah. I already knew Kahn was a genetic super human from ST:II. So I suspected from the blood, but the suspicion was confirmed during the Klingon ass-kicking.

Basically, Khan = Captain America.

Saw it (2D) enjoyed it. Fun movie. Afterword, the plot holes as discussed come up with retrospecction... will still see it again ... stupid but fun...

Just saw it. Haven't read any reviews or anything so am surprised that it seems to get some criticism. I don't expect super-tight writing from JJ, but all in all I thought this worked out well. I really liked flipping the script on some of the classic ST moments. I also wasn't surprised at any of the little twists or reveals, but that didn't hamper my enjoyment at all. Really liked it a lot.

Also, some of the sequences make me really look forward to a JJ Star Wars movie. His vision of the future San Francisco I thought was very Star Warsy.

The best thing about the JJ Trek has been his redesign of everything. The aliens are so much better. I love the stark white bridge and exterior of the Enterprise and the naval-like innards. I loved loved loved the new Birds of Prey. Not totally nuts for the new Klingon look, but I get it. Looked like sort of halfway between the TOS and TNG Klingons. Loved their armor, though.

I had one question. What all did Uhura say to the Klingons? It was only subtitled in Arabic, so I couldn't follow it.

Something along the lines of they were there to help the Klingons by implying that they share a mutual enemy in Harrison/Khan as he killed a lot of people on Earth and he posed a similar threat to the Klingons. Klingons DGAF.


I liked the costuming/make-up of the indigenous race during the opening scene. Great to look at.

Uhura said they were looking for a criminal who killed lots of humans and the Klingons are like "wtf do we care about humans?" and she says that they do care about honor, Klingon starts going Chris Brown on her and then Khan shows up.

This article is not at all a critique, but more of a suggestion of a thread this movie could have further explored, and can still explore in future movies. One of the most eloquent and well-written pieces I've read on the rebooted version of the franchise so far. Really good stuff...

http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and-dash/vulcan-survivors-guilt-why-jj-abrams-should-make-mr-spock-the-hero-of-the-new-star-trek-franchise

I watched it again tonight and I have to say, I really don't get the griping of the plot holes. Even after the second viewing, I'm not seeing the huge plot holes everyone seems to be complaining about. The more I think about this movie, the more genius it becomes.

A lot of the plot hole complaints in this movie, like the trans warp transport, are actually from the first movie. I mean, there are holes, but it's no worse than the last one, which was full of them. I guess I don't understand the elevated expectations from this movie, or JJ in general.

Saw it last night and enjoyed the hell out of it.

I guess if I really dug around, I'd find all these plot holes everyone's griping about....but I'm not going to because I enjoyed the movie and don't want to be told by others that it wasn't good.

I think the pacing and the amount of action was more than enough attract attention away from the plot holes. Unlike say The Matrix where there are moments of meditation that allow your mind time to wander and realize 'WTF, this doesn't make sense at all...'

I just saw it and thought it was awesome. I thought they did a great job of making a movie my wife (who has never seen a Star Trek movie) enjoyed as well as throwing in a lot of stuff for me (someone who's seen all of them) enjoyed.

Great movie.

So for all of you geniuses, could you explain to me these plot holes without copying and pasting from some other review. I just went to see it after reading these complaints and I have to wonder what on earth some of you are talking about. I was actively looking for some problems but didn't really see any. The only thing was the movie felt rushed for me and I will have to watch it again to properly compare it to the first one.

I really didn't notice any plot holes. I never watched the shows either.

Some bits that don't make sense are the use of a starship to chase Khan when they have the transporter that sent him there. Also, why did he go to the Klingons anyway?

Did they say who the saboteur was on the Enterprise? I don't remember them figuring it out.

Also, given Kirk's mental state by dismissing Scotty and our knowledge of being emotionally compromised from the first movie, why didn't Bones declare him unfit?

The most glaring plot hole was "we need Khan's blood" when there's 72 other supermen right there.

Lesser holes that readily came to mind while watching: the fight between the enterprise and dreadnought, where did it take place? At first I thought it was middle of nowhere en route to earth, but then they all fell down to earth after the fight. Where the heck was the rest of the fleet during this space battle over San Francisco? Where are the consequences for the crap on Kronos? (Everyone said it would mean war with Klingons, but at the end of the film they send their newest ship on a 5 year deep space exploratory mission??)

Not plot holes, but annoying was instant teleportation across the galaxy and khan's blood curing death.

Ganon: that why didn't they declare Kirk unfit to command part really bugged me too.

