gunan01 said:

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Lol ya that's what antivaxxers do. They try to pigeonhole people who don't think like them as "clinically insane". Thank god the majority of America doesn't think like you.

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Actually without coercion, I'd bet the majority of Americans wouldn't vaccinate their children

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94chem said:

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I have 6 kids. I know a lot more kids than 99% of you. I probably know even more kids than most pediatricians.

My 11 year old got it at Pine Covid and was sick for 2 days. Not a big deal.

Several of her friends got it - also no big deal.

3 of her other friends also got it.

- One was very sick with flu-like symptoms for a week, high fever, then recovered.
- One was sick like that, but the fever didn't break. After a week she went to the ER, wasn't admitted, but did put a scare in her parents before the fever finally broke.
- The 3rd one recovered quickly from Covid, but a few weeks later developed severe abdominal pain, was diagnosed with acute appendicitis, but later confirmed as a case of MIS-C. He was admitted to TCH where they had a ward full of them, and he has recovered. Scared the heck out of everyone, and many people were praying for him.
ALL 3 OF THE ABOVE WERE ATHLETES (SWIMMING, CROSS-COUNTRY, SOCCER...), NO UNDERLYING CONDITIONS

On my daughter's cross country teammates (just finished 7th in the state in 6A), who was one of their up-and-coming runners, as well as her elite varsity XC brother, both got Covid. They recovered after a week, but they've been unable to get back to their running form...even after several months. Covid basically cost them a season. This was like 3 months ago - the flu doesn't do this, y'all. 15 - 16 years old, obviously in elite athletic condition. It remains to be seen if they will ever regain their top running form.

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Wow, impressive! Maybe the oddest "brag" (I guess) I've ever seen.

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Hey, I can back it up.

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My experience seeing kids (and I have seen plenty as a teacher) is that Covid is far easier on kids than the flu. None of the kids that we've had out are having any real symptoms of concern.

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Thank you. That's what I've observed as well

Sheesh. I remember why I don't come over to this board any more. The constant fear mongering. Belittling of outside opinions. And of course, the stories about how every person on this board has all the anecdotal nightmare stories with covid. Especially for children and young healthy people.

Meanwhile back in reality, I would have never known this was any more than a flu season amongst my family and friends. Yeah, we had a lot of people get it. Everyone was okay. Knew of one person who died who was 65 and obese. Heard of 2 others but never met them. Not a single person under 65 had anything worse than the flu

The nerve by those on here to blame the unvaxed, or claim they are the ones living in fear, or made their choice to not participate in society? Disgusts me how far out once great, free republic has become

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planoaggie123 said:

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But you approve of an oppressive local government that requires medical treatment for low and basically no risk individuals. That, I cannot understand. But enjoy. I am sure more mandates will come. The power grab is just starting.

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The mandates are here and we are doing great and living normal life unless afraid of perfectly safe vaccine. 85% of local communities have been vaccinated so we are good. Plus, we will all have three hands soon.

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Again, you keep saying afraid, which is utter bulls*** and pure speculation. You're no better than the other extremists. You cannot stand others seeing things different, making a different choice than you, or going against daddy government. And that continues to be reiterated in your posts

you keep reinforcing that government gave you the permission to do so. Sorry, some of us just aren't okay with that and see through that bulls*** of actually being free

Also, when you say 80% are living as normal. I assume you mean without masks right? Children included in that number? Because there is nothing normal about wearing masks

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bay fan said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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Right. Bay Area lives in a constant state of fear + they cannot go to eat unless vaccinated.....big government forcing people into a corner....

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Funny you seem to know more about where I live then I do. Our restaurants are full of vaccinated people. The only people living in fear not doing anything are those afraid of a safe vaccine. It's their choice to stay home.

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I know Bay Area people are lead by fear mongering leaders/politicians and apparently more than 50% of the residents are happy to submit to them.

People not wanting or needing a vaccine is not fear.

I don't just go get random injections of medical treatments for the heck of it but that doesn't meant I am afraid of them…just don't need them. I get what I need and only what I need.

I think government mandating or heavily influencing vaccine is wrong.

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Okay. But 80+ % of our population is vaccinated and we live life as normal, not hiding under our beds.

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Aren't you the same guy that was going to an Aggie game and were really concerned about the vaccination status of those seated near you? That's not normal fyi.

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planoaggie123 said:

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bay fan said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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Right. Bay Area lives in a constant state of fear + they cannot go to eat unless vaccinated.....big government forcing people into a corner....

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Funny you seem to know more about where I live then I do. Our restaurants are full of vaccinated people. The only people living in fear not doing anything are those afraid of a safe vaccine. It's their choice to stay home.

