Moore says Fahrenheit success mind-boggling

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TAMU98AG
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To further clarify.

1. Was not trying to be classy.
2. Still mean what I wrote earlier.
3. Not attempting to meet your approval.

Carry on.
Emotional Support Cobra
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Shrek 2 was good. Better than Shrek 1 if you ask me.
mhayden_original
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To the people trying to bash the movie because it "barely beat White Chicks out" or had "no competition this weekend", give me a break.

Highest grossing documentary of all time -- after only 5 days.

And a $27,558 per theater average ranks SECOND *ALL TIME* for a wide release.

Love or hate the movie, to say that its box office performance this weekend was anything less of incredible is just ignoring the facts.
Bunk Moreland
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just got back from it, don't worry I didn't pay a cent to see it.

Horrible. So many times I counted that refuted his points(and I'm only 17), from the blacking out of names on the reports, to the whole "war president" scene, etc. etc.

Unbelievably, the whole theater practically erupts in applaud after the movie. Myself, along with my friends, were just dumbfounded at how naive and stupid some people in America really are.
PatAg
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any group of people that give a movie a standing ovation, does not deserve to go on living
ashleyschaeffer
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Again...mhayden...it is not a documentary, it received more free hype than any other movie this year shy of The Passion, and yes it barely beat White Chicks.

Expect a huge drop off as all of the anti-war hippies, and bush haters blew their wad this weekend.

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quote:
The film was eye opening.


I bet a "documentary" on Clinton's presidency would be pretty "eye opening." And probably any other president for that matter.

The fact that the film gets a standing ovation is a testament to the ignorance of the average American, kinda sad actually.

If Moore is so concerned about congressmen's son's joining the millitary, why doesn't he join himself? Man up and prove yourself MM, or how about just a simple "thank you" for all the men and women that have sacraficed their LIFES for YOUR freedom.
4stringAg
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I wonder how all those standing and applauding his flick feel about this:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/26/103545.shtml
rjhtamu
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What a ****ing spiteful piece of ****. If he hates this country and us so much, get the hell out. I won't miss you in France with your cronies.
CollegeFootballGuru
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http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4845919.html

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/news.html

WASHINGTON, D.C.-- Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore said Thursday that he edited a Minnesota congressman's words out of his movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11," because "He didn't answer the question."

Rep. Mark Kennedy, R-Minn., fired back by accusing Moore of lying about their filmed encounter.

He said Moore "recounted to reporters a conversation between us that never took place."

Moore's comments, on the eve of the film's opening today, came in response to earlier criticism by Kennedy that his answers were cut from a segment of the film where he was asked about how many members of Congress have children serving in Iraq.

Moore said that despite the hard feelings, the Kennedy scene is one of the movie's "funniest" moments.

Kennedy "looked at me like I'm crazy," Moore said, in a new account of their meeting that differs significantly from an earlier transcript provided by the film's producers. "He'll get a big laugh and Republicans will agree with him."

Kennedy called Moore "a master of the misleading" after he saw a film clip of Moore's ambush-style interview of him.

In it, Moore is shown asking Kennedy to help him get members of Congress to get their kids to enlist in the military and fight in Iraq.

According to Kennedy, he told Moore that he had a nephew on his way to Afghanistan.

In fact, Kennedy says, he has had two nephews in the military, with his own son considering a career in the Navy.

Kennedy's side of the conversation, however, was cut from the film, leaving him looking bewildered and defensive.

In a Capitol Hill appearance Thursday, Moore denied censoring Kennedy's remarks because they didn't fit into the premise of his film, as Kennedy charges.

"He mentioned that he had a nephew that was going over to Afghanistan," Moore recounted. "So then I said 'No, no, that's not our job here today. We want you to send your child to Iraq. Not a nephew.' "

A transcript of the exchange -- posted on Moore's Web site -- does not include the same dialogue Moore related to reporters.

The transcript also quotes Kennedy telling Moore that he'd be happy to help in his recruitment drive, a promise that the film's producers say Kennedy failed to keep.



http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5C%5CSpecialReports%5C%5Carchive%5C%5C200406%5C%5CSPE20040601a.html

When Bush-Bashers Collide? Moore's Film at Odds with Clarke Remarks
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
June 01, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - One of the central charges made by left-wing filmmaker Michael Moore in his upcoming, Bush-bashing film is being undermined by another critic of the president -- former White House counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke.

