Know Your Enemy said:

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hypeiv said:

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I think everyone should have a doctor they trust and should probably go with what they recommend

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I prefer to listen to podcast hosts and politicians who never went to medical school.

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Please, I get all my medical information from America's highest ranking doctor.

Dr. Jill Biden.

No crap. They don't let average looking intelligent people by pharma reps.

Their only job is to be doctor eye candy.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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No crap. They don't let average looking intelligent people by pharma reps.

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wut?

Tatem said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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No crap. They don't let average looking intelligent people by pharma reps.

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wut?

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Clearly I'm not intelligent either since I can't type.

boy09 said:

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southernskies said:

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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I will never get tired of posting this. Smug doctors were wrong and the vaccines for covid were a cash grab by unscrupulous big pharma.

Now the CV-19 vaccinated people have opened themselves up to a litany of side effects while the purebloods get to say I told you so.

Lol. The unvaccinated are still dying and getting massive Covid side effects at far higher per capita rates than the vaccinated.

Also, "pure bloods"? Are you a Harry Potter villain?

I've only seen about 200 interviews with infected, obese, young Red State adults telling me that they thought Covid was a hoax, but if they could catch it, so could I, so I'd better get vaccinated...

But we live in a society where you're allowed your own set of facts, so your picture is perfect.

Weak troll is weak, OP.

Sapper Redux said:

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Lol. The unvaccinated are still dying and getting massive Covid side effects at far higher per capita rates than the vaccinated.

Also, "pure bloods"? Are you a Harry Potter villain?

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Yes. Next question.

Not a troll post here. I'm having a kid in the very near future and this is a topic my wife and I are discussing heavily. To be clear again, I'm not talking about the covid vax, rather the regular vaccines that children get from birth through high school. I already made my decision about the covid vax 3 years ago.

The data is unequivocal as to the efficacy of the vaccines. They work and they prevent horrid diseases, the effects of which people seem to have forgotten thanks to the prevalence of vaccines.

3 kids. We vaccinate on whatever schedule KidDoc recommends. Unless your kid has a medical reason to not vaccinate, why wouldn't you?

Sapper Redux said:

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Lol. The unvaccinated are still dying and getting massive Covid side effects at far higher per capita rates than the vaccinated.

Also, "pure bloods"? Are you a Harry Potter villain?

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And no they are not.


Edit: Sidenote, the vaccines here in the US sound legit af

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-judge-ordered-fda-to-release-covid-19-vaccine-data-pronto

southernskies said:

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Not a troll post here. I'm having a kid in the very near future and this is a topic my wife and I are discussing heavily. To be clear again, I'm not talking about the covid vax, rather the regular vaccines that children get from birth through high school. I already made my decision about the covid vax 3 years ago.

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Just watch some more Youtube vids and/or listen to more podcasts (especially Candace Owen) and eventually you'll arrive at the right choice. Whatever you do, DON'T solicit advice from a libtard medical professional or consult decades of data re: vaccines.

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Not a troll post here. I'm having a kid in the very near future and this is a topic my wife and I are discussing heavily. To be clear again, I'm not talking about the covid vax, rather the regular vaccines that children get from birth through high school. I already made my decision about the covid vax 3 years ago.

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Shouldn't even be a topic. With the influx of human debris from all parts of the planet, diseases that were once uncommon in the US are making a comeback, and although they were once just thought of as "part of childhood" some are nonetheless potentially horrific on kids.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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boy09 said:

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southernskies said:

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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I will never get tired of posting this. Smug doctors were wrong and the vaccines for covid were a cash grab by unscrupulous big pharma.

Now the CV-19 vaccinated people have opened themselves up to a litany of side effects while the purebloods get to say I told you so.

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Oh, the doctors are the smug ones??

boy09 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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boy09 said:

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southernskies said:

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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I will never get tired of posting this. Smug doctors were wrong and the vaccines for covid were a cash grab by unscrupulous big pharma.

Now the CV-19 vaccinated people have opened themselves up to a litany of side effects while the purebloods get to say I told you so.

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Oh, the doctors are the smug ones??

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The ones peddling the covid vax the past few years were, they've gotten a lot quieter now though.

