covid meds to take

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flintdragon said:

Didn't really want this to turn into a political thing. Wish politics didn't come into play in every aspect of our lives but it is.

Wife felt a little better today but still not good. I understand it could come back and hit her hard in a couple days or so. Hopefully not. She decided against seeking additional treatments such as ivermectin. It's her choice and I respect that. We will continue to be vigilant and keep a careful eye on her O2 levels and keep pounding the OTC cocktail.

When is ivermectin too late to be considered?


Do you live near the metroplex? Go see Dr. Lozano. Steroids, antibiotics, HCQ and she is very strict about blood sugar monitoring.
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There are actual studies that show that the medicine might have an effect. So I always wonder why people need to lead with some of the shadier claims.

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Ivermectin should be taken as early as possible.



Because covid is such a mild disease for most the "early as possible" logic can be used to prove that anything is more effective, because when it doesn't work you can just say, well you didn't do it early enough.


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Below is a 20 minute video from a retired doctor. You should watch.



Ph.D. in nursing education. There are actual MD's on this board that do not come to these same conclusions.
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RKnasty said:

I'm 27 and just got the Rona today for the first time. I went and got a monoclonal antibody treatment. Scratchy throat, fatigue, chills, and diarrhea. Gonna be a hell of a night according to the doc. But my symptoms have not gotten worse since they appeared late last night this morning.

Any tips would be helpful. Currently stocked on DayQuil, theraflu, Gatorade, and couch medicine


I got the antibody treatment a few months ago. Was feeling pretty crappy before I got the treatment but the following 18-24hrs it felt like I ran a marathon and then got hit by a train at the finish line. The next day, I mowed my entire lawn and felt 100% from then on. Unbelievable turnaround. Good luck!
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One of the biggest issues with Omicron is going to be the lack of efficacy with monoclonal infusions. They just don't match well with the mutated spike protein. Fortunately, it appears to be milder and the new pfizer pill will work.
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I'm not sure if anyone really knows how late is too late because it likely varies. I guess it can work for some even if on a ventilator for weeks?
https://rescue.substack.com/p/a-judge-stands-up-to-a-hospital-step

Ivermectin shouldn't be political, since it is on the NIH's own list of possible treatments under evaluation. However, this page was updated on the 16th and now looks very different.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211212175435/https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2e/

Unlike all the others, except Remdesivir, it appears Ivermectin is the only treatment the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel hasn't recommended against.
https://files.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/guidelines/section/section_96.pdf
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Unfortunately, covid is a very politicized event. Remember how adamant Harris and Biden were about the vaccine when trump was in office? Then they get the nod and it's a life saving vaccine (that they, not trump, brought to market). It's a political thing.

I hope you all do well. Please keep us posted on your journey through this. Those of us that pray are praying for you and your family.
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thanks so much guys for your help and prayers.

Wife is doing much better though we are still keeping a watchful eye. She had it bad but O2 levels never quite dropped. Hopefully it is over and that no one else catches it.

About politics, that website y'all posted is amazing. So much information. Yet when I just do a google search for "official" treatment plan, I get nothing. Almost everything is just wait and wait until you need to go to the ER. I'm not a conspiracy theory kind of guy but it is really hard to ignore that there is some kind of agenda.
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flintdragon said:

thanks so much guys for your help and prayers.

Wife is doing much better though we are still keeping a watchful eye. She had it bad but O2 levels never quite dropped. Hopefully it is over and that no one else catches it.

About politics, that website y'all posted is amazing. So much information. Yet when I just do a google search for "official" treatment plan, I get nothing. Almost everything is just wait and wait until you need to go to the ER. I'm not a conspiracy theory kind of guy but it is really hard to ignore that there is some kind of agenda.


Awesome to hear she's doing better. Glad you like the website. It's hard to believe so many ignore it for purely political purposes. Shouldn't be political at all, but it is.
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Amen.

So glad to hear she's doing better.
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Haven't looked into it myself because I haven't had the time.

What's the difference between the Pfizer pill and Ivermectin? Don't they both at least claim to do the same thing in stopping the replication of the spike proteins?
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Woods Ag said:

Haven't looked into it myself because I haven't had the time.

What's the difference between the Pfizer pill and Ivermectin? Don't they both at least claim to do the same thing in stopping the replication of the spike proteins?


Yes but the new pill is much more efficient at physiologic doses.
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KidDoc said:

Woods Ag said:

Haven't looked into it myself because I haven't had the time.

What's the difference between the Pfizer pill and Ivermectin? Don't they both at least claim to do the same thing in stopping the replication of the spike proteins?


Yes but the new pill is much more efficient at physiologic doses.


If this is true, why are vaccines needed? Where are the double blind randomized peer-reviewed tests showing this new pfizer drug is better than ivermectin?
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If this is true, why are vaccines needed?
Interesting that people seem to be more willing to take a pill than a vaccine. I wonder if it's the actual jab that bothers many?

To provide my lay person's answer, the pill still hasn't been approved, even under an EUA, and there are limited supplies available. Early supposition is that the pill may not be made available to those who have been vaccinated. But, even when adequate supplies are available, my question is why not do both?

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Where are the double blind randomized peer-reviewed tests showing this new pfizer drug is better than ivermectin?
I don't know if they're publicly available yet, but Pfizer had to have such studies done and has submitted them with its application for approval. All new drugs have to go through that process.
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Just popped positive today

Mild
Sore throat
Aches
Minor fever
Congestion

I'm
In ftw. Where or who can I contact to get the treatments listed above? I want the antibody treatment

I'm 40 year old healthy adult male
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Jabin said:

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If this is true, why are vaccines needed?
Interesting that people seem to be more willing to take a pill than a vaccine. I wonder if it's the actual jab that bothers many?

