I like the 'or less' part the best

Can anyone post FV for remaining games so those looking for tix know which forum users are breaking the rules? Because aren't FV different for some games?

Face value also differs for different sections for the same game.

I'll take the first set of tu tickets offered up for face value...any section.

When donations are involved, face value means the seller does not recover their true costs for the game ticket. This should be an environment where sellers can at least break-even.

If you want to recover the donation list them elsewhere. Pretty simple, plus the donation and the ticket price are separate and hence why the 12th man separates the ticket price per seat and the donation per seat. Thus, it is a moot point attempting to couple them into the same boat as they are clearly differentiated when you purchase the tickets. One is the right to the seat the other is the price per game after establishing the right to the seat. It continues to baffle me how that is such a difficult concept for most to grasp.

Many people would like to make sure they sell their tickets to Aggies. Can't do that on StubHub. Look at how expensive tu tickets are going for on StubHub and how much of a difference that is than the list, yet if you sell them on StubHub there's a decent chance a Longhorn fan buys it.

What baffles me are the Ags coming on here looking for face value tickets (or less) and some act like they have an entitlement to get said tickets when they are too cheap to buy a season ticket for $250, or less. C'mon, you can't spend $36 a game for our Ags. I have sold (and will continue to sell tickets on here at face value) to ensure Ags get the tickets and most of those people are grateful and appreciative but some of the posts are ridiculous.

You mean its ridiculous to look for tickets at face value on a site that specifies that tickets must be sold for face?

Not sure if serious....

There are more avenues than stubhub.

We list our ZC seats for about 1/2 the games because we have a family now and our seats cant fit all of us. We require AFS verification before sale and have NEVER had a problem.

Those that use the aggies selling to aggies excuse as a crutch are the same ones wanting to overcharge ags on a site dedicated to exchanging, not selling tickets.

I had a Houston area Ag give me two free tickets to the Idaho game on this website because I was an Aggie. Where else can the "Aggie Family" exchange tickets and keep the stands full of fans cheering for OUR side? If you don't want to follow the rules of the sight, go elsewhere. It's not too hard to understand simple rules...as they are very clear.

I'm not advocating brekaing the rules. I'm advocating changing the rules so that more Ags feel comfortable selling their tickets to other Ags rather than going to 3rd party websites where they can make more money by selling tickets to opposing fans.

They dont need to change the rules. The board functions well when the users follow the rules. There are plenty of avenues to sell tickets for [above] face value and believe it or not, there are many posters on texags from rivals schools. So, if texags wanted to be just like stubhub or ticketcity, they could however, they deliberately have kept this policy in place as it provides a unique marketplace that is not available elsewhere. Why would they remove that and become just like every other shitty ticket broker on the block?

Also, judging by the number of tickets that change hands on this site, I fail to believe there is an exchange metric failure because of the policy.

[This message has been edited by AgAC (edited 9/18/2011 10:35p).]

So...if you go to the 12th Man Foundation website and can purchase a single game ticket for $xx, I can't sell it on here for $xx if a portion of that is a donation?

If you go to the 12th man website and try to buy a single game ticket they are for sale for the face value only. They are sold out for the games except Mizzou and KU. If you would like to purchase tickets to those games, they are for sale for face value, yes. There are always public seats sold that dont require a donation. Now, the question is whether you are quick enough to buy them before they sell out. The "if I called the 12th man and tried to buy that same ticket it would cost more than face value" argument fails to account for the separation between the expenses. The donation pushes the price above face, not the value of the ticket. The value of every ticket is fixed at a certain level whether its armchair club or bench. That fixed portion represents the price the ticket can be sold here.

I always love that excuse too.

Not an excuse. They aren't sold out for Arkie. And none of the Arkie club seats are available for "face value"

[This message has been edited by Lostinla07 (edited 9/18/2011 10:52p).]

http://www.12thmanfoundation.com/ticket-center/football/home-game-tickets.aspx

There are plenty of seats available for arkie. The seats you want however require a donation. The face value is 125 the donation pushes the price above that price. Thus, just like for the seats that require a donation at kyle, you cant ask for that donation as it is separate from the price of the ticket (see where it says ticket 125 + 175 donation). They are clearly illustrating that the costs are separate. How is this so hard to understand? If you would like to get $300 for them, go to stubhub. If you want to get face value which represents the price of the ticket, not the ticket plus the donation, you could list them here. Again, its very simple...

Let me help you:

http://www.12thmanfoundation.com/ticket-center/southwest-classic.aspx

Yes I know the prices, hence my post above. What is so hard to understand that you can get back face value, not face value plus donation. Seriously, explain to me what is difficult to understand about that concept?

[This message has been edited by AgAC (edited 9/18/2011 11:00p).]

All club seats are the same face value, some require a higher donation.

If the rule is all club seats must be sold for the same price...fine. I just want to clarify the rule because it is clear from thevseat map that some "cost" more if bought on the TMF site right now.

The issue isnt what you pay for them from the 12th man. THAT IS THE ENTIRE REASON FOR THIS THREAD.

ALL you can ask for is face value. Face vlaue doesnt include donation cost, shipping cost, processing fee cost, imaginary cost, or any other cost that people make up to add onto tickets that they list on here. Face = what is printed on the ticket, not what was charge to you bank account.

[This message has been edited by AgAC (edited 9/18/2011 11:02p).]

Ooshwa-

Can you confirm that the $225 and $300 club sections both must be offered for $125 here. If so, I'll remove all my WTS posts.

"all tickets on this forum are to be offered (or requested) at the face value printed on the ticket or less"

If your club ticket is like mine, it clearly says $125

What about parking pass and/or chairback pads in addition to FV? That's $25 and $15 per seat additional....not selling the tix for over FV but the add-ons cost money too!

Here's what everyone should do when selling. List their tickets along with a parking pass, and charge whatever you want for the parking pass since they don't have a printed face value. Anyone that complains about charging cost for parking can eat it since that isn't allowed for tickets.

The face value nazis are eventually going to drive away the majority of sellers with great seats, and in turn, prevent a lot of us from from getting great deals on good seats. If a price isn't listed just don't respond to the seller.

[This message has been edited by elspankdog (edited 9/19/2011 8:33a).]

I got ya (I'm not taking about zone club tickets though...the face value on those is generally less than $125).

Owned

I always felt the intent was to avoid blatant scalping. Someone asking $150 for good west side tu tickets is not scalping since you cannot purchase tu tickets in those sections from the 12th man foundation for that price. That's less than cost and a great deal.

Unfortunately, if you tried to offer those tickets for sale at that price, you would be ridiculed like you had a hat on during a yell. The seller would be forced to go to stubhub, and good Ags would be forced to also. Was that Brandon's intent?

I'm fine with mods chasing off blatant scalpers, but do we need overzealous posters responding to threads/ads to fish for a price and call out somebody for selling for a small premium but well less than cost?

[This message has been edited by elspankdog (edited 9/19/2011 9:15a).]

Look...AgAC's posts above were correct. I don't necessarily agree with the policy because I think it forces us to undercut the TMF prices...but that is the policy on the board and if we use it we need to respect the intent of the policy.

I feel like the rules staff has when selling tickets are easy to understand and follow, so its difficult for me to get why others can't seem to understand them.