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That scene with this snake and the biologist changed my entire perspective of the.movie.from that point on. It went from plain sci-fi to spaceballs.

die you moron "biologist"

What a shame that Charlize didn't play the biologist.

Did the biologist ever have a monster burst out of him? I can't remember what happened after the snake mouth raped him.

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Did the biologist ever have a monster burst out of him? I can't remember what happened after the snake mouth raped him.

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Yeah, the snake jumped out of either his chest/mouth/suit when the crew showed up to find them. They found him dead, turned him over, and then the snake jumped out of him back into the water.

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The biologist was the most obvious example of why this movie was ****.

"Whoa, a non-living alien entity? Get me the **** outta here!"

"A living alien entity that is hissing at me and displaying classic aggressive behavior? I'MMA PLAY WITH IT!"

While I'd like to pick this apart, like I've said multiple times, this was a summer science fiction horror and meant to entertain; I was entertained and ready for the next installment.

Glad you enjoyed it! I was expecting a little more than Friday the 13th: Alien Holiday.

Hey now, it had it's crappy parts, but it also had some good questions. The first 6+ pages of this thread are interesting to see everyones point of view.

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the movie had its flaws but on the whole I was extremely entertained, and enthralled by it.

And obviously by the discussion the movie has created it's accomplished a lot of what it set out to do.

TexAgs demands Citizen Kane every time they go to the movie.

Ummm....so when do the predators show up? Would love to see a predator fight an engineer.

Interesting, but then there's this interview excerpt with Ridley Scott:

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When the first ‘Alien' movie and ‘Blade Runner' were made, I thought that in the near future the world will be owned by large companies. This is why we have the Tyrell Corporation in ‘Blade Runner', and Weyland-Yutani in ‘Alien'. They sent the Nostromo spaceship.

The Prometheus is owned by an entrepreneur called Peter Weyland, and is played by Guy Pearce. That's the connection between the two films, and nothing more. Prometheus is a new film, a new world, and is full of new ideas. And of course new monsters as well.

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http://io9.com/5888385/ridley-scott-may-have-explained-the-connection-between-alien-and-prometheus

Now I officially think he's just trolling easily excitable scifi nerds with his interviews.

http://www.fxguide.com/featured/prometheus-rebuilding-hallowed-vfx-space/

Interesting article on the FX behind Prometheus. I never thought how much harder shooting in 3d makes visual fx. That aspect may make this movie even more of a leap than Avatar was (live action actors + fx + 3d).

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Citizen Kane is a crappy movie. Tried to watch it several times and I just can't figure out what's so great about it. I can usually get into old movies, but not that one. Prometheus > Citizen Kane.

Great link

No doubt Vickers is a robot as David called her "mother" early in the film. Mother is the ships mainframe computer in Alien.

From that screen shot above, I have to wonder WTF they're talking about. Prometheus is set before Blade Runner? Blade Runner was set in 2019 if I remember right, where Prometheus was, what, 2085? What am I missing?

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No doubt Vickers is a robot as David called her "mother" early in the film. Mother is the ships mainframe computer in Alien.

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I was convinced of this, until my buddy reminded me how hard she was working to get her space suit on before ejecting at the end of the movie. Odd behavior for an android. Off course with the gaping holes in the rest of the plot this could just be another wtf thing.

After you get past all the silly crap it was a pretty entertaining movie--and it might have been the best cgi I've ever seen.

Read through the thread some. Thought the movie was meh. But the two things that killed me:
1. The pansy scientist doesn't want to touch the dead body but was eager to pet the alien cobra.

2. The two chicks trying to escape being crushed by the long slender part of the spaceship running in a straight line like Daffy Duck trying to escape a falling tree. Take a couple steps to your right...

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I was convinced of this, until my buddy reminded me how hard she was working to get her space suit on before ejecting at the end of the movie. Odd behavior for an android. Off course with the gaping holes in the rest of the plot this could just be another wtf thing.

After you get past all the silly crap it was a pretty entertaining movie--and it might have been the best cgi I've ever seen.