Have they? Or are you guys just really loud?

southernskies said:

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Not a troll post here. I'm having a kid in the very near future and this is a topic my wife and I are discussing heavily. To be clear again, I'm not talking about the covid vax, rather the regular vaccines that children get from birth through high school. I already made my decision about the covid vax 3 years ago.

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I only clicked this thread to see if it was the echo chamber I thought it would be, but there are a few dissenting voices.

I am only responding because you seem to ask a sincere question. I stopped all vaccines for my kids and myself 10 years ago. Big Pharma are liers, and have been from the beginning. That is the piece people over look. Look into the history of the pharma industry, they do not care about your health. Covid shots were lies, swine flu, bird flu, Spanish flu, THE flu. All lies.

Sorry for the interruption. I hope you enjoy calling me all sorts of names. IDGAF

BTW, we are all perfectly healthy. No weird allergies, gut problems, skin issues, neurological problems, etc, and rarely get sick.

Coin said:

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southernskies said:

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Not a troll post here. I'm having a kid in the very near future and this is a topic my wife and I are discussing heavily. To be clear again, I'm not talking about the covid vax, rather the regular vaccines that children get from birth through high school. I already made my decision about the covid vax 3 years ago.

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I only clicked this thread to see if it was the echo chamber I thought it would be, but there are a few dissenting voices.

I am only responding because you seem to ask a sincere question. I stopped all vaccines for my kids and myself 10 years ago. Big Pharma are liers, and have been from the beginning. That is the piece people over look. Look into the history of the pharma industry, they do not care about your health. Covid shots were lies, swine flu, bird flu, Spanish flu, THE flu. All lies.

Sorry for the interruption. I hope you enjoy calling me all sorts of names. IDGAF

BTW, we are all perfectly healthy. No weird allergies, gut problems, skin issues, neurological problems, etc, and rarely get sick.

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I hope you do not encounter whooping cough, or tetanus, or a few others that are no fun as an adult or child.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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boy09 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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boy09 said:

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southernskies said:

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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I will never get tired of posting this. Smug doctors were wrong and the vaccines for covid were a cash grab by unscrupulous big pharma.

Now the CV-19 vaccinated people have opened themselves up to a litany of side effects while the purebloods get to say I told you so.

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Oh, the doctors are the smug ones??

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The ones peddling the covid vax the past few years were, they've gotten a lot quieter now though.

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The Covid vaccine is going to be added to the standard schedule of vaccines. It looks like they may focus on the bivalent shots and phase out the original vaccine due to mutations in the virus. This is how science works. What the hell are you talking about?

Sapper Redux said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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boy09 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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boy09 said:

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southernskies said:

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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I will never get tired of posting this. Smug doctors were wrong and the vaccines for covid were a cash grab by unscrupulous big pharma.

Now the CV-19 vaccinated people have opened themselves up to a litany of side effects while the purebloods get to say I told you so.

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Oh, the doctors are the smug ones??

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The ones peddling the covid vax the past few years were, they've gotten a lot quieter now though.

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The Covid vaccine is going to be added to the standard schedule of vaccines. It looks like they may focus on the bivalent shots and phase out the original vaccine due to mutations in the virus. This is how science works. What the hell are you talking about?

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The uptake in healthy kids is very very low, last time I checked under 25%. I don't see hardly any of my patient population getting COVID vaccine in young kids without serious medical conditions.

Are you saying all vaccines are lies, or are you legitimately trying to say Spanish flu/H1N1 is a lie?

I feel so bad for the children of anti-vaxxers.

HossAg said:

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I feel so bad for the children of anti-vaxxers.

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But they are the PURE BLOODS. We should all be jealous of them.

boy09 said:

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southernskies said:

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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now do the "everything the msm says is true" crowd

HossAg said:

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I feel so bad for the children of anti-vaxxers.

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Ok but the vax is worse than getting sick

Whooping cough is no joke. I got it as an adult and wanted to die. It took months to recover. I was vaccinated but got it anyways.

AggieVictor10 said:

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HossAg said:

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I feel so bad for the children of anti-vaxxers.

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Ok but the vax is worse than getting sick

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Anti-vax is not only referring to the idiots who think the Covid vaccine is dangerous. I'm mostly talking about the even more rare idiot who thinks all vaccines are dangerous.

