Between the 40x and 20x thread, no one has been able to dispute this analysis:



Compare the groups with Table 4 (COVID+) with Table 8 (COVID Deaths) over the same period:

That means 35,492 cases for unvaccinated 30-39 year olds with fatalities of 236, a CFR of 0.66% versus 3,493 vaccinated cases with 12 deaths, a CFR of 0.34%.

That's a 2x versus the 23x presented in the study.

Article was written by Dr. Joseph Mercola, career antivaxxer that used to sell tanning beds that "cured" cancer.

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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Or they have think they natural immunity

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This is the kind of crap that makes this board a cult.

Alex Berenson - This is not how it was supposed to go.
Deaths hitting new highs in Singapore (85% of the population fully vaccinated - NOT adults, the entire population): #VaccineSideEffects #vaccinedeaths #COVID #COVID19

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— Ric Bis (@bis_ric) November 12, 2021

Singapore strategy:
Complete lockdown
Free covid healthcare
Aggressive vaccine campaign
Ease lockdown

They are easing away the lock down now, so they are seeing death skyrocket… to a whopping 15 a day. And guess what most of them are unvaxxed, so the government is now is now saying no vaccine, no free health care.

Meanwhile if their numbers are to believed, they are sitting at 90 deaths per million, and we are at 2300 per million.

None. Didnt even go to doctor. Took a covid test in a drive through. Came back positive. So just drank a lot of water and some zicam occasionally and some emergenC. Rest of my family was same. None of them went to doc when they had it, just rode it out.

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Singapore strategy:
Complete lockdown
Free covid healthcare
Aggressive vaccine campaign
Ease lockdown

They are easing away the lock down now, so they are seeing death skyrocket… to a whopping 15 a day. And guess what most of them are unvaxxed, so the government is now is now saying no vaccine, no free health care.

Meanwhile if their numbers are to believed, they are sitting at 90 deaths per million, and we are at 2300 per million.

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The problem with this is the there is a lot of crossover between those that are pushing vaccination on others and those that believe healthcare is a right and think healthcare should be universal. This is the case in a lot of countries that are providing it as well.

But now - if you are denying healthcare you are technically denying a right. And you are therefore no longer saying healthcare is a right. You are using force and coercion to deny someone a right which is always the argument of those against government seizing control of anything. They can deny it to you against your will. That's what is happening here.

In a true free market, you can play this game but as long as government continues to intervene significantly in this sector than you simply can't deny healthcare.

Anyway, if you truly what a paternalistic system like Singapore where people have no ability to think outside of the process, so be it.

Furthermore, the article in the OP stated that an expert said, "we know masking works" yet there continues to this day to be absolutely zero evidence of masks working. Further misinformation cited by the so called "experts."

The washington post all clowned Desantis by saying the coronavirus waves were "season" yet Gavin Newsom just recently said the same thing yet we hear crickets. Why isn't the washington post writing an article citing the same "experts" to debunk this claim?

This bias and hypocrisy should let people know that the washington post have very little credibility.

Dear God... https://t.co/CvppSwJxZX pic.twitter.com/Q7CsuLyH4D

— Matt Couch (@RealMattCouch) November 12, 2021

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Dear God... https://t.co/CvppSwJxZX pic.twitter.com/Q7CsuLyH4D

— Matt Couch (@RealMattCouch) November 12, 2021

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This is a panel of vaccine injured. One man's 16 year old son died from the vax.

Some of them started support groups on facebook, getting thousands of members suffering side effects from the vax. Facebook shut them down for "misinformation".

Heartless clown world we live in.

Starts at minute 31
https://rumble.com/vokrf7-sen.-johnson-expert-panel-on-federal-vaccine-mandates.html

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Singapore strategy:
Complete lockdown
Free covid healthcare
Aggressive vaccine campaign
Ease lockdown

They are easing away the lock down now, so they are seeing death skyrocket… to a whopping 15 a day. And guess what most of them are unvaxxed, so the government is now is now saying no vaccine, no free health care.

Meanwhile if their numbers are to believed, they are sitting at 90 deaths per million, and we are at 2300 per million.

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Obesity rate in Singapore: 8.9%
Obesity rate in USA: 40%

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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I've had covid. Positive test Dec 24 2020. Before vaccines. Mild case despite 54 year old overweight and sedentary.

I also enrolled in an antibody study as soon as I heard about it. I've monitored my antibody levels. I'm confident I have protection, and have verified that objectively.

Why should I get a vaccine when I have natural immunity? Why ridicule that personal health decision by assuming the decision is political?

I do not need the vaccine. That doesn't make me anti-vax. Rather I've examined my own personal health history and made a decision for myself based on lab results, not politics.