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I thought the kiss on Weylands hand was a little inappropriate for a father- daughter. Gave me the creeps.

Just got around to seeing this movie today. As background, I've never seen any of the Alien movies (except the 1st Alien vs. Predator) which is possibly why I didn't have as many issues with the movie as a whole.

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Her self contained life boat was separate from the pod in which she shot out of Prometheus. I imagine she had no control over where it was going to land.

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Why did the android put the primordial cells into the scientist's drink (didn't understand this despite the explanations above)?

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I think this has been touched on plenty, but the way I saw it was David flat out didn't like Charlie. Charlie had no respect for David, and at times demonstrated a lack of respect for Shaw (i.e. yelling at her for going after the head instead of asking if she was ok). I believe David was growing to like Shaw and was jealous of Charlie. I certainly believe he had emotions or at the least learned to have. As mentioned, he probably also read something on the walls/doors that told him that room of goo was no good.

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What makes you think the facility focused on in the movie didn't already exist? Just because the Engineers died about 2000 years before doesn't not meant the facility was only 2000 years old. As to why the Engineers left a map to the facility at all....as far as I can guess that is unresolved.

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A few other thoughts.

1. There was discussion about the pile of engineers lying dead by the door, and what happened to the things that came out of their heads. Well, I don't believe anything came out of their heads...their heads just exploded like the one Shaw brought back on board. Something went wrong, they all got infected. They killed over dead and then their heads exploded...no new life forms.

As to Vickers, I think she was a human. She was the old man's true daughter and was resentful of him treating David as a son. Also, why would one build a female android with an actual vagina with which to have intercourse?

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Also, why would one build a female android with an actual vagina with which to have intercourse?

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What makes you think the facility focused on in the movie didn't already exist? Just because the Engineers died about 2000 years before doesn't not meant the facility was only 2000 years old. As to why the Engineers left a map to the facility at all....as far as I can guess that is unresolved.

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It has been suggested here and in interviews that the Engineers wanted to destroy humanity because of the murder of their "emissary" Jesus. If so, the WMD facility has no reason to exist until after Jesus' crucifixion. Unless genocide is a regular necessity for the Engineers, and they have always had such a facility just in case. But then why do they bother seeding the universe with life if they need to be prepared to wipe it out? No, I still like my "mutiny" theory instead of the WMD theory.

This movie had amazing visuals that were worth the price of admission by themselves and a solid premise (I like the idea of an origin story). I was even okay with the fact that the engineers had "turned." The other aspect I liked was the David stuff. The ideas behind him seemed to be much, much more developed. They obviously put a lot of thought into his character and how he fits into the universe. But that's about all I have to say that's positive. The negatives:

-The characters were - all movie long - so stupid that you couldn't even take them seriously. They basically turned this movie into a Scream/Halloween/Friday the 13th in space. If they represent the brightest minds humanity can produce, our race is doomed. Huge, huge flaw.
-Scott didn't offer us even a tiny carrot regarding the origin of humanity. Now I don't mind him stretching out the discovery over a couple movies, but this one gave us nothing. If he makes a part 2 that gets into the subject again, this one basically becomes optional.
-Given the mish mash that was the plot, his Jesus comment seems like another piece of burning wood in the Prometheus dumpster fire.

It annoyed me that he promised one thing and then gave us something so completely different. If you want to make Scream - i.e. a bunch of morons getting killed by aliens - then don't start out the movie by saying it's a research expedition full of scientists handpicked by a brilliant trillionaire. Don't have these scientists trying to pet alien cobras, touching bubbling black goo, approaching gigantic ripped aliens without taking any precautions, not jogging 10 feet to the side to get out from under the falling space ship, ignoring eye worms, abandoning the comm for a bit of ass when your fellow crew members are stuck on the surface, etc. Instead, say Wayland Industries started a resort on the planet among the alien ruins, thinking they were safe, but without doing enough investigation (or something like that).

Oh, another pet peeve: if our DNAs were a match, we'd be ten feet tall and jacked too.