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I thought that at the time, then wrote it off because they had previously said that they didn't know how to unfreeze the crew without killing them. It's funny that you mention it, though, because it is one of the things that struck me actually during the movie.

Bones knew for sure Khan's blood had those properties. We don't know with certainty the rest of his crews did.

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I thought that at the time, then wrote it off because they had previously said that they didn't know how to unfreeze the crew without killing them. It's funny that you mention it, though, because it is one of the things that struck me actually during the movie.

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Right, but then they unfreeze one and put him in a coma so they can freeze Kirk instead...

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The most glaring plot hole was "we need Khan's blood" when there's 72 other supermen right there.

Lesser holes that readily came to mind while watching: the fight between the enterprise and dreadnought, where did it take place? At first I thought it was middle of nowhere en route to earth, but then they all fell down to earth after the fight. Where the heck was the rest of the fleet during this space battle over San Francisco? Where are the consequences for the crap on Kronos? (Everyone said it would mean war with Klingons, but at the end of the film they send their newest ship on a 5 year deep space exploratory mission??)

Not plot holes, but annoying was instant teleportation across the galaxy and khan's blood curing death.

Ganon: that why didn't they declare Kirk unfit to command part really bugged me too.

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None of those are plot holes. When the dreadnought knocked the enterprise out of warp, they were 230 thousand miles away from earth and you could see it in the background. They were definitely not in the middle of no where.

They didn't use the transport because the admiral in charge wanted to start a war. I don't think Kirk made up his mind until after he was already on his way.

Kirk was just reprimanded and denoted for not following the rules. You think he was acting unstable for following a direct order? He wasn't thinking irrationally.

As far as where the rest of the the fleet was...the enterprise's communications were jammed and they couldn't contact earth. Do you think they had s bunch of ships just waiting on the sidelines or something? I assumed they would all be out on their own missions.

Consequences for Kronos? I seriously doubt we've heard the end of that storyline.

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Could have done without Spock yelling Kahn

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This was my only complaint. I loved most of the linkage to the old film (hand on the glass, etc) but Spock yelling Kahn was a little too blatant imo.

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Bones knew for sure Khan's blood had those properties. We don't know with certainty the rest of his crews did.

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Yes, we do. It's established as fact that the other 72 crew members have the same genetic make-up as Khan. This is DEFINITELY a plot hole, and those trying to defend it are bending over backwards to do so. In a world of cryogenics, transporters and warp drives, there is no excuse for not being able to thaw/use the blood of one of the remaining frozen crew members. Yes, Bones says something about not knowing/having the proper sequencing technique to wake a frozen crew member. But again, even with just today's technology, they'd at least be able to draw/thaw blood. Even still, they MOVED a frozen crew member from a pod in order to have the empty one for Kirk. Which would seem to halfway contradict Bones' earlier claim.

Regardless, if you guys go back and read this thread, its not so much "plot holes" that most are complaining about. Yes, there are a few, but for the most part, they're nitpicky and not that big a deal (save for the one mentioned above). It's more the dumb choices made by the writers/director that are rubbing people the wrong way. Like the way in which Khan was used (or not), the overall derivative nature of the plot, the fact that death has now been conquered, etc. I wouldn't call those plot holes. Just stupid narrative choices on the part of the filmmakers.

Like I've said many times already in this thread, I truly enjoyed this movie. I had a great time in the theater. But my enjoyment's not going to stop me from critiquing it. It's possible to like something that's deeply flawed. It doesn't have to be this perfect, plot-hole-less thing in order to justify enjoying it.

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Oh, man. Prepare to waste a good 45 minutes with Red Letter Media's new Into Darkness review. Their acted bookends are always weird as hell, but I love listening to these guys talk about and dissect big summer movies. The part where they each take a turn trying to explain the plot is hilarious...

http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-star-trek-into-darkness/

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Yes, we do. It's established as fact that the other 72 crew members have the same genetic make-up as Khan.

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Not from a scientific standpoint. Bones would be relying on heresay only if he blindly used it without testing it.

TCTTS.. calm down dude. Its a movie. You are taking this way too seriously.

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Not from a scientific standpoint. Bones would be relying on heresay only if he blindly used it without testing it.

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Again, if you want to bend over backwards to assume that Khan is lying when he says his brothers and sisters are the same as him genetically, then sure. I guess I can buy not wanting to believe the so-called "villain" of the movie, who hadn't told a single lie up until that point. But even still, it's such a huge contrivance. EVERY INDICATION points to the 72 frozen crew members being the same as Khan. No matter how you cut it, the very fact that people are even having this argument proves what bad writing it is.

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