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I know Bay Area people are lead by fear mongering leaders/politicians and apparently more than 50% of the residents are happy to submit to them.

People not wanting or needing a vaccine is not fear.

I don't just go get random injections of medical treatments for the heck of it but that doesn't meant I am afraid of them…just don't need them. I get what I need and only what I need.

I think government mandating or heavily influencing vaccine is wrong.

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Okay. But 80+ % of our population is vaccinated and we live life as normal, not hiding under our beds.

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How is having to show a vaccine card to enter a restaurant or retail store normal? Do kids normally wear masks to school?

I'm sure that's living life great to you, but its not to the majority of people here. Most of us have been living normal for well over a year, normal restaurant outings, vacations, etc. Not being paralyzed by this virus.

And most of us are vaccinated, but believe it or not we view the vaccine as a personal choice for us and our kids.

We aren't going to agree, but don't lie and tell us life in California is normal, that is complete BS.

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The vitriolic responses to someone sharing that their children are doing well after being vaccinated is pretty sad. As though we don't all wish those children well. My family (including children) have been vaccinated. Most of us are perfectly healthy and at low risk of long term repercussions from COVID. However, if we catch it, the vaccine will mitigate that risk and reduce the period in which we are likely to infect others. Perhaps that will prevent us from infecting someone like my grandmother, who died from COVID in May.

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Sorry for your loss but I haven't seen a single post in here spewing vitriol at people who have chosen to vaccinate their children. Rather the vitriol has been at those who are so self righteous and sanctimonious about those of us who have made the very rational choice to not subject our healthy children to an unnecessary injection of dubious necessity.

As somebody who use to live in northern California and recently spent several weeks in the Bay Area life in California is not normal. I've travelled a lot during Covid and it's really the only place in the past six months that really left me scratching my head and saying WTF has this become. Lots of California friends think the same (although pretty all of them live in and around the Bay Area - not many in Southern California).

I say that as a fully vaccinated person who has no problem abiding by any businesses/government precautions of places I live/travel.

Agreed - and I've been very surprised with the number of pediatricians opposed to vaccinating children right now. I would say about 80% of our friend group is probably pretty pro vaccine and even if they are not then they still got themselves vaccinated. Most of these peoples are taking a wait and see approach on the vaccine at the advice of their pediatricians.

We were ready to get our kids vaccinated before our pediatrician said please wait. Same story for numerous others. Quite strange to criticize families for listening to the advice of their doctors. But that is the world we currently live in…

I'm not sure why you think I would have control over her health decisions. We could only control our own behavior. I can tell you that she regretted her decision not to get vaccinated.

Having to show a vax card isn't normal, being escorted to a table 'sans mask' and bragging about it isn't normal. Acting like a tough guy about wearing a mask isn't normal.

imagine thinking about any other persons vaccination status at any time ever. woof.

Saw a commercial about how the vaccine won't have any effects on the reproductive system of kids.

What a weird commercial.

However, we have no studies that show that there are no long term effects on children. This explains why pediatricians say please wait. The virus has so little threat to the children that why would you give them something that could have more risks than benefits?

🇹🇼 “Due to concerns over myocarditis and pericarditis, those aged 12-17 are not currently allowed to get a second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in Taiwan.” https://t.co/cvxZQVjZS6

— Ramin Farzaneh-Far MD (@rfsquared) November 10, 2021

We should be talking about this.https://t.co/DkGgxFo4T4

— BDW (@BryanDeanWright) November 15, 2021

Dr. Scot Youngblood, MD advocates for medical autonomy and provides insight into the risks of the #COVID vaccine.

"The Taiwan department of health states right now that slightly more people have died from the vaccines this year than the virus itself."#NoVaccineMandates pic.twitter.com/N3kPoRtcy9

— The Vigilant Fox (@VigilantFox) November 5, 2021

Jesus it's like reading my tinfoil hat wearing aunt's posts on Facebook.

As has been discussed many times on this board now, the risk of myopericarditis is a nothing burger with the vaccine, and much lower than the risk of myopericarditis with wild-type COVID-19 itself.

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Jesus it's like reading my tinfoil hat wearing aunt's posts on Facebook.

As has been discussed many times on this board now, the risk of myopericarditis is a nothing burger with the vaccine, and much lower than the risk of myopericarditis with wild-type COVID-19 itself.

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The 2nd dose of Pfizer has caused a much higher number than expected in ages 12-24, certainly wouldn't call it a 'nothing burger':

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf

I have had a tough time finding actual data on children and myopericarditis after Covid, anything you could provide would be great.

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planoaggie123 said:

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But you approve of an oppressive local government that requires medical treatment for low and basically no risk individuals. That, I cannot understand. But enjoy. I am sure more mandates will come. The power grab is just starting.

