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xenomorph + human = badass motherf***er.

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The thing we saw at the end is still mollusk/human. The xenomorphs we know must attach to an insect of some sort that has an egg sac.

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I still don't understand why the black goo would create horrible WMDs in some places and comparatively less lethal ones (humans) in other places.

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I've skipped a little on here but don't think anyone has suggested this. The Engineers' instillation is massive so who is to say the one room they went to with the black goo is the only one with it. It had the xenomorph on the wall in it. Maybe there is another room that has a mural of a human on the wall, and the black goo in that room is a different strain.

I think you're probably correct; that's likely what the writers had in mind. HOWEVER, wouldn't it be a pretty big safety flaw to omit labeling on the product itself? How would you know if the urns got mixed up in the wrong room? Or let's say you have two drops of black goo. The drops look identical -- how do you know which one gives you worms and which one gives you death by dandruff?

Death by dandruff! That's all-some!

That's a good point, but we never saw the other containers (if they exist). They could of been different size or shape. Of course they did show the little one in the beginning that was a different size and shape, but that could of been the convenient deluxe carrying model!

A ton of great behind-the-scenes pics of the Engineers, prosthetics, make-up, etc. While watching the movie, I was curious to see how much was natural muscle vs. a "suit"...

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/2118

Saw the movie last night. A lot of great stuff!

However..

Most of the characters were tag-alongs with almost zero depth.

The biologist and the geologist! Lost, dumb, and not remotely scientific.

The co-pilots! Hang 10 bro and see ya on the other side to settle up!

Overall for this kind of expedition there was almost zero risk management even though it was a 3 trillion dollar plus venture.

I liked this movie and I understand all of the deep thinking bs but it would have been much better if some of the aforementioned little things were tended to and respected.

Lot's of good discussions on here.

I think they tried to cover too much ground in this movie.

Surprised no one has brought up the tie between David and Shaw with regards to her faith. Her strong faith draws David to her while watching her dreams. They go back to it several times throughout the movie.

Vickers reaction to the Christmas tree is another scene that shows her to not be human.

While the movie was intreseting, it was nowhere close to Alien and will not have the following it did 30 years from now.

Anyone catch the part of the movie where Shaw's laying on the ground out on the surface, trying to catch her breath with her helmet on? Well her glove is off and skin is exposed for the whole scene I believe. Then she pops up, glove on.

They REALLY had to cut this scene out of the movie? WTF.

Would have made things a little bit easier to connect if they had left it in.

^ what exactly is the context of that?

I saw it. I was dissapointed. I wouldn't recommend the film.

Haven't read the whole thread, but here are my very simple thoughts.

1) I don't like that they changed what the space jockey was. It is pretty clear from the Alien set that it wasn't a humanoid in a suit.

I think the movie would have been better served by the engineers just being something new. I felt it was forced and led to questions like the ones that bill had on the first page of this thread.

2) Biggest nit I have to pick is that Carbon dating wouldn't work on another planet. I was so disracted by this fact that I didn't really even hear "2000 years"

3) The whole "WMD" thing seemed forced as well. If you were going to kill all humanity at the begining of the common era you wouldn't need the large amount of Goo. It could be done with a single jar.

4) The biologist was pretty unbelievable but the assign guy from the borgias was about what I would expect from a geologist.

And then I have all of the same questions from the video TTCS posted.

In short, I enjoyed it for a SciFi horror movie like the orginal alien but if it would have been a stand alone movie or even just not had the "space jockey" be the engineers the movie would have been a lot better.

oh and charlize is an android. The difference is waylen gave her emotions and free will. Which I think he regretted doing.

I was a little disappointed in the movie. I was really looking forward to it, but left feeling confused. Yeah I've gotten a few answers from reading various sources online, but I don't think that's a good thing.

I think there's a difference between leaving a movie still thinking about what it all meant (Inception) and a movie in which you are confused and thinking what was the point.

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movie was ok. it leaves a lot of room for interpretation and, therefore, another series of films. i think it could be several films before they make the tie-in to alien. regardless, i will probably go watch them all.

Anyone else get a Samus Aran feeling when they constructed Thron's character?

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1) Worm Xeno that looks like a dong (seriously, we took 3 chicks and they all thought it was a ***** reference)

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Well the original Xeno was designed off of some really dark art. I dont have my Alien Quadrilogy handy or I could bring up the hour of from the extras that they talked about the original concept. Essentially the head of the original xenomorph is to resemble a *****. Its very phallic to get that effect. So what was the message under Alien? Rape. Isolation. Death. Even the face-hugger is a type of rape.

Even in Aliens the idea of the queen being the in control of all these rapist aliens, the black "leather" etc. Then the face-off between the two queens. Its all a decent metaphor for sexual assault.

I’ve been giving some thought to how Fox/Scott/Lindelof changed Prometheus from a direct Alien prequel to what it is now, and having seen the movie (twice), and having seen the overwhelmingly confused/unsatisfied reactions, I really do think they made a mistake in not going with a slightly more evolved version of the original plan.

Before Prometheus hit theaters, I was in 100% agreement with Lindelof on this point when he was interviewed about the movie last summer:

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“I’ve always felt that really good prequels should be original movies,” Lindelof says. “You can do movies which take place before Star Wars, but I don’t need to see the story of the Skywalker clan. Show me something else which I can’t guess the possible outcome of.

“There is no suspense in inevitability. So a true prequel should essentially precede the events of the original film, but be about something entirely different, feature different characters, have an entirely different theme, although it takes place in that same world.