I just don't understand why they poured so much effort and money into designing the sets and rendering the CGI special effects, and then so totally halfassed other parts that could have easily, easily been fixed.

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Glad you enjoyed it! I was expecting a little more than Friday the 13th: Alien Holiday.

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In a nutshell, this is what I felt like (more or less anyway). The TED talk and David ad had me thinking that this movie was going to be a lot more sophisticated than it ended up being. I was expecting an intellectual sci-fi thriller, not a film that was chalk full of "f*** it, I'm just gonna turn my brain off and enjoy the stunning visuals" scenes.

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Hey now, it had it's crappy parts, but it also had some good questions. The first 6+ pages of this thread are interesting to see everyones point of view.

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Eh, to a large extent that's because before this movie was made, there was already a ton of Alien & Predator lore (a half dozen movies, comics, etc) and this movie was incredibly vague and didn't answer anything definitively (it only lightly hinted at a lot).

If I write a really crappy Star Wars book, I can't justify it by saying "well look at all Star-Wars-Universe discussion my book generated." That's because lots of other works exist in the same universe, not because my book was good.

It was a summer blockbuster which left plenty of room for sequels. They don't make movies to answer questions; they are going to get every dime from every pocket they can. So we'll have a couple more rolled out in the next 5 years.

It was entertaining and made for good discussions with some friends who all saw symbolism but had different opinions.

I finally got around to seeing it and enjoyed every bit of it. I'll go back and read all the posts now but one thing that really surprised me was that it was more closely related to Alien then I was lead to believe.

Wow! I think this thread and the deep thinking it reveals is just as good as the movie if not better. I know I’m late to this party but I have a few observations and questions (in no particular order):

I think David was indeed curious about Shaw’s Christianity. Jebber noted this. Maybe he figured something out about the Engineers intentions

I also think David knew that Shaw was pregnant while en route to LV-226. I think that was morning sickness when she was throwing up more than anyone else………and David was there attending to her assuring her that it was normal. I think the 3-month old fetes was altered rather than created when she and the other dude had intercourse.

Maybe David had a suspicion or was playing the odds that they would get it on and seeing what would happen to the fetus was a bonus to just messing up the guy who called him 'boy' and was being a dick to him.

After she aborted the fetus in the surgery machine David specifically made note of her survival instinct. That’s something that is consistent with the theory that we went against self-sacrifice.

Maybe it wasn’t the act of crucifying Christ 2,000 years ago but the human ability to do so that was apparent to the Engineers leading up to the event. That would explain any timeline differences. How would Christ not have appeared as a big pale dude by the way?

Carbon dating – does the similar to earth atmosphere within the engineer’s ship allow for carbon dating with earth calibrated equipment? This was obviously one of the many little scientific holes and hardly worth mentioning. It’s a minor one at that. Maybe in a time of interstellar space travel, automated surgeons, androids, etc. the device could take reading of the surrounding conditions and automatically adjust its readings.

Speaking of the atmosphere in the ship and outside, how did the Engineer survive outside with the nasty atmosphere outside on LV-226? Was it his biosuit? Was the atmosphere in the ship only necessary for the development of human compatible DNA? Not likely, as the alien from the original Alien was capable of surviving some nasty conditions.

The scene with the snakes could have been made to be much more terrifying and an asset to the movie if they had, more realistically, been fearful of the freaking hissing ***** alien. That scene was needlessly and curiously stupid. Why?

Why did David terminate the video feed to Charlize from the cockpit of the alien ship? Could he have wanted to go to the Engineer home world by himself in the hope that they could give him a soul?

I’m sure some of my questions would be answered by watching the movie again as well as raise others. That’s what makes this movie so good IMO.

I don't think Shaw was pregnant when they were in route. I think she became pregnant when they had sex after they got there. That's why David was asking if they had intercourse after he had infected Charlie.

As Shaw and her boyfriend have discussed, she is infertile; she is unable to create life.

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I remember. was thinking there might be something more but kind of doubt it now.

Did the ***** alien come from someone hocking a loogie onto the floor with the worms?