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Singapore strategy:
Complete lockdown
Free covid healthcare
Aggressive vaccine campaign
Ease lockdown

They are easing away the lock down now, so they are seeing death skyrocket… to a whopping 15 a day. And guess what most of them are unvaxxed, so the government is now is now saying no vaccine, no free health care.

Meanwhile if their numbers are to believed, they are sitting at 90 deaths per million, and we are at 2300 per million.

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Obesity rate in Singapore: 8.9%
Obesity rate in USA: 40%

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And that proves vaccines don't work how exactly?

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I am much more concerned about how this whole thing has effected society than the virus itself. That we live in a society that is so scared of this that they support mandating the vaccine for adults or especially supporting mandating the vaccine for children 5 years old and up is disturbing to me.

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Couldn't have said it better myself!

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same. my FIL is basically furious that we arent vaccinating our 5 year old. It is really pissing me off because he is really close to the line of disrespecting my wife.

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Between the 40x and 20x thread, no one has been able to dispute this analysis:



Compare the groups with Table 4 (COVID+) with Table 8 (COVID Deaths) over the same period:

That means 35,492 cases for unvaccinated 30-39 year olds with fatalities of 236, a CFR of 0.66% versus 3,493 vaccinated cases with 12 deaths, a CFR of 0.34%.

That's a 2x versus the 23x presented in the study.

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No it's not. You are missing the fact that vaccine prevents people from even becoming a case. You have to consider the deaths as a fraction of the whole vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Here's the correct math. There's approximately 4 MM people in that age bracket in Texas. For simplicity, if we assume 60% of that pop is fully vaccinated (roughly what the 16-49 age group is for Texas) then the math is (12/2.4MM)=0.0005% vs (236/1.6MM)=0.015%

The ratio of those two fractions would be 30x or pretty close to what the two studies have reported. I assume the difference is because there are more vaccinated 30-39 year olds than I assumed.

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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This and the spurious caveat that it is just old or obese people.

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That's not really spurious at all. The word you're actually looking for is "specious" not "spurious."

But that mistake notwithstanding, it's factual that 80% of all covid deaths have been obese.

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Nope. I don't think the caveat is specious at all. The facts bear it out. It's spurious because it lacks any relevance to the problem at hand.

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You don't think that 80% of covid deaths being obese bears any relevance? That's preposterous.

It's exceedingly relevant because every single shred of data shows that if you're young (under 55) and healthy with no underlying issues (though there are tons of people with an overly optimistic assessment of their own health & weight) then the risks of a serious case of covid, regardless of strain, is miniscule. Less than 0.05%- so if it's truly 40x more risky for the unvaccinated and you're young and healthy it jumps all the way up to 0.02%.

That's very relevant to the discussion at hand. "Spurious" is false or fake. "Specious" means superficially attractive but actually incorrect. Your statement was that the introduction of the characteristics of age and obesity as being false or fake is undeniably incorrect. The correct usage would be arguing the information was "specious" despite the fact that's incorrect as well because the data is factual. You're just wrongly classifying a rebuttal as specious.

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This post got 10 recs. And nobody pointed out the glaring math error where 40x 0.05% became 0.02% instead of 2%. Kind of highlights that we are at the point where people aren't making decisions based on the numbers at this point.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. I'm gonna let you think about these ratios for a bit:

(12/2.4MM)=0.0005% vs (236/1.6MM)=0.015%

This is an echo chamber.

In the real world, NO ONE who hasn't already been vaccinated is going to do so. And responsible parents are not getting their children vaccinated. All the cute tv ads and scare tactics are falling on deaf ears. We're done.

yea, i would be interested in seeing the number of adults who are getting shots now. i agree that if you havent yet, youre very unlikely to do so.

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Dear God... https://t.co/CvppSwJxZX pic.twitter.com/Q7CsuLyH4D

— Matt Couch (@RealMattCouch) November 12, 2021

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The inability of certain people to understand VAERS despite being repeatedly told how it works is pathetic. Doctors are required to report any and everything to VAERS regardless of the actual cause so that we can have unbiased raw data that can be compared to background rates. Not only has there been no evidence that thr vaccine is cauding issues beyond background rates, vaccinated people are having better health outcomes than unvaccinated people for non covid related health issues as well.

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The inability of certain people to understand VAERS despite being repeatedly told how it works is pathetic. Doctors are required to report any and everything to VAERS regardless of the actual cause so that we can have unbiased raw data that can be compared to background rates. Not only has there been no evidence that thr vaccine is cauding issues beyond background rates, vaccinated people are having better health outcomes than unvaccinated people for non covid related health issues as well.

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Hang on, what? So the vaccine makes for better outcomes for other health issues? Or is that possibly a confound?

