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C2 Greyhound

Love how much control input it takes.

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How is that guy wearing glasses? I didn't think you could get a waiver for that? Are the E-2 and C-2 guys different? Really cool video though.

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How is that guy wearing glasses? I didn't think you could get a waiver for that? Are the E-2 and C-2 guys different? Really cool video though.

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I believe if they need glasses after flight training, then they wear them and are not necessarily booted out of their pilot slot.

Thread would be incomplete without the best fighter that never flew:

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How is that guy wearing glasses? I didn't think you could get a waiver for that? Are the E-2 and C-2 guys different? Really cool video though.

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I believe if they need glasses after flight training, then they wear them and are not necessarily booted out of their pilot slot.

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Very common misconception. Your eye sight only needs to be "correctable to 20/20". When I joined the Air Force about a decade ago pilots still had to be at least 20/50 plus being correctable. Back seaters were 20/200. Going through the medical screening for a pilot slot a couple years ago they seem to have completely gotten rid of even the 20/50 rule.

I'm surprised at that. I was pretty sure Air Force was still 20/20

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Reminds me of the Christen Eagle flying group that made the airshow rounds when I was young

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Reminds me of the Christen Eagle flying group that made the airshow rounds when I was young

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I believe that the Christensen Eagle was supposed to be a superior version of a Pitts.

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"We set out to produce a two-place aerobatic aircraft that could compete effectively with the Pitts S-2A as a result of better aerobatic performance, handling, appearance, comfort and convenience. The second objective was to develop a kit system by which the aircraft could be built in limited time by anyone with reasonable mechanical aptitude using only hardware store tools.

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https://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/perspectives-homebuilding/frank-christensen-and-kit-plane-revolution/

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How is that guy wearing glasses? I didn't think you could get a waiver for that? Are the E-2 and C-2 guys different? Really cool video though.

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I believe if they need glasses after flight training, then they wear them and are not necessarily booted out of their pilot slot.

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Very common misconception. Your eye sight only needs to be "correctable to 20/20". When I joined the Air Force about a decade ago pilots still had to be at least 20/50 plus being correctable. Back seaters were 20/200. Going through the medical screening for a pilot slot a couple years ago they seem to have completely gotten rid of even the 20/50 rule.

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I don't know if that applies to Naval Aviation. GAC06 would know. I do not know for sure without reading the NAMI docs.

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Reminds me of the Christen Eagle flying group that made the airshow rounds when I was young

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I believe that the Christensen Eagle was supposed to be a superior version of a Pitts.

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"We set out to produce a two-place aerobatic aircraft that could compete effectively with the Pitts S-2A as a result of better aerobatic performance, handling, appearance, comfort and convenience. The second objective was to develop a kit system by which the aircraft could be built in limited time by anyone with reasonable mechanical aptitude using only hardware store tools.

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https://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/perspectives-homebuilding/frank-christensen-and-kit-plane-revolution/

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It was most definitely designed and produced to compete with Pitts, but as a more versatile airplane for noncompetitive pilots rather than the purpose built nature of the Pitts. As far as "better" is concerned it probably depends more on what the owner/pilot wanted out of their airplane with regards to performance, comfort, forgiveness, and ease-of-construction.

At the time the Pitts was the dominant force in competitive aerobatics, and everybody with a pulse wanted one, but they had a very well-earned reputation as being an airplane you had to really respect at all times, but particularly on the ground. It's all a trade off of course, planes designed specifically for that purpose are inherently unstable, have big engines, higher wing loadings, a little higher stall speeds (ergo landing speeds), etc., all of which sacrifice a ton in other areas. The Christen Eagle was an absolute home-run at the time (if one could afford one) in that it gave recreational pilots, who had plenty of money, a plane that could be "assembled" instead of "built", was more forgiving, performed very well...and was guaranteed to turn heads at every fuel stop they'd ever make. (The paint scheme was absolutely f'ing brilliant)

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How is that guy wearing glasses? I didn't think you could get a waiver for that? Are the E-2 and C-2 guys different? Really cool video though.

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I believe if they need glasses after flight training, then they wear them and are not necessarily booted out of their pilot slot.

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Very common misconception. Your eye sight only needs to be "correctable to 20/20". When I joined the Air Force about a decade ago pilots still had to be at least 20/50 plus being correctable. Back seaters were 20/200. Going through the medical screening for a pilot slot a couple years ago they seem to have completely gotten rid of even the 20/50 rule.

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Damn you're old

When I was getting qualified for flight school. Class 83. You had to have 20/20 no questions. I corrected a

If anyone sees photos from Red Flag 21-2, I'd appreciate a link

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If anyone sees photos from Red Flag 21-2, I'd appreciate a link

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You might follow this talented photog on IG; he will likely be there.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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If anyone sees photos from Red Flag 21-2, I'd appreciate a link

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You might follow this talented photog on IG; he will likely be there.

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Thanks, some nice stuff. I've tried a couple of groups on Flickr with mixed results.

Lots of pics of Red Flag 21-1, which ended a few weeks ago. Includes some jets from MFP's former squadron. Haven't found any of the current Squadron, nor 21-2.

Will keep watching.

https://www.instagram.com/rocketmanaviation/

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https://www.instagram.com/rocketmanaviation/

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Thanks again. I hadn't thought of Instragram, but it's probably one of the more active ones.

Love that second vid's thumbnail, "ya, were pilots."

You can also follow hashtags #redflag #redflagnellis and #redflag21_2 on IG. A bunch of the hardcore avgeek photogs were at 21-1. sincityavphoto is a good follow for RF too.

https://instagram.com/nellisafb?igshid=uoebns3k4vxd

Another good one.

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You can also follow hashtags #redflag #redflagnellis and #redflag21_2 on IG. A bunch of the hardcore avgeek photogs were at 21-1. sincityavphoto is a good follow for RF too.

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Thanks

That's one of the coolest pictures I've ever seen of 'Fat Amy'.

Interesting article on this Harmon Rocket (modified RV) set up to achieve a time to climb record. 100 seconds to get to 10,000 feet is climbing at about 6,000ft/min.

Air & Space

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That's one of the coolest pictures I've ever seen of 'Fat Amy'.

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Is that the CH53 nickname?

Beautiful

falcon09 said:

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That's one of the coolest pictures I've ever seen of 'Fat Amy'.

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Where'd this one go?