Moore's upcoming film, Fahrenheit 911, points to President Bush's rumored relationship with Saudi officials as the motivating factor in the president allegedly allowing relatives of terror mastermind Osama bin Laden to fly out of the country following the Sept.11, 2001 terror attacks.

But Clarke recently admitted that he alone approved the exit of the bin Laden kin -- damaging the key premise of Moore's film.

Chris Horner, a GOP strategist, finds irony in the fact that the credibility of Moore's film is being undermined by one of Bush's biggest critics even before the film is released in the United States.

"When self-promoting, Bush-hating conspiracy theorists collide," Horner said of Moore and Clarke.

"One self-promoting, Bush-hating conspiracy theorist (Clarke) proves the undoing of another Bush-hating conspiracy theorist (Moore)," Horner told CNSNews.com.

Moore has alleged in interviews promoting the film that Bush and his father, former president George H.W. Bush, had close ties to the Saudis, which led to the decision to help bin Laden's family leave the country following the terrorist attacks.

Clarke's sworn testimony before the 9/11 Commission in March, describing how the FBI approved the flights for the bin Ladens and other Saudis to leave the U.S., may have strengthened that premise. But Clarke's interview with The Hill newspaper, published on May 26, contradicted that previous testimony.

The decision to approve the flights, Clarke admitted last week, had been his own. The request "didn't get any higher than me," he told The Hill .

"On 9-11, 9-12 and 9-13, many things didn't get any higher than me. I decided it in consultation with the FBI," Clarke said of the plane flight carrying bin Laden's relatives.

"I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again," he added. The Saudis and bin Laden's relatives were flown from the U.S. out of fear for their safety following the terror attacks.

Clarke turned against the Bush administration and became a darling of the left earlier this year when he criticized the government's anti-terror policies. His book Against All Enemies : Inside America's War on Terror , detailed his frustrations working in the administration, and news clips of Clarke appear in Moore's documentary, according to film critics who have screened the movie.

But Moore's film relies in part on Clarke's original comments, the ones he has now contradicted.

According to a movie review by the BBC, one of the film's "chief accusations is Bush allowed planes to pick up 24 members of the bin Laden family and fly them out of the U.S. in the days following the attacks - when all other aircraft were grounded."

The BBC review states that the movie explores "the relationships between the Bush and bin Laden dynasties."

Fahrenheit 911 received a 10-minute standing ovation and the top award at the Cannes Film Festival in France in May. It is expected that the film will be released in the U.S. in July.

While promoting the documentary, Moore has not been shy in linking Bush's alleged "relationship" with the bin Laden family to the flight that took the bin Ladens and other Saudis from the U.S. following Sept. 11, 2001.

"So here is Bush trying to deal with everything on Sept. 11, 12 13th, you know. You remember, everybody remembers the total state of chaos and people, just everyone, all of us, discombobulated by the whole thing, and he had the time to be thinking -- what can I do to help the bin Ladens right now," Moore told Pacifica radio last October.

"And all of these elaborate plans were made, because [the Saudis] were spread out throughout the country, to be able to pick them up, get them to Boston and then get them to Paris," Moore said.

"While we are being told that the hunt is on for Osama bin Laden, what is really going on is when you got 24 bin Ladens here, (a disputed number) you know, none of them are asked for any kind of help. None of them are interrogated, and they are given the royal red carpet treatment in the days after September 11th. My question is why? What is really going on here?" Moore asked.

But Horner believes Moore's film will eventually be discredited.

"In his rush to ensure that no credit goes un-annexed, Clarke exposes Moore's rant as based on paranoia and the presumptions common among fever-swamp liberals that never survive the slightest encounter with facts," he said.

Horner sees Clarke's admission and its impact on the credibility of Fahrenheit 9/11 as just the latest setback for what he calls the "conspiratorial left" in the past year.

"First [former Democratic presidential candidate] Howard Dean implodes in a fury. Then Clarke bombs, and then the [Al] Franken/[Al] Gore political MoveOn-ment (MoveOn.org) lashes itself to the hilariously hapless [global warming disaster film] The Day After Tomorrow . And then there is the collective failure of [the liberal] Air America radio," Horner explained.

