The fact that no one with the ability to do the deep dive seems interested is pretty telling. Same reason we hear about spikes in sudden deaths for athletes around the world but we can't get any good data out of it. It's as if they are scared of what they might find. Or they already know the answer and don't want it out.

coolerguy12 said:

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Same reason we hear about spikes in sudden deaths for athletes around the world but we can't get any good data out of it.

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I've not heard anything of the sort...

coolerguy12 said:

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Same reason we hear about spikes in sudden deaths for athletes around the world but we can't get any good data out of it.

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Well probably because the news outlets that are claiming this vaccine related phenomenon is real are using suicides and deaths from 2013 to back up their claims.

NicosMachine said:

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Go to the 21 minute mark of this Zoom presentation where the President and CEO of OneAmerica insurance discusses what his company and others are seeing with regard to an explosion in all cause mortality, particularly among working-age individuals (not old people). The third and fourth quarter numbers indicate 40% increase over historical norms. A similar increase in all cause mortality has also been indicated in Germany and England. Could the vaccines possibly have anything to do with such numbers if they are correct? You would think someone would doing a deep dive on these numbers to search for causes. Has anyone seen a comprehensive assessment?

https://cbs4indy.com/video/chamber-of-commerce-indiana-hospital-association-discuss-covid-impact/7267146/

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Logically it's pretty easy to prove or disprove your theory. Take the most vaccinated countries that have data you trust. If vaccines kill young people at this 40% above average clip it will show up in the excess deaths.

There's really not a way to fully calculate all the societal harm we have done to ourselves over the last 20 or so months…

Lockdowns
Mental health/suicide
Drug abuse
Domestic violence
Destroying businesses/ jobs.
Forcing vaccines on people who don't need them.


I could go on…but the point is that we will learn the "solution" was way more harmful than the problem. Some of us have been saying that for well over a year. The rest of you will come around soon enough.

Again OP is incapable of accepting data that clearly proves this "just a theory" wrong. But OP isn't interested in the truth. Mostly he's just interested in peddling conspiracy theories.


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm#contribAff

Gordo14 said:

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Again OP is incapable of accepting data that clearly proves this "just a theory" wrong. But OP isn't interested in the truth. Mostly he's just interested in peddling conspiracy theories.


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm#contribAff

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So you contend the vaccine magically prevents deaths other than Covid? Really? By what mechanism? The authors of the study admit it is greatly limited by the fact results were not adjusted for baseline health status, underlying conditions, health care utilization, and socioeconomic status. The study was also, admittedly by the authors, affected by the healthy vaccine effect (healthier/wealthier people are more likely vaccinated than poorer/sicker people). That would easily account for the nonsensical result that Covid vaccines are preventing non-covid deaths. That said, while the data is useful, it does not prove the point you contend it proves. Your certainty has proved quite wrong on many occasions in the past (natural immunity is lost in 2-3 months, lockdowns work, vaccines prevent people from getting and spreading covid, shutting down the economy will protect old and sick people from dying from Covid, etc.).

Best of all, for some unstated reason, the authors decided to randomly exclude any vaccinated deaths within one month after vaccination. That would greatly skew the study in favor of vaccines especially for a six month study where unvaccinated persons had six months to die and the vaccinated subjects only had deaths counted for 5 months.