Trying to decide whether or not to get the booster. I had thought there was CDC data on omicron mortality unvaccinated/vaccinated/boosted but I'm struggling to find it. Can you point me in the right direction please. TIA
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Considering that the Omicron variant is basically a month old and confirmed cases have only been circulating in the States for weeks, there is probably a lack of real data out there.
Anecdotally, Omicron in general seems to be milder and almost a nothing burger for those who are vaccinated and boosted. I am sitting through it right now and I have nothing more than a slight sore throat, congestion, and watery eyes.
My doc said this is mirroring all but a handful of his cases.
Anecdotally, Omicron in general seems to be milder and almost a nothing burger for those who are vaccinated and boosted. I am sitting through it right now and I have nothing more than a slight sore throat, congestion, and watery eyes.
My doc said this is mirroring all but a handful of his cases.
I'd recommend just getting the booster. Even if you get exposed to omicron, it'll help give you an asymptomatic case, or a minimally symptomatic case. Your body will still recognize omicron and develop more specific immunity to the variant, but you'll have shorter duration of illness.
Worst case, you avoid getting a booster and you get sick and have to miss work, or even get delta or another variant that's worse than omicron.
I wish I had gotten my booster a week earlier than I did.
Worst case, you avoid getting a booster and you get sick and have to miss work, or even get delta or another variant that's worse than omicron.
I wish I had gotten my booster a week earlier than I did.
AquaCasaAg said:
Trying to decide whether or not to get the booster. I had thought there was CDC data on omicron mortality unvaccinated/vaccinated/boosted but I'm struggling to find it. Can you point me in the right direction please. TIA
I don't think the cdc has anything out, and I wouldn't put much stock in their info anyway.
I don't believe S Africa reported many deaths. Same with Denmark, and hospitalizations are very low.
Oops, typo
Not true, unless this is a typo and you meant many...Coates said:AquaCasaAg said:
Trying to decide whether or not to get the booster. I had thought there was CDC data on omicron mortality unvaccinated/vaccinated/boosted but I'm struggling to find it. Can you point me in the right direction please. TIA
I don't think the cdc has anything out, and I wouldn't put much stock in their info anyway.
I don't believe S Africa reported any deaths. Same with Denmark, and hospitalizations are very low.
fwiw cdc just backpedaled a lot on estimate of omicron % of cases. Initially reported to be 73% of cases in the US, revised to only 22%.
With the political background noise level, this seems iffy. My best source of unadulterated, real data works for the Methodist Hospital system. Through 12/23, Methodist "...now see almost exclusively..." the Omicron variant.88planoAg said:
fwiw cdc just backpedaled a lot on estimate of omicron % of cases. Initially reported to be 73% of cases in the US, revised to only 22%.
What percentage of tests are they sequencing for identification?buffalo chip said:With the political background noise level, this seems iffy. My best source of unadulterated, real data works for the Methodist Hospital system. Through 12/23, Methodist "...now see almost exclusively..." the Omicron variant.88planoAg said:
fwiw cdc just backpedaled a lot on estimate of omicron % of cases. Initially reported to be 73% of cases in the US, revised to only 22%.
If your concern is mortality then it really doesn't matter.
Omicron isn't killing people.
Omicron isn't killing people.
That is not in the text messaging that he and I shared, and I am not smart enough to have asked.bigtruckguy3500 said:What percentage of tests are they sequencing for identification?buffalo chip said:With the political background noise level, this seems iffy. My best source of unadulterated, real data works for the Methodist Hospital system. Through 12/23, Methodist "...now see almost exclusively..." the Omicron variant.88planoAg said:
fwiw cdc just backpedaled a lot on estimate of omicron % of cases. Initially reported to be 73% of cases in the US, revised to only 22%.
By the way, my wife and I are scheduled for a booster tomorrow (both 65+). I am all in, but she is not. During a discussion this morning I told her that I would look at the TexAgs COVID board for info. I read your post to her and told her that throughout the existence of this board you have been a sober, consistent and reliable source for rational thought regarding COVID. I just wanted you to know that I appreciate your participation on this board.
why not get an antibody test to see where you are at before getting booster?AquaCasaAg said:
Trying to decide whether or not to get the booster. I had thought there was CDC data on omicron mortality unvaccinated/vaccinated/boosted but I'm struggling to find it. Can you point me in the right direction please. TIA
Variant Proportions
Current (12/25/21) proportions are based on estimates, and Texas region is 87% Omicron.....and increasing rapidly.
Current (12/25/21) proportions are based on estimates, and Texas region is 87% Omicron.....and increasing rapidly.
I've got it now. Vaxxed, but not boosted (I had an allergic reaction to the second shot, so I wanted to talk to my doctor before getting boosted).
It's not a nothing burger, but I'm not going to die. Yesterday was pretty awful. Sort of like the worst hangover you've ever had. Where your body is just aching uncontrollably and going from hot to cold to hot to cold.
So far today is better, but it got worse yesterday in the afternoon, so we'll see how the day progresses.
It's not a nothing burger, but I'm not going to die. Yesterday was pretty awful. Sort of like the worst hangover you've ever had. Where your body is just aching uncontrollably and going from hot to cold to hot to cold.
So far today is better, but it got worse yesterday in the afternoon, so we'll see how the day progresses.