"Now Moore's movie's premises are revealed to be nothing more than huffing liberal anger. Every weapon in the pacifist arsenal has proven, fittingly, a dud," Horner charged.


BusterAg
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interesting article about the lack of journalistic integrity of Moores films:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
BusterAg
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To quote Tanya:

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You can't argue about(...)The Passion(...)[of]Michal Moore.



or how about:

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One congressment told him(..)to push(...)his weight(...)in.
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mhayden_original
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Again...mhayden...it is not a documentary, it received more free hype than any other movie this year shy of The Passion, and yes it barely beat White Chicks.


Alright, so ignore that... How about that at a $27,558 per theater average it ranks SECOND *ALL TIME* for a wide release.

Again, whether you like the movie or not -- anyone trying to put down the incredible success this movie had this weekend is simply looking for a reason to bash it. If you didn't like what it was about -- more power to ya... But don't say that it didn't really do all that well this weekend, cause thats just plan idiotic.
CollegeFootballGuru
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http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Yes, these are two different movies but they're both spliced garbage.

BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE

Documentary or Fiction?

-David T. Hardy-

Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" won the Oscar for best documentary. Unfortunately, it is not a documentary, by the Academy's own definition.

The injustice here is not so much to the viewer, as to the independent producers of real documentaries. These struggle in a field which receives but a fraction of the recognition and financing of the "entertainment industry." They are protected by Academy rules limiting the documentary competition to nonfiction.

Bowling is fiction. It makes its points by deceiving and by misleading the viewer. Statements are made which are false. Moore leads the reader to draw inferences which he must have known were wrong. Indeed, even speeches shown on screen are heavily edited, so that sentences are assembled in the speaker's voice, but which were not sentences he uttered. Bowling uses deception as its primary tool of persuasion and effect.

A film which does this may be a commercial success. It may be entertaining. But it is not a documentary. One need only consult Rule 12 of the rules for the Academy Award: a documentary is a non-fictional movie.

The point is not that Bowling is biased. No, the point is that Bowling is deliberately, seriously, and consistently deceptive.



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BostonAg74
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Again, I'm no fan of Michael Moore, but how is what he is doing any different from David Bossie produced political ads, what you hear from Limbaugh or Michael Savage, what Ann Coulter does, or what Hannity and O'Reilly do? All of the above make a living by pandering to their base through half truths, selective editing, intentionally shoddy research, misleading statements and outright lies. Why should Moore be singled out? He is simply playing the game by the rules that have already been established by others.

And as I said before, the most damaging footage in F-9/11 is that which simply shows Bush being Bush. No commentary is necessary.
JMPJR00
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I was so glad to read this on Michael Moore's website. It gave me hope that my school and its town is not totally filled with the closed-minded persons that seem to dominate the political climate at texags.com

Per http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/breakingnews/index.php?id=32

College Station:
"I am in College Station Texas, home of A&M, the heart of Aggieland. We have a street named after George Bush and a building named after Barbara. My husband and I had no party, we werent apart of any large gathering. But we went Friday afternoon. Mr. Moore the place was packed, there were even one or two people sitting on the floor! When we left the first evening show already had a very long line, and there was even a tv camera out front. And I, originally from the north, had worried about the films reception. We all laughed and cried, applauded and gasped together. I have seen all of your movies, and I honestly knew most of the facts about 911 and Bush that you shared with us. But the way you put it together, your humor and your humanity, your integrity and dedication to the truth....this has touched us all. This is the best thing you have ever done. Your movie will be a hugely contributing factor to this administrations downfall, and for that I thank you more than I can ever truly express. Seeing your movie hurt my heart, but that kind of jarring is just what this nation needs."--R.

