Just pick another forum they don't mod often and list tickets there. Give people your email and work it offline. Pretty easyy to get around.

kinda shocked by this change. I liked it the way it was and feel like texags is just trying another way to make $ from us. Not cool

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I have sold plenty of tickets on texags at or below face value.

I will not be paying a $10 fee to sell tickets on here in future...hello craiglist

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How many times does ooshwa need to say that they're considering eliminating the fee if you sell for face? 50? 100?

Stupid move by the Texags Staff. Ask for your user's input, and then ignore it!? You are fixing something that wasn't broken. Thousands of tickets changed hands here at face value over the years and only a few tried to disregard the policy. Why is that something that needs a new fee on every listing to fix it?

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chipotle, i think we'd be for that if we had a clean way of knowing. since the exchange happens offline, how do we know if the tickets sold and or how much?

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You never knew before and you won't know now. I fail to see how charging a fee changes anything other than your bottom line at Texags? It doesn't help the exchange of tickets at all and will drive a lot of sellers to places like Stub Hub where they will be selling to non-Ags. If making more profit while you insure that more non-Ags can buy tickets was your goal, you seem to have settled on the perfect policy.

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You mean all that dialogue where you asked your users what they wanted and then picked the option that only 10% of them wanted? Sounds like the disrespect started at the staff level and you are getting back what your have given out.

Ok, you published something that said 48% wanted face value only/status quo, which you didn't pick. You said 41% wanted fully open pricing, which you didn't pick. 10% wanted a hybrid system. If those number are somehow misleading, I am not the one who posted them...you did and can correct the post to reflect your meaning at any time. Since you are the only one with access to the surveys, you could tell us that 95% voted for Saddam Hussein and a new fee on every ticket sale and we would have no way of knowing either way. You guys need to make some more profit somehow I guess, so do what you need to do...strike while the iron is hot and cash in on SEC fever like everybody else.

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you believe just because of the way you interpret the poll results, that we didn't listen

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It has nothing to do with how I interpreted them, I stated it exactly how you reported them to us! If you don't like the way it sounds, go change the numbers and descriptions YOU reported to something that makes you sound like a white knight for saving us all from the scalpers. In the meantime, I have gone ahead and dropped back from Varsity to Premium since it doesn't seem like y'all will be needing that extra money once all the ticket sales fee revenue starts rolling in. Hope it was worth it.

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You can't really count the "limited" crowd as in favor of the old system. I voted limited and I would much rather have the proposed system than the old. I suspect many, if not most, limited voters would agree.

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I voted limited and agree with this new system.

For what it is worth, I don't care which system we end up with. What bugs me is for Texags staff to tell us how important our opinions are, take a survey, tell us the results that don't appear to support their position, and then call us ignorant for interpreting the results they reported using language they chose to use. Great you have access to all kinds of data that I don't...so put that out there if you want me to have the same informed position you have. But if you don't, then don't call me ignorant for taking the description of the results YOU provided and drawing an appropriate conclusion from that description. It is hard to see how you are making points about respect and then call a user ignorant for reading what you wrote.

Ooshwa
Why $10 a ticket ? Why not $10 a listing or transaction instead? It seems that since the onus is still on the seller to collect and transfer the tickets ( not to mention risk since we pay regardless of whether someone buys) the fee per ticket is a little high considering the "service" we are receiving ( accessing your database via a random post which may never get viewed much less acted upon). Are people going to be allowed to repeatedly bump their thread to the top to facilitate their sale ? There are some issues like this people have not even considered

I'm pretty sure the fee per ticket was arbitrary so maybe a per transaction or post would be more palatable.

txags92, in what universe does 48% in favor of status quo with the remainder in favor of an ability to sell for an amount above face (only differentiated by the amount over face) mean the majority wanted things to stay the same?

Not to mention, based on the October splits posted on the poll and discussion threads, those (mostly) providing the goods in question (12th man donors) greatly favored a move to something above face.

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I think that there needed to be a change. The previous rules did NOT allow users to sell the tickets at the REAL face value and if you wanted to sell on TexAgs, you had to eat some of the cost of your ticket.

I bought season tickets this year and had to pay $450 PLUS a $220 donation per seat. Whenever I sell to friends, I have no problem trying to recoup that "donation" because it really is just the cost of the ticket.

I'm not looking to make a huge profit on selling my tickets, but selling tickets at face value is actually selling tickets at a discount. With the ticket exchange moving to the new policy, at least we can provide a venue where we can sell to other Ags easily.

Above face value - $10 charge
Face value or below - FREE
Non-football - FREE

Problem solved. TexAgs can pocket.. and the system is still relatively in place.

Wow, I did not realize it was $10 per ticket. I just thought $10 per listing. Texags is making out like a bandit on this. Why not $10 per listing as opposed to ticket?