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The mandates are here and we are doing great and living normal life unless afraid of perfectly safe vaccine. 85% of local communities have been vaccinated so we are good. Plus, we will all have three hands soon.

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Again, you keep saying afraid, which is utter bulls*** and pure speculation. You're no better than the other extremists. You cannot stand others seeing things different, making a different choice than you, or going against daddy government. And that continues to be reiterated in your posts

you keep reinforcing that government gave you the permission to do so. Sorry, some of us just aren't okay with that and see through that bulls*** of actually being free

Also, when you say 80% are living as normal. I assume you mean without masks right? Children included in that number? Because there is nothing normal about wearing masks

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Actually, I simply show my vax record in my apple wallet and am escorted to my table sans mask. I do have to wear a mask at the grocery store etc but it's not worth freaking out about. I've had a real problem before, a mask for 20 minutes doesn't qualify.

I use the term afraid since despite living life as normal, doing everything I've ever done here and traveling wherever I want to go including Texas regularly, I am either characterized as afraid, cowering in my house or mentally ill.
Where is your outrage then?

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The scary, sad part is that you think this is okay.

There are some people that simply do not understand the line that is being walked at this moment....

"its just an app"...."its just a shot"....."its just a federal mandate"....


Not anti-vaxx. Anti-mandate and those willingly walking around flashing their "cards" like it is no big deal are giving away power to their government with every day that passes....

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Jesus it's like reading my tinfoil hat wearing aunt's posts on Facebook.

As has been discussed many times on this board now, the risk of myopericarditis is a nothing burger with the vaccine, and much lower than the risk of myopericarditis with wild-type COVID-19 itself.

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Yeah I'm going to disagree. The risk of myocarditis in 12-25 males specifically is about the same as the risk of being hospitalized for COVID in otherwise healthy patients. It is a serious issue and they need to look at options like spacing the doses farther apart, decreasing the dose, only doing one dose. This is the only reason Moderna's EUA for this age group is still pending as they did not find this adverse effect in the initial Pfizer studies just when they expanded vaccination. It is also the reason the 5-11 dose is 1/3 of the 12+ dose for Pfizer.

People like to quote the COVID myocarditis risk but I cannot find any real data on that.

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gunan01 said:

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There's not really a point in arguing with the anti-vaxxers. It's a bizarre cult.

I wish they'd go back to Forum 16 though. And leave this forum for legitimate COVID-19 infection/vaccine related discussion.

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Not one person on this thread has said they are anti-vax, just that they don't see the need in being first in line to vaccinate their 5-11 year old child with a vaccine that is only EUA. Multiple doctors have said the exact same thing.

Not sure why you can't understand the distinction.

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Spot on. In fact members of whatever committee approved the emergency vaccination status have said as much.

I am 36 and developed post vaccine symptoms. I experience dizzy/vertigo symptoms almost everyday for the past 7 months. My doctor suggested that I dont get the booster.

I would never give my kids the vaccine.

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Again, you keep saying afraid, which is utter bulls*** and pure speculation. You're no better than the other extremists. You cannot stand others seeing things different, making a different choice than you, or going against daddy government. And that continues to be reiterated in your posts

you keep reinforcing that government gave you the permission to do so. Sorry, some of us just aren't okay with that and see through that bulls*** of actually being free

Also, when you say 80% are living as normal. I assume you mean without masks right? Children included in that number? Because there is nothing normal about wearing masks

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Having just moved from SF, you are describing close to 100% of the population there. They simply cannot comprehend anyone not agreeing with their enlightened and infallible perspective. They are better educated and thus just better than you and I, so there's no reason to consider any other perspective. It is maddening how arrogant and condescending the people are there. Anyone wanting to do anything different is considered stupid, uneducated, evil, racist, misogynistic, anti-vax, etc etc. They simply don't understand why anyone would think different, because why would anyone ever argue against the only logical and correct perspective? And it pisses them off beyond belief.

I just got back from SF to visit my sister for thanksgiving. The idea that having to pass a bouncer to get into a restaurant and consider that normal is one of the most ludicrous and idiotic perspectives being spewed on here, and there's a lot of garbage regurgitated on this board at this point. But hey, at least my photoshopped vaccine certificate worked so I could have thanksgiving dinner with my family.

Thank god I'm back in Boise, where things are actually "normal." **** the Bay Area. So done with that hell whole and the willfully ignorant people who live there. I'll enthusiastically accept being a lesser person to live life without fear and hate.

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Jesus it's like reading my tinfoil hat wearing aunt's posts on Facebook.

As has been discussed many times on this board now, the risk of myopericarditis is a nothing burger with the vaccine, and much lower than the risk of myopericarditis with wild-type COVID-19 itself.

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