Southlake Carroll Girls Basketball Coach arrested for sexual assult

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ColoradoMooseHerd
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Maybe you need to take a closer look at Europe
Europe has some major issues going on, Race issues are just the hot topic right now. Racism in Europe is terrible and it is becoming very popular.


Child Porn in Europe is very much a problem, especially in eastern block countries.

Underage drinking is a major problem in europe as is drug use, they just don't define it the same way we do. They don't think some of the underage drinking problems are problems, but they are
ColoradoMooseHerd
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Also there are laws for drinking and smoking in most european countries

England 18 years
France 18 unless with a Parent
Germany 16 for beer, 18 for hard liquor
Holland 18
Russia 18
Sweden 18
ColoradoMooseHerd
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Smoking age in England is 16, but is moving to 18
Canada is 19 years
France has had a 16 year old rule since 2003
Artemis Clyde Frog
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I've been to Italy. Summer study abroad with 90 other A&M students.

No drinking age in Italy.

We'd go to the bars, and it was only us American students getting plastered. The Italians would drink in moderation, and stare in disbelief at the drunken Americans.

But it was good times, nonetheless.

NoACDamnit
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There should not be a hard and fast age of consent,


So how would you legally define what was allowable? Should a mature 6 year old be able to give consent to a 40 year old man?

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Europe doesn't have any age limits regarding these things


Dead wrong.

Age of consent in

England : 16
France : 15
Germany : 16
Spain : 13
Italy : 14
Denmark : 15
Norway : 16

This list could go on and on. There isn't a European country that DOESN'T have an age of consent law.

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No drinking age in Italy.


Wrong again, it's 16. Poland is the only European country with no drinking age but they do have restrictions.

[This message has been edited by NoACDamnit (edited 7/4/2006 4:40a).]
nbbob
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Sounds like this guy should go coach in Italy.
RayRay99
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And she'll suffer no consequences as a result...except probably no one will ask her to Prom

I disagree, there will be plenty of guys who want to take the sloot to Prom.
Kramer
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I think everybody will admit that the guy was wrong. I don't think that's an issue. You can't be a teacher and be dating a student.

However, should it really be a felony? I mean, if it's forced or the victim is unreasonably young, then OK, but as a former teacher I can tell you that there are LOTS of these types of things that go on, and as we've seen, it's not just males. Most last a few months and then go away. Even if the school knows, most do not pursue these cases if, like in this case, it's a relatively young teacher and a relatively old student (16+) due to the legal costs involved. It's easier for the district to basically tell the teacher that they know what was going on and the teacher needs to go away. The teacher gets the crap scared out of them, they move on, and hopefully they learn their lesson. This is not always the case.

Also, there are LOTS of married husbands and wives that first knew (not in a dating way) each other as teacher/student. I personally know of several couples. Now they didn't start seeing each other until afterwards, so that makes it OK. In fact, 2 didn't start seeing each other until WAY (2-3 years) after. The other basically acknowledged there was an attraction there (there was 3 years difference in age) while they were student/teacher, but made the conscious choice to basically stay away from each other (they didn't talk about it, but she said she could tell what he was doing when he changed the way he started acting toward her aka he wasn't as friendly, didn't joke around, etc.). Graduation night came, he was there and left her a little note on her car. She called him up and they dated for 3 years before getting married.

At any rate, I don't think it's professional to have a relationship with a student that is 16+. It's not good for the student or the class. However, I think it's borderline immoral, just like I think it's probably borderline immoral for a 25 year old to date an 18 year old. It depends on what they're after. People have different maturity levels. Girls are typically older than guys at that stage of life, so it's natural that they are looking for someone older (aka more mature). Add in a guy who's maturity level is a little under what the average guy is, and there you go. Also, some of these people are in it for a f*** and some are actually interested in pursuing a relationship. Does it make college guys that are trolling for an easy HS f*** a crime? No. It just depends on intentions, and that's where it starts getting gray.

So personally, I think that a relationship with a 16+ year old student should result in the loss of the teaching license and misdemeanor. Losing your job and being unable to work in most of the profession ever again is no slap on the wrist. I think DWI is a MUCH more serious infraction than this, but people do that every day and end up with a suspended license and a heavy fine.

Now if it becomes a habitual thing, that's another story. You get busted more than once and then I think you have to start looking at some LIGHT jail time, increasing in severity from there on.

However, for ANY legal remedy to apply, you have to have school districts that are willing to bring charges (aka put someone on leave while an investigation occurs). Right now, schools are too scared of doing that to someone and the investigation turning up squat. At that point, the teacher and the teacher's union will basically bend the ISD over.
BostonAg74
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In this particular case, it appears the guy is a serial offender, and don't forget the fact that he is not just a kid fresh out of school. I agree that every case should be judged on its own merits, but I do believe that there is a threshold at which the offense becomes much more than "a mistake", and I also believe that it's quite possible that the facts in this case could prove that such a threshold was crossed. If that is the case, and it is proven in a court of law, I don't think that a felony charge, loss of teacher's license, registration as a sex offender and jail time are out of line.
Pro Ag
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Some of you peole forget how impressionable (sp?) young people can be. For a coach (or any other adult with any type of authority position) to use that authority, willingly or unwillingly, to get a piece of ass it a son of a *****.

I think it's creepy when a 30+ year-old would date someone that's under 21. It may be legal, but in my opinion the guy's got something wrong with him.

That said, this guy took advantage of his position to get laid. While the girl didn't fight it, he should know better as an adult, teacher, coach. May something horrible happen to him.
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Chase
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Not that anyone has brought it up, but the Southlake superintendent is a personal friend and, despite only being on the job since Dec 2005 and my inability to "actually" speak for him, I can assure that this sort of thing is nothing he would stand by for. He also wouldn't have approved the hire of the bargain-priced, talented coach given the coach's past, either, but the previous administration's hires sometimes come with the territory and I really feel for him right now. He's a good man and he'll see Southlake through this.
 
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