1. He signs Sezer who had nada, zip, no offers or even serious attention from other BCS schools, almost solely based on a stopwatch.

2. Tapuyo is an honest 4.3 burner.

3. Maybe he recruits for his offensive system, but if there is one thing that jumps out at me, when in doubt, Sumlin wants guys who can fly.

If we are going to lose, we are going to lose with speed.


If we are going to win, it will be because of speed.

No doubt.

They are who we thought they were!

the only think i will correct is what you said about sezer. they saw speed and then they moved him to DB and he killed it.

Someone on TA for years has been suggesting we do this. I wish I could think of who he is and thank him for the suggestion.

Seriously: I fail to understand why the 2 previous staffs absolutely REFUSED (it seemed) to recruit speedy players. But this is good to hear.

Speed is great, but without size we are UH. Coach has been saying it all year.
The SEC is who they are because of speed AND size. I think this is the ultimate goal for our staff. Especially when it comes to defense.

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Seriously: I fail to understand why the 2 previous staffs absolutely REFUSED (it seemed) to recruit speedy players.

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I actually agree with Coach Sumlin's assessment that he's mentioned a few times...a lack of speed has not been the problem, the past few years at least, and will not be the problem as we move to the SEC.

My worry is that some of our opponents, and Alabama comes to mind in particular, are packing 6'1", 6'2" + receivers and defensive backs that can also run a little bit.

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Speed is great, but without size we are UH. Coach has been saying it all year.
The SEC is who they are because of speed AND size. I think this is the ultimate goal for our staff. Especially when it comes to defense.

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We won't be UH because we recruit a higher level of player. Most of the guys he's been getting have pretty good size to them too. UH did a good job of making other schools in their division look bad and lost one game last year. I'd take a season where people said that about us.

For every Mike wallace there are 2 toya jones...

Speed helps, but is not an end all be all.

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Seriously: I fail to understand why the 2 previous staffs absolutely REFUSED (it seemed) to recruit speedy players.

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I actually agree with Coach Sumlin's assessment that he's mentioned a few times...a lack of speed has not been the problem, the past few years at least, and will not be the problem as we move to the SEC.

My worry is that some of our opponents, and Alabama comes to mind in particular, are packing 6'1", 6'2" + receivers and defensive backs that can also run a little bit.

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Ever heard of Mike Evans, Nate Askew, Kyrion Parker, or Quincy A.?

We're recruiting plenty of size, too. That's for sure.

6-1 330
6-4 290
6-2 285
6-3 315

There's our DT list right now. That in itself makes a huge difference between us and Houston. And that's just one position.

Sure have. And I generally don't think those guys move quite as well as Landon Collins, Demarcus Milliner, Travell Dixon, and Co. will on the other side of the LOS. Those guys have a little bit of Askew's size with Sezer's speed. Unfortunately for us, we can't let Askew get off the line, then switch in Sezer to stretch the field, and then put Evans in to make the catch...

Those guys will have roles in our offense, and they'll do a fantastic job in that role. I'd like to see, and I think the staff would agree, us start landing a few more players and get build some depth of guys who have both the speed and the size.


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TAMU has easily had one of the top 10 fastest skill position rosters in the country for the last three years. Speed is a raw ingredient. It is what you do with it that makes all the difference. I'm hoping this coaching staff is a bit better at enabling results on the field than what we have seen over the last decade.

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There's our DT list right now. That in itself makes a huge difference between us and Houston. And that's just one position.

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UH has pulled some big boys to play on the line for them the past few years...they just didn't have a wideout over 5 foot 2 inches or something like that.

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TAMU has easily had one of the top 10 fastest skill position rosters in the country for the last three years. Speed is a raw ingredient. It is what you do with it that makes all the difference. I'm hoping this coaching staff is a bit better at enabling results on the field than what we have seen over the last decade.

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Disagree here. When you talk about burners I think Florida, Oregon, LSU, Miami, USC, Ohio State, etc.

Maybe even throw in FSU, Alabama, West Virginia, Clemson, Cal

Texas A&M does not come to mind, when I think offensive skill positions with cmike, Fuller, Askew and such they are usually a combo of decent speed and good size/power

Cyrus was a burner but he was probably the only legit 4.4 guy we had.

trey quiv and tapuyo are definitely an upgrade in terms of speed

^ I believe Swope was the fastest guy on the team, so you might want to include hime in that list.

I wanna be clear.
I am not comparing us to UH. We def recruit up from them.
Addressing the OP, I'm saying that speed isn't everything. (it's def a big part and more important than just size IMHO)

All speed without size brings you a good UH or insert good conf USA/WAC team here.