Super jab!

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Dear God... https://t.co/CvppSwJxZX pic.twitter.com/Q7CsuLyH4D

— Matt Couch (@RealMattCouch) November 12, 2021

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The inability of certain people to understand VAERS despite being repeatedly told how it works is pathetic. Doctors are required to report any and everything to VAERS regardless of the actual cause so that we can have unbiased raw data that can be compared to background rates. Not only has there been no evidence that thr vaccine is cauding issues beyond background rates, vaccinated people are having better health outcomes than unvaccinated people for non covid related health issues as well.

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No evidence??? Such bull*****! I post AGAIN!!! The panel on vaccine injury, at least 20 injured that speak. THese injured know of thousands more. Doctors on this panel talking about vaccine injury they've seen. One is from the military, a whistleblower.

Nobody on this board wants to watch this, i guess. It's devestating, and these people injured by the vaccine have no recourse, and are basically ignored by those who should want to help. Their lives are in shambles because of the vaccine, and nobody from the government, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J will help them.

Starts at minute 31
https://rumble.com/vokrf7-sen.-johnson-expert-panel-on-federal-vaccine-mandates.html

No evidence... what a ****ing joke.

I am not anti vax....but that 40X stat for TX is total BS...Kirsch rips it apart below:

The study says this:

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From January 15, 2021 to October 1, 2021, unvaccinated people were 40 times more likely to experience COVID-19-associated death than fully vaccinated people.

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Wow. A 40X death benefit. That's impressive. I read the Pfizer Phase 3 6 month study and it showed just a 2X death benefit. But the numbers were small there.
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According to the state's study, between Jan. 15 and Oct. 1, "unvaccinated people were 45 times more likely to have an infection with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people."

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OK, if the Texas study is right, then how do we explain the Harvard study Figure 1? The line should slope the other way since cases would be way down the more fully vaccinated you are.

And how do we explain the UCSF study which showed the same viral loads for vaccinated and unvaccinated which means the vaccine didn't work at all?

Here's what one of my team members wrote (I think she missed seeing the full report):

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"If you can get the data, I can try to make a proper interpretation. This one they present, is clearly garbage."

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My best friend in Dallas is a firefighter and EMT who drives ambulances. He told me before I flew to San Juan that almost everyone they drove was vaccinated.

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Whoops! That anecdote has to be pretty embarrassing for their study! Reality seems to match the Harvard study.

Generally, the techniques they use to game these studies are:
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Definitions of "vaccinated" restricted

Most cases during period of legacy variants

No accounting for naturally immune

No accounting for early treatment

Since unvaxxed are tested in the hospital with all kinds of fatal conditions and the vaxxed are not, many dying of other conditions are swept into the unvaxxed C19 group without clinical C19

[/ol]All designed to frighten Texas into vaccinating.

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I am not anti vax....but that 40X stat for TX is total BS...Kirsch rips it apart below:

The study says this:

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From January 15, 2021 to October 1, 2021, unvaccinated people were 40 times more likely to experience COVID-19-associated death than fully vaccinated people.

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Wow. A 40X death benefit. That's impressive. I read the Pfizer Phase 3 6 month study and it showed just a 2X death benefit. But the numbers were small there.
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According to the state's study, between Jan. 15 and Oct. 1, "unvaccinated people were 45 times more likely to have an infection with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people."

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OK, if the Texas study is right, then how do we explain the Harvard study Figure 1? The line should slope the other way since cases would be way down the more fully vaccinated you are.

And how do we explain the UCSF study which showed the same viral loads for vaccinated and unvaccinated which means the vaccine didn't work at all?

Here's what one of my team members wrote (I think she missed seeing the full report):

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"If you can get the data, I can try to make a proper interpretation. This one they present, is clearly garbage."

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My best friend in Dallas is a firefighter and EMT who drives ambulances. He told me before I flew to San Juan that almost everyone they drove was vaccinated.

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Whoops! That anecdote has to be pretty embarrassing for their study! Reality seems to match the Harvard study.

Generally, the techniques they use to game these studies are:
[ol]

Definitions of "vaccinated" restricted

Most cases during period of legacy variants

No accounting for naturally immune

No accounting for early treatment

Since unvaxxed are tested in the hospital with all kinds of fatal conditions and the vaxxed are not, many dying of other conditions are swept into the unvaxxed C19 group without clinical C19

[/ol]All designed to frighten Texas into vaccinating.

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Misinformation and twisted information and partial information has been the name of the game since Day 1.

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Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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Oh, the potential for irony here…

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At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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If you're vaccinated and have done all you can for yourself, your indifference or interest in the welfare of others should be completely meaningless, not to mention that what they decide for themselves is NONE of your business…