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CollegeFootballGuru
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jmp,

Every place has nieve dumbasses..
Bunk Moreland
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exactly. Naive people are all over the world, it appears. Moore twisted almost every single fact in the movie. The "war president" scene, was actually from Bush answering sarcastically to a question that someone asked him, Moore never showed the question, or the rest of Bush's answer, just the cut and paste of what he wanted. Bush cancelled an $11 Million project that the Carlyle group ran that was worth boat loads of money, the same project that Clinton pushed for years. But, I thought Bush got a bunch of money off of the Carlyle group? How does that...make..sense?? There are 7(I think) congressman who have children in service, not 1. When someone's personal military records are made public, they are made public about that person and that person only. when the Preident's were made public, they had to blacken out any other names that weren't George W. Bush. Of course, MM says that the Bush Administration blacked the name out so no one would get behind some huge scheme that Pres. Bush is pretty much screwing around with the Presidency for more money for he and his father to gain and to keep relations with the Saudis so they can continue to make more money. Bush NEVER made the decision to let the Bin Laden family members leave the country on 9/13/01. Clarke did. The list goes on and on, and MM still claims that none of his documentary is false, it's 100% true, and nothing was twisted....Here is an Email I received from someone, and it goes well with the whole part of MM blaming the war with Iraq on Bush, and then saying "Iraq never attacked us."
These...unlike MM's documentary, are facts...

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There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following.

FDR.

Led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost an average of 112,500 per year.

Also ignored the plight of Jews in concentration camps, he knew in 1943 and 1944 and interned Japanese Americans.

> Truman...

Finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea NEVER attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year. Truman gave a speech in the UN and said the US had no long term interest in the Inchon Peninsula, six months later the North Koreans attacked the south.

> John F. Kennedy...

Started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam NEVER attacked us. "Had the Vietnamese president assassinated, or knew about it from CIA field agents and didn't act to stop it



> Johnson...

Turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. When the going got tough, hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids died today? Well, LBJ quit.



Nixon

Kept us in Vietnam about three years too long to get 'peace with honor’.



> Carter

Iran invaded our embassy, that's US Territory folks. He micromanaged a rescue operation, didn't let the on site commander make decisions. Failed miserably. Then he retreated from any world activities. Are we or are we not the major world power?



> Clinton...

Went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia NEVER attacked us.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. I don't think I need to say a lot about Somalia. The troops asked for armor and Les Aspin, Clinton s Secretary of Defense denied it. Dead Americans in the streets. What happened? The troops were ordered out. That's showing them!



> Bush 43

In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ...

Liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

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The Democrats

Are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...



It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation. Remember the dead children there in

Waco? How about the Ruby Ridge killing of three people, who were wanted on 'weapons violations’? One of whom was a baby.



We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.



It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. Ted said the car was underwater, pictures taken on scene and available today, show the rear wheels of the car sticking out of the water. Koepechne suffocated, didn't drown. Those facts are now available. What a man!



It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

After the recount, not reported in major news outlets, Bush won by more votes.

Also, do you remember that Gore and the Democratic Party filed a lawsuit to prevent counting of overseas American military votes? I haven't forgotten.




Our President is doing a GOOD JOB

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

I cannot wait until "Michael Moore Hates America" comes out.

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JMPJR00
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Michael Moore does not hate America. Anyone even vaguely familiar with him, his filmology, or his writings would know that he has great dislike and sadness for what is happening to and in his/your/my country.

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Bunk Moreland
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ohh...so that's why he leaves the country and bashes everyone saying to different places about how America has "the dumbest people in America" etc...the freedoms of America allowed him to be as well off as he is, yet I rarely hear him talk about anything positive with America.

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CollegeFootballGuru
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jmp, see my post above... You're one of the people I was speaking of.

I have a friend that is left as they come but at least he knows moore is full of ****.

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mhayden_original
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And everyone has a friend that is as "right as they come" that agrees that the film brings up some very interesting facts.

Most of us realize that "friend" qualifier means absolutely nothing
ashleyschaeffer
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Are you serious JMP...sheesh just read this thread...again.

Folks like you have your head up your a...er head in the sand.

This has actually become laughable, outlets everywhere are breaking his movie down point by point, Moore is continuously exposed for his lies and half-truths...all of which is at your finger tips within this thread alone...and there are still people that hoist this guy up. It really is sad.

CollegeFootballGuru
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mhayden,

Facts, hahahahahha.
Bunk Moreland
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Tanya 93
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Austin Aggie

You might want to do a little studying of what you are cut and pasting next time.

Ruby Ridge didn't occur under Clinton.
CollegeFootballGuru
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Austin,

Hayden was talking about my post, he wasn't disputing your facts. I was laughing at his response of moore's movie actually having "facts."



Bunk Moreland
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you're right tanya, clinton was gov of Arkansas when that occured. Thanks for catching that.

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