“That was my fundamental feeling about what this movie wanted to be.”

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Again, Lindelof’s logic is right on the mark. The problem is, that logic doesn’t necessarily apply to the story they chose to tell, so he basically ended up rendering his point moot. The difference between the Star Wars prequels and Prometheus as a potentially “direct” Alien prequel is that we still wouldn’t have previously known any of the characters - or their fates - in Prometheus. And it’s our investment in the characters that’s truly important, as opposed to the rather inconsequential details of the story. In a romantic comedy, we know the guy and the girl are going to end up together, but we watch because we’re (hopefully) invested in them as characters. There’s suspense in seeing how it’s all going to go down. But Prometheus as a direct prequel wouldn’t have even had that problem. It would have had even more ambiguity than that (in a good way). We still wouldn’t have known the fates of the crew, as opposed to already knowing the fates of Anakin, Obi-Wan, etc. in the Star Wars prequels.

My point being, I don’t see why the movie we were given in Prometheus couldn’t have basically been the exact same story, with the exact same characters, only taking place on LV-446 (the planet in Alien), rather than some new planet invented for Prometheus (LV-223). It would have had the exact same effect - not knowing who’s going to live or die, same investment in goals, etc. - only the Engineer at the end, with a few slight tweaks to the story, could have ended up being the Space Jockey from Alien. To me, that would have been so much more “complete” and satisfying. And then Shaw and David could have still flown off in a separate ship, and we still could have followed them in a sequel (because we’re invested in her wants & desires, and not the technical elements of the story).

As cheap and as tacked on as the Xenomorph reveal was at the end of Prometheus, audiences responded to it, and you could tell they at least liked the idea of getting a glimpse of a Xenomorph in the movie. It was just handled poorly. Imagine how much more effective that final scene would have been had it taken place aboard the crashed ship from Alien, with the Queen Xenomorph bursting out of the Engineer’s chest? I just don’t see why they didn’t take full advantage of that opportunity, considering they could have done the exact same thing they did with the characters, and told basically the exact same story, without compromising the “inevitability” of it all.

Granted, hindsight is 20/20, but from the start, this whole issue really didn’t need to be as complicated as they made it out to be. It was a kind of a no-brainer, actually, and the extra, unnecessary steps taken in distancing Prometheus from Alien just ended up feeling extremely awkward.

Apparently Spaiht’s original draft is going to be included with DVD/Blu-ray release in October, and I’ll be anxious to read it. I have a feeling it’s more or less what this movie probably should have ended up being, but either way, there was definitely more of a happy medium they could have reached than the end result they gave us.

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Not that great.

H. R. Giger had a wild imagination, the artist who orginally created the xeno world.

TCTTS, I agree, but isn't there a strong possiblity that the second or third movie in this new line will end as you describe?

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TCTTS, I agree, but isn't there a strong possiblity that the second or third movie in this new line will end as you describe?

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But that's kind of lends to my point. We've now already seen an Engineer's horseshoe-shaped spaceship crash on a rocky planet in dramatic fashion, ultimately resulting in a Xenomorph bursting from his chest. Do we really want/need to see that again, on a different rocky planet (LV-446), with a different Engineer? Your question basically proves that, in the next movie (if there is one), people are still going to be anticipating that event on some level. So why not have just gotten it over with in Prometheus, so there are zero expectations and a fresh slate to do whatever they want in the sequel? Granted, they may have something super-cool planned, and will somehow arrive at the events on LV-446 in some awesome way that I can can't imagine, but based on how they handled this one, I seriously doubt it.

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TCTTS, I agree, but isn't there a strong possiblity that the second or third movie in this new line will end as you describe?

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Speaking for myself, the problem is that they mishandled this movie so badly that I couldn't care less if there's a second or third movie that ultimately makes everything crystal clear. I suspect there are a significant number of other Prometheus viewers who feel the same way, and that could limit the box office potential for sequels to this prequel.

Just saw it and loved it. Great sci fi movie. Went in not looking for direct connections to Alien and I think that is ultimately why I don't have the gripes that other people have with it. Shaw was very ripley like though. Tougher than everyone else in the end with a complicated relationship with an android.

I agree, G Martin. Really disappointing.

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What makes you say this? The radioactive decay of carbon should happen at the same rate regardless of what planet it's on.

Wow! So many problems with the script as others have mentioned, but, man, I haven't enjoyed a movie experience like this in a long time. I was totally engrossed in the world and love that it wasn't a straight prequel. I'm much more interested in learning about the engineers than seeing events leading up to Alien.

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What makes you say this? The radioactive decay of carbon should happen at the same rate regardless of what planet it's on.

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Yes, but you have to know the initial ratio of carbon isotopes in order to do the calculation.

Or like I said on pg4 of this thread :

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The radio carbon dating wouldn't work on an alien planet without taking a bunch of atmospheric samples and recalibrating the ratio of C14. Plus, since the engineers were in space suits you would probably have to calibrate it for the environment where they actually accumulated most of there carbon mass, which could have been the the modified atmosphere of the ship hanger, their ships, or their home planet. No way you can just jab in the instrument and get a reading on how long the guy has been dead.

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In the distant future, two superpowers control Earth and fight each other for all the solar system's natural resources. When one side dispatches a team to a distant planet to terraform it for human colonization, the team discovers an indigenous race of bio-mechanoid killers.

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From the star telegram...is this the same movie I saw?

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amercer's explanation is about it.

If you want a more detailed explanation here is this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJFQUUmPnA

I see.

Jesus, that movie was complete dog ****.