I'd appreciate seeing data to back up your assertions, here. Vaccines taking the edge off of Alpha and Delta is pretty widely accepted, but when fully & recently vax'ed folks are coming down with symptomatic Omicron and the baseline of virgin Omicron cases begins as mild symptoms - it doesn't seem evident that the vaxes are doing significant proportional good on this variant, nor that getting boosted makes a single degree of difference.bigtruckguy3500 said:
I'd recommend just getting the booster. Even if you get exposed to omicron, it'll help give you an asymptomatic case, or a minimally symptomatic case. Your body will still recognize omicron and develop more specific immunity to the variant, but you'll have shorter duration of illness.
Worst case, you avoid getting a booster and you get sick and have to miss work, or even get delta or another variant that's worse than omicron.
I wish I had gotten my booster a week earlier than I did.
There are also potentially fatal outcomes associated (albeit in small numbers) with getting boosted - so just flippantly cheering on everyone getting shots is both unfounded and irresponsible.
Same here. No argument with getting vaxxed, I think everyone should on their own (no mandates).
But not sold on a booster at this time. Too many stories of 3X vaxxed people going symptomatic. I'll wait for an Omicron specific booster if its even around by the time they make it to market. I don't need any practice injections.
But not sold on a booster at this time. Too many stories of 3X vaxxed people going symptomatic. I'll wait for an Omicron specific booster if its even around by the time they make it to market. I don't need any practice injections.
Anecdotal Evidence Here: I have been following the hospitalization charts for a while and back during the last two spikes I didn't ever personally know someone with Covid. Now, there is no real spike and it seems like every family unit we know has at least one member currently infected.
Clearly something has changed.
Clearly something has changed.
Sorry if I sound rude, but I don't really always feel like typing up a lengthy explanation of my opinions based on my experience and things I read. Here's some data if you're interested though:Get Off My Lawn said:I'd appreciate seeing data to back up your assertions, here. Vaccines taking the edge off of Alpha and Delta is pretty widely accepted, but when fully & recently vax'ed folks are coming down with symptomatic Omicron and the baseline of virgin Omicron cases begins as mild symptoms - it doesn't seem evident that the vaxes are doing significant proportional good on this variant, nor that getting boosted makes a single degree of difference.bigtruckguy3500 said:
I'd recommend just getting the booster. Even if you get exposed to omicron, it'll help give you an asymptomatic case, or a minimally symptomatic case. Your body will still recognize omicron and develop more specific immunity to the variant, but you'll have shorter duration of illness.
Worst case, you avoid getting a booster and you get sick and have to miss work, or even get delta or another variant that's worse than omicron.
I wish I had gotten my booster a week earlier than I did.
There are also potentially fatal outcomes associated (albeit in small numbers) with getting boosted - so just flippantly cheering on everyone getting shots is both unfounded and irresponsible.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.14.21267755v1.full.pdf
https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/blue-print/wendy-burgers_c19_whoconsulation_15dec2021.pdf?sfvrsn=2a2a7479_7
No - I appreciate it. Not my field, but I gave it a look. Interesting excerpt from the summary:
Which I take to mean that you've got to have been vaccinated/boosted shortly before Omicron infection for a benefit to be present.
And while I get that less replication = less severe illness, I don't see a severe reaction comparison between those groups - which is the metric most of us laymen care about: concerning potential hospitalization, what % risk reduction does the shot afford during the period where it may be active and of benefit.
Quote:
Remarkably, neutralization of Omicron was undetectable in most vaccinated individuals. However, individuals boosted with mRNA vaccines exhibited potent neutralization of Omicron only 4-6-fold lower than wild type, suggesting that boosters enhance the cross-reactivity of neutralizing antibody responses. In addition, we find Omicron pseudovirus is more infectious than any other variant tested. Overall, this study highlights the importance of boosters to broaden neutralizing antibody responses against highly divergent SARS-CoV-2 variants.
Which I take to mean that you've got to have been vaccinated/boosted shortly before Omicron infection for a benefit to be present.
And while I get that less replication = less severe illness, I don't see a severe reaction comparison between those groups - which is the metric most of us laymen care about: concerning potential hospitalization, what % risk reduction does the shot afford during the period where it may be active and of benefit.
Fantastic thread (both in style and substance)
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) December 29, 2021
Although Omicron is very capable of evading antibodies and causing reinfections/breakthroughs, it barely evades T-cells at all, meaning vaxxed or recovered people are likely to retain very good protection against severe disease https://t.co/72rMB3qjBB
The extensive data some of you want about the impact of a booster until you've been exposed to Omicron many times over. Odds are very very good that the booster helps both in terms of infection and severity. Preliminary data supports that information. Not sure why you'd hesitate to get the shot
Gordo14 said:
The extensive data some of you want about the impact of a booster until you've been exposed to Omicron many times over. Odds are very very good that the booster helps both in terms of infection and severity. Preliminary data supports that information. Not sure why you'd hesitate to get the shot
There is enough data showing without the booster you'll still have a very mild experience, likely much more mild than 3rd shot experiences I've heard of, doesn't seem to be worth it for the younger/healthier population.
That and some people don't want to feel like a lab rat anymore. I understand this is all new, but the BS spouted in March/April about these vaccines was almost 100% incorrect. I'll take my chances with this variant, maybe there will be an actual vaccine that isn't dependent on 'hopeful' boosters every few months.
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