Pitbull disaster you say?

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I have fostered pits, but I would not choose one for my family.

...but personally I prefer not to play those odds at all.

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I appreciate the fact that you are willing to admit that owning a pit bull is a big gamble.

I think that says quite a lot.

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Completely agree with all of that

Terriers are supposed to hold on and shake. I have fostered pits, but I would not choose one for my family.

I disagree with breed bans and bashing, and the overall risk is very low, but personally I prefer not to play those odds at all. I actually prefer not to own any terrier type, even the little cute ones.

That said, there is just as much variability within a breed as between breeds. That is why knowing the breeder and the parent dogs is so important, and why buying from a pet store is a bad idea.

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I'll echo this and add: no one here has advocated anyone go get a pit bull. They do require quite a bit of socialization and work. There are plenty of other breeds this is true of. If you want a more docile dog, you should get one.

My problem is less with the stigma (even if that annoys me too) and more with people who feel they have the right to take someone else's dog away from them.

Oh yes, and remember 97% of canine fatalities and over 80% of canine attacks are caused by dogs that are not spayed / neutered. Do as Bob Barker always told you and spay / neuter your dogs!

Oh I'm not advocating the banning of pits at all. I'm just saying that they are a riskier dog to own them most breeds.

I was attacked by a lab as a child. It was merciless and scarred me for years. Clearly all labs should be put down. Don't argue with my experience. If you'd have been there and seen it you'd think we should kill all labs too

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I have fostered pits, but I would not choose one for my family.

...but personally I prefer not to play those odds at all.

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I appreciate the fact that you are willing to admit that owning a pit bull is a big gamble.

I think that says quite a lot.

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Why mention the word "big"? Owning any dog breed is a gamble to some extent. Pit bull breeds are probably more of a gamble than traditional breeds (nearly all of us would agree with that statement), but that doesn't mean they are a "big" gamble.

I never said I wanted to take someone's dog away from them. If you own a pit bull now, you are grandfathered in. But no more after that. Those who are grandfathered in and continue to own pit bulls should have their dog removed from them if they are spotted without a bite collar. There should be no exceptions.

You got us all Diamond. Excellent troll and kept us all biting for 8 pages. Congrats.

No more labs either. Shoot them on sight if they don't have a bite collar. I had a bad experience with one so nobody should be able to own them. If you had been there and seen it snap you'd understand

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I never said I wanted to take someone's dog away from them. If you own a pit bull now, you are grandfathered in. But no more after that. Those who are grandfathered in and continue to own pit bulls should have their dog removed from them if they are spotted without a bite collar. There should be no exceptions.

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Anyone else confused?

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I never said I wanted to take someone's dog away from them. If you own a pit bull now, you are grandfathered in. But no more after that. Those who are grandfathered in and continue to own pit bulls should have their dog removed from them if they are spotted without a bite collar. There should be no exceptions.

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Statist, big government loving, fear-mongering nonsense.

friend, when you have experienced it first hand, it's quite a serious concern for you. I'm dead set against these "dogs." It's an insult to dogs to call these things dogs. There is a song that says, "Evil don't look like anything." On the contrary, it looks exactly like pit bulls.

You should have seen the lab attack me. We need an immediate lab holocaust.

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friend, when you have experienced it first hand, it's quite a serious concern for you. I'm dead set against these "dogs." It's an insult to dogs to call these things dogs. There is a song that says, "Evil don't look like anything." On the contrary, it looks exactly like pit bulls.

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I think I have confused you to the point where you think I actually give a **** about your opinion. Let's clarify- I really dont care what your opinion or experience is/was.

Histag taking the bait

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I never said I wanted to take someone's dog away from them. If you own a pit bull now, you are grandfathered in. But no more after that. Those who are grandfathered in and continue to own pit bulls should have their dog removed from them if they are spotted without a bite collar. There should be no exceptions.

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Statist, big government loving, fear-mongering nonsense.

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No. more like a government-OK'd neighborhood roundup. There would be local eradication clubs that would be tasked with enforcement. If you own a pit bull you will register it in an eradication database. That gives you 8 years to "enjoy" it. After that 8 years, you turn it over to the local eradication club.

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I never said I wanted to take someone's dog away from them. If you own a pit bull now, you are grandfathered in. But no more after that. Those who are grandfathered in and continue to own pit bulls should have their dog removed from them if they are spotted without a bite collar. There should be no exceptions.

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Statist, big government loving, fear-mongering nonsense.

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No. more like a government-OK'd neighborhood roundup. There would be local eradication clubs that would be tasked with enforcement. If you own a pit bull you will register it in an eradication database. That gives you 8 years to "enjoy" it. After that 8 years, you turn it over to the local eradication club.

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Keep posting. It's very clear at this point you have nothing to actually point to but an unverifiable "experience". You are doing more good for pit bulls on this thread than I ever could. It's kind of like when agbeliever posts on the politics board. Your points are so terrible, any rational observer will realize your side of the argument has nothing to offer.

I think the plan is a level-headed, gradual phase out. I think it's quite reasonable. I'm sure it could be tweaked a bit here and there. Again, I think you are coming out looking like Timothy Treadwell. Don't google image search him without the safe filter on. You have been warned.

I wish we had an eradication club for people who exploit the tragedy of others to further their own statist policies.

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I think the plan is a level-headed, gradual phase out. I think it's quite reasonable. I'm sure it could be tweaked a bit here and there. Again, I think you are coming out looking like Timothy Treadwell. Don't google image search him without the safe filter on. You have been warned.

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You don't get to "phase out" a breed just because you have misguided fears. We are 8 pages in and you have yet to present one iota of evidence.

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I think the plan is a level-headed, gradual phase out. I think it's quite reasonable.

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And after you phase out pit bulls you are going to want to come after my rottweiler.

Where does it end? How small of a dog before you deem them safe for ownership?

So... still no evidence to present?

I'd rather read some of that than hear stories about your or your friend's experiences and opinions.

just being careful. and I shouldn't have said anything because it was something a friend told me in confidence.

woody, would you mind doing me a favor and erasing that from your post. thank you

They definitely need decommission camps for people who start emotional fearmongering ad campaigns. What truly awful human beings.

Will you guys be whoring out sarah mclachlan in the ads

wouldn't she be for protecting the "dogs?"

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just being careful. and I shouldn't have said anything because it was something a friend told me in confidence.

woody, would you mind doing me a favor and erasing that from your post. thank you

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Read the Pit Bull Placebo that MFS referred to and I later posted, and I'll take it down for you.

Either that or present me some real evidence that pit bulls are by their nature a big enough danger to society as to necessitate governmental intervention.

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So... still no evidence to present?

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Do you want me to post more evidence? A picture is worth 1,000 words.

Goebbels

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So... still no evidence to present?

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Do you want me to post more evidence? A picture is worth 1,000 words.

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oh jeez. we don't need to go there. it's horrifying