To provide my lay person's answer, the pill still hasn't been approved, even under an EUA, and there are limited supplies available. Early supposition is that the pill may not be made available to those who have been vaccinated. But, even when adequate supplies are available, my question is why not do both?

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Where are the double blind randomized peer-reviewed tests showing this new pfizer drug is better than ivermectin?
I don't know if they're publicly available yet, but Pfizer had to have such studies done and has submitted them with its application for approval. All new drugs have to go through that process.


If there's a therapeutic that is safe and works, a vaccine is not necessary. But with billions to be made from vaccine sales, pfizer would never say this.

I'm not afraid of a jab, I've given blood more times than i can count. I'm afraid of myocarditis, blood clots, system failure, cytokine storm and death.

If the studies are not available, how can anyone say the pfizer pill works? Where's the evidence? Mention ivermectin, a proven VERY safe drug, and no study or evidence is enough, even though thousands of doctors are using it with positive outcomes. Mention this new pfizer drug, and the same people demanding double blind studies for ivermectin are saying it works, no evidence or studies available yet, but just trust pfizer and take this brand new drug,

They did the same with Remdesivir, which Fauci pushed hospitals to use and does not work.
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Positive today in Katy area. Looking for monoclonal antibodies. Called a few places and they're booked solid. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Same for me but ftw
Woods Ag
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Agreed whole heartedly. To say there ain't some ****ery going on would be naive. Idk where the ****ery begins tho.
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Wife continues to improve and feels much better today. But, she seems to be losing her sense of smell. Does that mean anything as far as what stage of recovery she's in? This is approximately day 7.
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I just released an appt I had at the Collin County Infusion for 4pm today. It's in McKinney.

972-548-6674

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flintdragon said:

Wife continues to improve and feels much better today. But, she seems to be losing her sense of smell. Does that mean anything as far as what stage of recovery she's in? This is approximately day 7.
My wife and I lost our on day 12 and 10. and was well after symptoms ended (around day 3 - bout 12 hours after starting protocol). The recovery for the smell is also random, I got mine back in 13 days. Took my wife almost 30 days. She still has smell distortion, many smells just smell like smoke, and it has caused coffee to smell like burnt hair.

Anyway, keep us posted and glad y'all are doing better.
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Beerosch said:

Positive today in Katy area. Looking for monoclonal antibodies. Called a few places and they're booked solid. Anyone have any suggestions?
Did you have to give vaxx status? I know there are few groups that are "withholding" treatment for only vaxxed patients in the DFW area, not sure about Houston.
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flintdragon said:

Wife continues to improve and feels much better today. But, she seems to be losing her sense of smell. Does that mean anything as far as what stage of recovery she's in? This is approximately day 7.
9 and 10+ are where you can see recovery or it getting worse.

I hope it is the former and everyone is on the mend by now!
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Do you have an oximeter? If not get one, keep checking. If her oxygen levels start dropping, get to the hospital.
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Thanks for the followup guys. She's doing very good now. Up and around. Only stuffy nose and some loss of taste/smell left. Still taking the immune boosters. Hopefully this all ends soon!
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haha, it's my turn to get covid. Same thing as my wife previously. Go to kid's volleyball tournament, get covid 2 days later.

My symptoms are pretty mild. Not worried at all and just taking the recommended supplements.
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snowdog90 said:


If this is true, why are vaccines needed? Where are the double blind randomized peer-reviewed tests showing this new pfizer drug is better than ivermectin?


Vaccines and therapeutics serve different purposes.

The phase2/3 trail data was announced here.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-announces-additional-phase-23-study-results

There is no comparable study showing the efficacy of ivermectin. If there was, everyone would be very happy about it and there wouldn't be any controversy.
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If there's a therapeutic that is safe and works, a vaccine is not necessary.

This is completely incorrect.
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what if the shot is a therapeutic to begin with?
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A therapeutic treats a disease after you get it. The vaccines don't do that.
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they dont seem to do much of anything unless you're already flirting with death.
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Facts aren't on your side. They prevent severe disease and death, on the order of 20 fold reduction.

Giving a vaccine to a person who is already ill does absolutely nothing.
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yeah, avg age of death 79, avg comorbidities is >4. If you sit in either of those 2 catagories you're flirting with death.

the vaccine saved them. the rest of us just had to bendover while they shoved them down our throats when there were other methods of treating covid that they swept under the rug or outright refused to acknowledge.

This jab never prevented infection. They used the case study that stated that it is 94.1% effective at "preventing serious illness, blah blah blah" and told everyone if we didnt take it we were killing grandma. When it became obvious that it wasn't preventing infection at a 95% clip they said itw as because of delta and lowered it to around 60%. When it became obvious that that was complete nonsense they said it was omicron.

We can talk about this vaccines ability to minimize symptoms and prevent death in those that are in bad health. But that isn't really a vaccine until they changed the definition. It's more closely related to a therapeutic.


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You're still laboring under misconceptions. The reduction in severe illness and death is across age groups. It also reduces the likelihood of symptomatic infection. It does prevent infection, but not at the same rate it prevents severe illness. This prevention of infection is susceptible to variants, but the protection vs severe illness isn't, or isn't to as much of a degree.

I don't feel like arguing with you, though. Believe whatever you like.
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