*Amazing* detailed data on 3rd shots and vaccines from Alberta.

Essentially: “The hospitalization rate among 3x-vaccinated 80+ year olds is lower than the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated 12-29-year-olds.”

Incredible. Wow.
h/t @dylanhmorris https://t.co/GnhUslpLe4 pic.twitter.com/mQg6fcL6S5

— zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) January 15, 2022

Is that supposed to be shocking?

Is the rate per 100K in that age group or per 100K in that age group who actually were infected with COVID? Asking because you're much more likely to be infected with COVID if you're out living life rather than staying home.

Also, are all of these people hospitalized with COVID or for COVID?

Safe. Effective. Free. It's simply moronic to argue otherwise.

Salute The Marines said:

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Safe. Effective. Free. It's simply moronic to argue otherwise.

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Well....they're not free. That's what taxes are all about.

This will likely be completely debunked in the next few days. If it sounds unbelievable, it probably is.

I'm guessing this hospital is having a different experience.

There is a difference in total numbers and % per 100k. There is also a difference in "vaccinated" and 3 shots.

These details are key here.

Experts are proclaiming fully vaxxed plus boosted is the best way to mitigate Covid/Omicron and this result would support that claim.

Yep, vaccines work to reduce the severity, no question there. Everything else is pointless theater.

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Is that supposed to be shocking?

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It would be shocking to me if accurate.

The numbers seem small and make me question data accuracy. How many have been triple vaxxed, etc. Would be a great data point for triple vaxxed if accurate. Still not high enough of a risk for low risk members of my family to be vaxxed.

If we were only talking about Covid survival, would you rather be 80 and triple vaxed OR 25 and unvaxed? There are no more details on co-morbidities.

Pretty easy answer for me regardless for your Twitter stat.

Yea… I think everyone would prefer to be 25 over 80…

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There is a difference in total numbers and % per 100k. There is also a difference in "vaccinated" and 3 shots.

These details are key here.

Experts are proclaiming fully vaxxed plus boosted is the best way to mitigate Covid/Omicron and this result would support that claim.

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And then they'll claim a 4th/5th/6th booster means fully vaxxed.

And nobody was saying there's not a benefit to getting vaccinated for a certain percentage of the population. My only point was that I'm guessing the numbers of that hospital system don't match the ones in the OP.

At a minimum, the idea of this being a pandemic of the unvaccinated has been put to rest.

Good! Get ur vax, maybe you need your 5th one? Ok not changing my mind.

Data are past 120 days as of Jan 13. There's probably as much, if not more, delta in this dataset than omicron.

Doesn't appear to be, at least not in that presentation. As is usual with these health authority statistics, it doesn't appear to be a particularly thoughtful analysis. Just summary stats for a handful of groupings at a rather high level.

Best I can find is a histogram under their VOC tab that shows proportion of variants sampled over time. Delta isn't drowned out until about Christmas, and the AUC over the period (eyeballed) is heavy tilted toward delta. Not perfect or definitive, but probably more than I'm interested in digging myself.

Vaccines work and I'm glad it's helping the most at risk population level. 237 in 100k for unvaccinated under 30 is still below my give a **** level.

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I'm guessing this hospital is having a different experience.

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And I am going to guess the vaccination rate in Halifax is very high. So 33 out of 70 hospitalizations are from a very small segment. Not that I am surprised by that.

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Safe. Effective. Free. It's simply moronic to argue otherwise.

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Only the sith deal in absolutes.

So 12-29 go to hospital very minimally and 80+ who are vaccinated very minimally, so all ages vaccinated very minimally hospitalized. Time to stop posting/reporting data on cases and hospitalizations and go on 100% back to normal life.

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RAB91 said:

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I'm guessing this hospital is having a different experience.

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And I am going to guess the vaccination rate in Halifax is very high. So 33 out of 70 hospitalizations are from a very small segment. Not that I am surprised by that.

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78% of the population is fully vaccinated, but only 30% have the booster.

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Salute The Marines said:

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Safe. Effective. Free. It's simply moronic to argue otherwise.

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Well....they're not free. That's what taxes are all about.

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agsalaska said:

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RAB91 said:

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I'm guessing this hospital is having a different experience.

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And I am going to guess the vaccination rate in Halifax is very high. So 33 out of 70 hospitalizations are from a very small segment. Not that I am surprised by that.

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78% of the population is fully vaccinated, but only 30% have the booster.

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That tends to happen when the "scientific facts" for the vaccine turn out to be incorrect and it doesn't actually work. Or when much of Europe is against the booster because there has been little to no studies on what a booster does long term. Or when federal executives over approving the booster resign when it's rammed through outside of normal process. Or when the recommendation is to vaccinate kids while the data makes no sense to do so.

Start with the failed leadership who have got us to this situation where 50% less of America no longer trust what they are being told. Half of America wasn't suddenly too lazy to go back for a second or third shot after making the effort to get the first.

Halifax is in Canada.

LOL…"free"

The key stat for me is the average person who has died from Covid had 5 or more comorbidities. (And was typically elderly)

If you are in this category, you should take more precautions versus folks with zero or one comorbidity.

The one size fits all approach to this with strict mandates etc is just overkill and overreach.

I don't buy it for a second. I've had many 80+ yo vaccinated patients in my hospital. They tend to recover better than the unvaccinated ones but they do need admission at least for a little while.

In the last year I've worked here, I've had only 1 COVID patient under 30 and she was a morbidly obese. And I've had only 1 patient under 40.

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Halifax is in Canada.

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US stats are almost identical for percentage vaccinated versus percentage booster. I wasn't speaking to a tiny city in Nova Scotia that is irrelevant to trends. That's why I specifically stated the US.

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Halifax Health is in Daytona Beach, Florida. A small sample from a single hospital at one point in time is not proof. You can see a week later shows a large change.