All Size and minimal speed brings you.. insert good B1G team

COMBINE SIZE and SPEED and you have a team that can play and have success in the SEC.

In the SEC you need guys who can take a hit and give hit and get there fast. Even at WR.

We are def moving in the right direction.

SPEED owns all. Yes this is true.

Some of you have stated that speed is just a raw ingredient etc. which is true, it is just one aspect of the football field this is why we don't just go recruit track athletes.

But I have to disagree with blackjack about having top end speed over the past years. I believe we did have some speed, but playing in shermans pro style of offense has offset that speed. In shermans time I saw a huge amount of bootleg play actions, rolling out to the left or right. This does not equate to speed being able to showcase itself. With this Air raid system we will have in place with Sumlin and Co. I believe are true indication of speed will be put on full blast.

As to counter argue that without size we are just another UH type program. It would be extremely hard to make an assumption to that degree because we are more talented, and have more depth than UH did/does. Plus we have yet to play a game at the SEC level and who knows how the SEC defenses will act. In past years yes the SEC defenses have been stout and can stop almost anything. However a majority of the SEC teams are built to demolish the run. Not saying that they can't stop the pass either but the systems most SEC teams have in place it to dominate the front lines. I believe that the Air raid is going to expose some of these defenses just based purely on a scheme standpoint.

and Again Speed all plays into this. The fastest players on the field are typically the best/big play makers.

Clarifying: There's difference between having some of the very fastest players and having speed all across the roster at skill positions. Our elite speed list has been slim, but across the board our DBs, LBs, WRs, RBs, and QBs as a group would rank very high. Maybe not at the very top of that list but pretty high up.

We are now getting more guys in that top end speed category, which will help tremendously, especially with this offense and special teams. Anyway, whether I am right or not, I think it's good to see us getting a nice class with some elite speed.

I agree with you BlackJack!

Great to see an elite speed incoming class

Btw love the info you contribute to the board

Obviously you want ot recruit size AND speed. However, even if you are outsized, you can use speed to overcome the size problem if it's not astronomical.

If you can get one player to a guy, even if the can't tackle him, he can slow him down and then gang tackles are quick with a speedy defense. Most recent example of this would've been tcu vs wisconsin in th rose bowl.

On the reverse, if you have only size on your side, it is much easier to scheme around and have your defense get beat.

However, size up front and speed in the other positions is always the best if you can't have size and speed everywhere.

If they can run when they get here, that is the biggest plus. With todays emphasis on nutrition, year round work outs, new strength trainer and new weight room facilitility they will put on weight and get stronger in time.

Fran killed speed. Sherm brought it back. Sumlin is taking it to another level.

Speed is important, but is being WAAY overplayed by some here.
Sherman had plenty of speed which is why we had huge leads over teams like Ark/ OSU.

But you can't just run fly patterns down the field all day outrunning everyone.

4.4 is barely noticeable over 4.5. I'll take instincts and 4.5 anyday.

That said, I think the level of speed of some of our newer recruits was late in being noticed by many coaches and we snuck in there. They also seemed very capable in their respective positions. So they are NOT just raw speed from what I've seen.
Yes, Toya Jones and Danny McCray were just speed merchants that eventually figured out the game enough to contribute their senior years.

But you better trust the instincts of these fast players or they are useless. A CB that runs fast but can't turn his hips might as well be a lifeguard cause he'll never make it in D1. Same with a WR that can't break off a good route. Good DBs will just give him room and break on his lazy round route and pick off the pass.
Anyhoo, I do like the looks of the speed guys we have gotten.

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I agree with everything except the 4.4 4.5 argument. If your qb is accurate and it's a one on one situation. A step is the difference between a td and a incomplete. And the point of the spread is to create one on one with the dbs. And if the safeties are doubling our speed demons all game, it should open up the passing game for the other wide outs. This is all assuming that showers can make the throws, which remains to be seen

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Quiv ran a 4.56 at 148 pounds. A couple weeks ago.

Speed, and a three star rating.

Reggie had tons of speed, Bucky didn't...

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I'm sure they are bigger than some people think but I seriously doubt theyve ever had 4 DTs that size in one class.


UH has pulled some big boys to play on the line for them the past few years...they just didn't have a wideout over 5 foot 2 inches or something like that.

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Bucky went 80 yds up the middle against So. Miss. in his first game (one of his first plays). He had speed and size.

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TAMU has easily had one of the top 10 fastest skill position rosters in the country for the last three years.

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easily? probably not, because we probably arent in the top 10.

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