If the person wants to relist the tickets for a lower price do they have to pay an additional $10 per ticket?

If someone lists a pair of season tickets then it costs $120 or $240 if you list 4? If the season listing does not sell then if you list them individual do you have to pay an additional $10 becuase you already paid a $10 listing for that ticket?




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it is a money grab, plain and simple.

Listing a ticket has the same value as a MONTHS subscription. either they don't think much of their premium board product, or this is a money grab plain and simple. It can't be both.

Rentals, given the listings you've posted since the policy was announced, to me it seems a bit sorry of you to accuse staff of a "money grab" while using the interim policy of this board to list your above face tickets to the TexAgs market for free.

You don't know their current cost structure nor do you know exactly what they are planning to roll out for the listing service and exactly what that will cost them.

I will concede that you seem to have some expertise in this area, but given that, you should know that in every project there are variables and costs will vary.

Criticize if you want, but it just seems a little less than honorable to crap on the people whose services you are currently using for your benefit.

watchole or ooshwa,

Can you respond to these questions?

If the person wants to relist the tickets for a lower price do they have to pay an additional $10 per ticket?

If someone lists a pair of season tickets (as a season) then is the cost $120 or $20?

If the answer is $120, if the season listing does not sell then if you list them individual do you have to pay an additional $10 becuase you already paid a $10 listing for that ticket?

I've an idea.

Why not make the ticket exchange board open for all to read. You need an additional membership, for that board, to post anything, as many times as you'd like.

You could make the cost something like $25 for a year and then anyone could sell as much as they'd like. This would encourage the selling of more tickets, as the more you sell, the less your per ticket cost.

But, if a season ticket holder couldn't make the LSU game, because his wife's best friend chose to have her wedding that day in Dallas, then that person could sell their ticket to an Ag for a high price and just eat the $25 fee that they would have to pay one time - as they go to all the games.

This seems much easier to moderate and you'll probably make more money in the long run, as more people will use the board.

I have no idea if this is the perfect model.

But, I am glad I can now post my tix at market value and have a good chance of insuring AGs are sitting in the seats.

Txags.com is a business and I want the business to continue because I like the product. Makes sense for Texags to charge a fee. My plan? Upgrade my subscription. Then, I can post my tix at no charge.

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Exactly! I can now sell to other Aggies and know I haven't sold to an opposing fan at a price below Stubhub. At the same time for games that aren't that popular, I will be able to give them away, sell below cost or at cost. And for those wanting to buy LSU/Florida tickets at cost..there is still a place people can go to sell them to you without forcing 95% of everyone else to Stubhub. I think the fees will be greatly reduced versus Stubhub for the popular games and even if they aren't, I would much rather see those fees go to support TexAgs. Additionally, I'm confident it will evolve and change as any weaknesses are recognized. Good job guys!

It's wonderful to see practical wisdom being used!

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This is sure to introduce fraudulent transactions. I predict one season before its gone due to all the negativity that will surround this forum.

Can't charge and give people 0.

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This is sure to introduce fraudulent transactions. I predict one season before its gone due to all the negativity that will surround this forum.

Can't charge and give people 0.

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The sellers are charged, not the buyers. I'm assuming your implication is that there would be fraudulent sales, not purchases.

I'm sure there will be some, but at some point there has to be an expectation that buyers exercise some common sense. If you are buying from a verified TMF member (and/or verified Ag) you can be reasonably assured of a legit transaction.

If you are buying from an unverified seller, it would be a bit naive to not use a service such as PayPal to provide some protection for the transaction.

Without this new policy, I believe you would see a drastic drop in the amount of available tickets on this board for marquee games (basically any SEC home game this year).

That said, to implement the infrastructure necessary to facilitate the new policy (and yes, I'm sure to make some profit for thier trouble--deservedly so), a fee is necessary.

They are not providing nothing for that fee. They are giving sellers access to thier captive, unique market and providing reasonable assurance that you are selling to a fellow Aggie. That is the whole purpose of the new policy--to facilitate as many Aggie-to-Aggie transactions as possible, regardless of price point. The tickets will be sold above face. This policy helps keep them here and helps keep them selling to Aggies.

Maybe you're right and it will fail, but I don't think it's likely. I also think it's dense to claim TexAgs is providing "0".

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Should reduce any chance of fraud if anything. Additionally, staff can ban anyone from posting that has committed a fraud or not allow Rookies to post tickets for sale.

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TICKETS ABOVE FACE VALUE: $10/ticket for non-subscribers, $5/ticket for basic/premium subscribers, FREE for varsity subscribers

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So to sell a pair of season tickets above face value I could:

1. Pay 120 dollars
2. become a subscriber and pay $65.14

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3. become a varsity member and pay only $27.06