I shouldn't laugh, but I did...

HossAg said:

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AggieVictor10 said:

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HossAg said:

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I feel so bad for the children of anti-vaxxers.

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Ok but the vax is worse than getting sick

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Anti-vax is not only referring to the idiots who think the Covid vaccine is dangerous. I'm mostly talking about the even more rare idiot who thinks all vaccines are dangerous.

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Thank you Hoss very cool.

AggieVictor10 said:

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HossAg said:

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I feel so bad for the children of anti-vaxxers.

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Ok but the vax is worse than getting sick

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AggieVictor10 said:

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boy09 said:

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southernskies said:

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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now do the "everything the msm says is true" crowd

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So that's the other option in your eyes? I prefer to listen to medical professionals who have studied and practiced medicine for most of their lives and actually reviewed the raw data from testing. I don't listen to MSM, podcast hosts, politicians, or anyone else. What qualifications does Candace ****ing Owens have with regards to vaccines of any kind?

Do doctors actually read massive study reports and analyze results independently? Or do they rely on FDA approval as their safeguard?

My problem with modern medicine is the one size fits all approach that most seem to take. I've gotten some very strange looks for asking deeper questions to some doctors. My philosophy is 1) preventative maintenance through diet and 2) seek natural remedies first before reverting to medicine. But most doctors just listen to your symptoms, check their roladex for the right drug, write prescription, escort you to the admin for payment.

Hell, not saying telehealth is horrible, but I've used a telehealth app through insurance, pairs me with some random doctor, talk to you for 5-10min and write like 3 prescriptions for me. Medicine should be more personal than that. But this is another way for medical companies to generate revenue. Just think about it, they aren't implementing these programs if they aren't increasing revenues. Won't be doing that again.

Sapper Redux said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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boy09 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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boy09 said:

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southernskies said:

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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I will never get tired of posting this. Smug doctors were wrong and the vaccines for covid were a cash grab by unscrupulous big pharma.

Now the CV-19 vaccinated people have opened themselves up to a litany of side effects while the purebloods get to say I told you so.

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Oh, the doctors are the smug ones??

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The ones peddling the covid vax the past few years were, they've gotten a lot quieter now though.

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The Covid vaccine is going to be added to the standard schedule of vaccines. It looks like they may focus on the bivalent shots and phase out the original vaccine due to mutations in the virus. This is how science works. What the hell are you talking about?

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Don't call that science. They rushed a shot that didn't work like they said. They point blank lied to everyone and now there are just as substantial evidence for awful side effects as there was for the claim that it originally worked--difference is those side effects aren't going away.

Scheduling these vaccines is criminal and is anything but scientifically or medically a sound decision. That has no bearing on my claims above.

From today, not my work:

"Dr. Anthony Fauci now admits the mRNA Covid vaccines hardly work and might not be approvable

In fact, a bombshell paper he co-authored last month suggests ALL vaccines for common respiratory viruses may face intractable hurdles. And that's not even the worst news. I'm not exaggerating.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/dr-anthony-fauci-now-admits-the-mrna

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Last month, three scientists pointed out flu shots barely work and couldn't be approved based on the standards used for vaccines like measles:

"After more than 60 years of experience with influenza vaccines, very little improvement in vaccine prevention of infection has been noted… our best approved influenza vaccines would be inadequate for licensure for most other vaccine-preventable diseases." [emphasis added]

True. Several rigorous papers have proven that flu shots are placebos masquerading as public policy.
But the same scientists then compared our beloved and groundbreaking Covid vaccines to those pointless flu jabs:

As variant SARS-CoV-2 strains have emerged, deficiencies in these [Covid] vaccines reminiscent of influenza vaccines have become apparent.

Just who are these vicious anti-vax rebels?

Three researchers at the National Institutes for Health. Including one whose name may ring a bell: the now-retired Dr. Anthony S. Fauci.

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TL: DR- They work for a few months, but not longer. They wouldn't be approved for use as vaccines like measles, in which natural immunity is better and life-long (if you survive). Now we investigate if (as data in the paper shows) the mRNA vaccines actually may cause harm and weaken immunity against covid."

-Athanasius

Link here