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I feel so bad for the children of anti-vaxxers.

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Ok but the vax is worse than getting sick

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Anti-vax is not only referring to the idiots who think the Covid vaccine is dangerous. I'm mostly talking about the even more rare idiot who thinks all vaccines are dangerous.

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Not an anti-vaxxer here. My kids and myself are vaccinated for all the normal scheduled vaccines. Flu and Covid "vaccines" are BS money grabs though.


Wouldn't be shocked if it came out someday that those, especially CV-19 Remdesivir shots, are more detrimental to long-term health than Covid.

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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now do the "everything the msm says is true" crowd

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So that's the other option in your eyes? I prefer to listen to medical professionals who have studied and practiced medicine for most of their lives and actually reviewed the raw data from testing. I don't listen to MSM, podcast hosts, politicians, or anyone else. What qualifications does Candace ****ing Owens have with regards to vaccines of any kind?

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The fact she was right and those medical professionals parroting bureaucrats were wrong.

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Do doctors actually read massive study reports and analyze results independently? Or do they rely on FDA approval as their safeguard?

My problem with modern medicine is the one size fits all approach that most seem to take. I've gotten some very strange looks for asking deeper questions to some doctors. My philosophy is 1) preventative maintenance through diet and 2) seek natural remedies first before reverting to medicine. But most doctors just listen to your symptoms, check their roladex for the right drug, write prescription, escort you to the admin for payment.

Hell, not saying telehealth is horrible, but I've used a telehealth app through insurance, pairs me with some random doctor, talk to you for 5-10min and write like 3 prescriptions for me. Medicine should be more personal than that. But this is another way for medical companies to generate revenue. Just think about it, they aren't implementing these programs if they aren't increasing revenues. Won't be doing that again.

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Before taking the COVID vaccine I had a detailed conversation with a doctor with decades of experience. At that point he said he was still reviewing the research data and was not comfortable advising his patients to take it yet. At some point down the road he concluded from his own studies that it was time to recommend taking it. I'm sure not all doctors are that thorough but I'm also sure he isn't an outlier.

The guy who wrote the article you linked.

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Alex Berenson was born on January 6, 1973. He graduated from Yale University in 1994 with degrees in history and economics.

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Know Your Enemy said:

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The guy who wrote the article you linked.

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Alex Berenson was born on January 6, 1973. He graduated from Yale University in 1994 with degrees in history and economics.

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The guy who wrote the article you linked.

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Alex Berenson was born on January 6, 1973. He graduated from Yale University in 1994 with degrees in history and economics.

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What was said that was wrong?

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Know Your Enemy said:

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The guy who wrote the article you linked.

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Alex Berenson was born on January 6, 1973. He graduated from Yale University in 1994 with degrees in history and economics.

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What was said that was wrong?

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*tries to cite "credible" source as the basis for your opinion*

*guy turns out to be completely worthless for scientific information*

"WeLl wAs He WrOnG?!"

That's good that your doctor was doing his own due diligence. He sounds like someone that is really looking out for his patients. At the end of the day though he, just like us, was only able to rely on the information that he was given. When the information provided to him/us was incorrect and blatantly falsified, all we are left with is distrust of those above us that manufactured the product and provided the incorrect information.

So where does that leave us? Since we have no insight to the real data, what do we do? In my case, I try to remove those manufacturers from the equation if at all possible. So my next step is to analyze risk against reward and think about ulterior motives for those pushing the products. I view medicine today as a business first and wellness second. Profits ahead of people.

I disagree that "he was just like us" in that he was reviewing actual test results. I know I certainly didn't do that, did you? Even if we had access to the same data he did (maybe we do, I honestly don't know) we wouldn't have the expertise to be able to decipher the data and come to a conclusion as to the safety & effectiveness of the vaccine.

That is meant to say that he was not involved in any of the studies and was not aware of the actual data, just like us.

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The guy who wrote the article you linked.

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Alex Berenson was born on January 6, 1973. He graduated from Yale University in 1994 with degrees in history and economics.

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What was said that was wrong?

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*tries to cite "credible" source as the basis for your opinion*

*guy turns out to be completely worthless for scientific information*

"WeLl wAs He WrOnG?!"

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Claim is backd up with info. You cant refute it by citing the writer's degree. Sorry.

I mean... it makes it way less likely that the author is an expert in the subject matter.

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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now do the "everything the msm says is true" crowd

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So that's the other option in your eyes? I prefer to listen to medical professionals who have studied and practiced medicine for most of their lives and actually reviewed the raw data from testing. I don't listen to MSM, podcast hosts, politicians, or anyone else. What qualifications does Candace ****ing Owens have with regards to vaccines of any kind?

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The fact she was right and those medical professionals parroting bureaucrats were wrong.

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All of the doctors and scientists in the world are lying to you. It's the right wing grifters that really have this whole thing figured out.

Kids 21 & 19 had all, including Rona, but no boosters and will not get one.
Kid 12 had all, no rona, and will not get rona jab.
Flu shots don't bother me, if we remember they can get it.

At the time it seemed the covid vax was the right call, now, the wrong call.

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Kids 21 & 19 had all, including Rona, but no boosters and will not get one.
Kid 12 had all, no rona, and will not get rona jab.
Flu shots don't bother me, if we remember they can get it.

At the time it seemed the covid vax was the right call, now, the wrong call.

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I mean... it makes it way less likely that the author is an expert in the subject matter.

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Not a refutation and there still isn't.

Your boos mean nothing.

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All of the doctors and scientists in the world are lying to you. It's the right wing grifters that really have this whole thing figured out.

