The Chronicle did a story a few years back about how this if covered up with coaches. It was a series I think. Probably too old to find.

He should have creditials revoked forever. She is too young to consent so this is a for sure criminal case.

Did he actually get convicted of sexual assault at the other schools? Either way, the guy's a sick son of a b*tch.

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/01/coaches/index.html

Here is a link to the series that is five years old--yet it is still going on.

99.999 percent of high school coaches are the finest men and women on this planet--they love their jobs in the right sort of way.

But the aricle claims that a good old boy network keeps hiring these scummy ones-perhaps because the good guys can't believe it is really happenning?

I tutor my neighbor's daughter, who is 14, in math. I sometimes get a little worried about what people may think if they see her coming over to our house routinely.


As far is this coach is concerned, what he did is wrong but not as bad as raping a 7 year old or something. I agree though that he can't be trusted hanging around a bunch of teenage girls.

Was the girl 16? Or 17? The age of consent is 17 in TX.

Not saying it makes it right, but if she's a few months older and not a student at that school, their relationship is technically legal (although not morally right, IMO).

Just saying that, like others have pointed out, if the roles were reversed and it was a female coach with a 16-year-old student, people wouldn't be calling the female coach a monster who should be killed.

It is a felony in Texas for a high school teacher to have relations with students regardless of age.

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Not saying it makes it right, but if she's a few months older and not a student at that school, their relationship is technically legal

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What he did was wrong, but really, there's no need to overreact.

If the girl was 16, she knew what was going on. It wasn't like this was some kind of surprise for her. Most likely, she was quite willing.

So why are we hearing people call for his head? If it was an 18 year old boy in his place, no one would have a problem. They wouldn't be saying the girl was too young to choose.

What he did isn't much worse than if a manager sleeps with one of his/her direct reports.

You don't have kids, do you solid?

I got fired as a coach for a hs girls basketball team, so they could bring in another guy that apparantly said all the right things to the AD and Prin. I found out later that he was telling them I 'acted innapropriately' with the girls. Turns out, for the two years he was there, he slept with about 14 girls, most of them on the basketball team.

He was married, and his wife even worked at Hooter's. If I ever see that sum***** again...

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No, but the girls basketball coach stole my V from me in high school [/solidt05]

Goose,

No I don't. I'm quite thankful that I don't at this point in my life.

I can understand why parents would be outraged. It's a natural emotional reaction. But it's an emotional reaction to it.

If they were to look at it from a 3rd person's view, they would see that maybe the problem isn't that a coach slept with their daughter. Maybe the real problem is that their daughter slept with the coach.

The coach is in the wrong, but there's also something wrong with their daughter.

Of course, if it comes out that therewas some kind of quid pro quo arrangement, then it's much worse for the coach. But in the absence of such a situation, the daughter has some issues.


Aggiedave, what crawled up your ass and laid eggs?

I remember when I was 16. I certainly had the capacity to make a conscious choice as to whether or not to sleep with a teacher.

I'm not excusing this coach's behavior, but I'm just saying...this girl knew what she was doing, and she chose to do it. And she'll suffer no consequences as a result...except probably no one will ask her to Prom.

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this girl knew what she was doing, and she chose to do it. And she'll suffer no consequences as a result...except probably no one will ask her to Prom.

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That's the thing about it. She was just as much a party to it as the coach. This wasn't forced.

Her reputation will be ruined, but she's 16. I would guess that a girl that age knows plenty about gossip and how it can ruin a reputation. She did something she shouldn't have done, and now her reputation is trash.

But why call for the coach's head? Don't let him teach or work with young people, since he's got a real problem with keeping professional distance. But there's no reason he should be tarred and feathered and run out of town.

If it's a felony for a teacher to sleep with a student, shouldn't it also be a felony for a student to sleep with a teacher?

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It is a felony in Texas for a high school teacher to have relations with students regardless of age.

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I read an article recently where a teacher - I think in another state - was challenging laws such as this on the grounds that they are are unconstitutional, violating the implicit right to privacy between two consenting adults. At face value, I think that argument may have merit.


By the way, for those that don't know, Dennis Franchione was a football coach at a high school where now-wife Kim was a varsity cheerleader. Officially, they didn't start talking or dating until after she graduated.


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Aggiedave, what crawled up your ass and laid eggs?

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It's sarcasm.

It's his tapeworm talking

you know you laughed

WTF

SolidT- You realize the guy commited statutory rape, right?

Remove the student/teacher relationship and you still have a felony.

This girl is 16.

So at what age do you think statutory should be?

17, 16, 15, 14....?

At some point it's an adult taking advantage of a child and it's against the law.

I'm sure he could have seduced a 13 year old with low self esteem. I'm sure that a 13 year old would know it would be wrong too, so then would it be okay?

Geez, dudes.

It's past your bedtime, Southlake.

There's a big difference between 13 and 16.

It's always hard to know where to draw the line.

But in this case, at 16, she knew what she was doing and she did it of her own free will. She can deal with the consequences.

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No it's not. We're not dealing with opinions and some grey area here. We're dealing with law. And the law says this is on the wrong side of the line.

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Not according to the law.

The problem with this whole fiasco is the 16 yr old sloot probably looked like a 21 year old porn star. Yeah, I know, it's still wrong. And on that note, I am getting another beer.

The girl was on his team, he may not have held her down, but that doesn't mean that she could easily say no. The problem is that he had a position which could be used to take advantage of her and that is how it will appear to most people.

Like AC said. It's simply the law.

Perhaps you think you shouldnt get a speeding ticket for going 2 miles over the limit, but you're still breaking the law.

Again, my point is missed.

The point is...there is difficulty inherent in having to draw a line that separates right from wrong, especially when considering the fact that human beings are inherently different in terms of maturity and responsibility.

The drinking age is a good example. Is someone who is 20 years and 364 days old less responsible or less mature than someone who is 21 years and 1 day old?

Is a girl 16 years and 364 days old less capable of making sexual decisions than a girl who is 2 days older...?

we are talking about a 16 yr old with a 35ish guy... no a 16 yr old with a 19 yr old

on top of that... he is but in a position of power over these kiddios and him compromising that power is unacceptable as well...

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Your point is about what the law should be. What we think it should be does not matter. What it IS matters.

Dude, I know you post on the B&P board. Since when was a discussion about the law and its appropriateness not suitable material?

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Yes, the law is what it is. Which is too bad.

Tell me how someone an hour shy of their 17th birthday is any different an hour later.

Therein lies the inherent stupidity of black and white laws (e.g. 18 to vote, 21 to drink, etc.)

But can there be a better system than just naming an age? What other criteria would be used?

There should not be a hard and fast age of consent, age to buy cigs, age to buy booze, or age to do anything.

Europe doesn't have any age limits regarding these things. Are all those countries a haven for immorality? Hardly.

Maturity and responsiblity should be the deciding factor. But where do those values come from? The parents. And seeing how absolutely PATHETIC parenting is in America, it's no wonder we need arbitrary age limits for everything.