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I call on plenty of physicians who didn't get the COVID jab and many many more who didn't give it to their kids, including pediatricians. Nice try

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have kids, they are vaccinated for everything other than the flu and the rona. Haven't made a decision yet for the HPV one.

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Get your kids the hpv vax. Too many cancers tied to hpv.

Kids are on regular vax schedule. No rona; too young for HPV. Get flu shots when we remember.

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All of the doctors and scientists in the world are lying to you. It's the right wing grifters that really have this whole thing figured out.

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I call on plenty of physicians who didn't get the COVID jab and many many more who didn't give it to their kids, including pediatricians. Nice try

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And what percentage of pediatricians fit that description?

There are plenty of pediatricians who don't recommend kids getting the covid vaccine unless they are in a high risk group.

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I mean... it makes it way less likely that the author is an expert in the subject matter.

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Not a refutation and there still isn't.

Your boos mean nothing.

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Well, I guess this just means I have a career as a medical writer ahead of me, since idiots will believe anything that gets published without looking at the qualifications of the author or the science backing up their arguments....

In the absence of risk factors such as diabetes or autoimmune disorders I don't know a single one that supports the Covid vax for kids.

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There are plenty of pediatricians who don't recommend kids getting the covid vaccine unless they are in a high risk group.

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That's not an answer to my question. "There are plenty" is not a quantity nor a percentage of the whole.

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In the absence of risk factors such as diabetes or autoimmune disorders I don't know a single one that supports the Covid vax for kids.

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Funny, because it's recommended for every kid by the ones I know.

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I'm in data collection mode right now trying to do my own research. I've read a handful of literature for both sides, watched what Candace Owens had to say about it, etc. One thing that is puzzling is the amount or recommended vaccines/doses which seems to only increase as time goes on. Are the vaccines becoming less effective, thus requiring additional doses? Is it driven by pharma for financial purposes? Are we better off now with kids health than we were 30 years ago?

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This is why the "Do your own research" crowd isn't taken seriously.

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now do the "everything the msm says is true" crowd

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So that's the other option in your eyes? I prefer to listen to medical professionals who have studied and practiced medicine for most of their lives and actually reviewed the raw data from testing. I don't listen to MSM, podcast hosts, politicians, or anyone else. What qualifications does Candace ****ing Owens have with regards to vaccines of any kind?

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The CDC and medical doctors are 100% right all the time? I don't listen to Candace Owens but there are intelligent people that can properly evaluate and analyze data, patterns that aren't medical doctors.

CDC and medical doctors promoted masks by and large - there is no data that shows masks worked to stop the spread. You can look at city, country, state, country data and you won't see it. They were wrong.

I've had varied doctor opinions. Some doctors didn't care while others went the extra mile to figure out something was wrong and there was. Also, the AMA is talking about structural racism, food insecurity and housing insecurity. These issues have nothing to do with health and medicine.

The COVID vaccines are essentially useless now and the public has determined that based on the low uptake of them. The political, bureaucratic and medical elites who "think they know better" want you to keep taking them for some weird creepy reason. If people really, truly saw the benefits they would continue to get them. I got the third shot and went to the hospital for chest pains and the doctor told me he would frequently see people come into the hospital complaining of chest pains after the third shot. This isn't a normal reaction and wasn't warned to people "from the experts."

This all builds legitimate mistrust - they never take ownership of their actions and they never admit they're wrong or could be wrong. And they never experience negative consequences. They continue to take a monthly salary while those they hurt do not.

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There are plenty of pediatricians who don't recommend kids getting the covid vaccine unless they are in a high risk group.

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That's not an answer to my question. "There are plenty" is not a quantity nor a percentage of the whole.

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"Only the doctors that agree with me are experts."

Neither one of my kids doctors pushed the Covid vaccine but they are slender healthy boys who got the delta early on and it was a cake walk for them. They are too young for HPV but oldest son is close. I just want to educate myself a little bit more on that one. We were in the process of switching doctors for youngest son when this hit and honestly I love the older sons doctor approach to everything. I don't know any pediatricians pushing it other than for kids with health risks.

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In the absence of risk factors such as diabetes diabeetus or autoimmune disorders I don't know a single one that supports the Covid vax for kids.

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FIFY. You're welcome.

Get the HPV vaccine for them

It literally reduces the risk of cancer, no brainer

/MD

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In the absence of risk factors such as diabetes or autoimmune disorders I don't know a single one that supports the Covid vax for kids.

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Funny, because it's recommended for every kid by the ones I know.

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I'd be interested to know where you live but that only further demonstrates it's a political decision not a medical one. Evidence based medicine does not land on the side of covid vax in children

Funny to me when libtard granolas and ultra-conservative nutjobs believe the same things.

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In the absence of risk factors such as diabetes or autoimmune disorders I don't know a single one that supports the Covid vax for kids.

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Funny, because it's recommended for every kid by the ones I know.

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I live in BCS. I have not heard of any pediatrician here pushing it for kids unless they are part of a high risk group. Our pediatrician certainly didn't push or even recommend it for our kids.

Can you show the data you are claiming shows every pediatrician pushes it? No? Well, I can't show data either for saying no they don't, other than using my personal experience- which you seem to think doesn't count because it's contrary to your beliefs.

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have kids, they are vaccinated for everything other than the flu and the rona. Haven't made a decision yet for the HPV one.

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I have a close friend who's dealing with an HPV related cancer at an entirely too young of age and these cases are on the rise per their oncologist. Don't assume your kids will be wait till marriage types and even if they are definitely don't assume their partners are. You do you though, just imagine how you'd feel if they come to you at 40 with a cancer you could have prevented at 14.