Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Most are concerned about reactions after the second shot like in adults, and the long term effects.

You do what's best for you but I want no part of that for my 6 and 8 year olds.

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You do what's best for you but I want no part of that for my 6 and 8 year olds.

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pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Report back in 10 years.

Here to report my kids are not a part of a science experiment and are doing just fine as well…not even a sore arm.

My children have not taken the experimental drug and spent the day yesterday playing with friends without masks.

Our two older kids have had covid (both had a runny nose, sore throat and fever for about 36 hours and that was it) and the third is a baby.

I don't have any real concerns about the safety of the vaccines in kids, but the benefit for kids that young is so minimal I'm not sure I'd have them vaccinated even had they not had it already. And even with the delta variant, kids are much less likely to transmit it than adults are. So even the population level benefit isn't that substantial IMO, at least relative to other viruses we vaccinate kids against.

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You do what's best for you but I want no part of that for my 6 and 8 year olds.

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If you've ever given your kids amoxicillin, you've exposed them to exponentially more risk than any vaccine currently in use poses them. About 1/100 kids will have a severe adverse reaction, and penicillin based antibiotics kill more kids in the western world every year than all vaccines currently in use combined.

Again, I don't think the benefit of vaccinating the pre-adolescent population is significant enough to warrant any sort of mandate or even strong physician recommendation for most kids to be honest. But the risk of serious adverse events, relatively speaking, is exceedingly low. Much much lower than many common meds we give our kids.

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pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Report back in 10 years.

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What exactly are you concerned about happening in 10 years? That they'll sprout a third arm?

I'm STILL waiting on a proposed mechanism from this board regarding just how these mythical distant vaccine manifestations in kids would occur.

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pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Report back in 10 years.

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What exactly are you concerned about happening in 10 years? That they'll sprout a third arm?

I'm STILL waiting on a proposed mechanism from this board regarding just how these mythical distant vaccine manifestations in kids would occur.

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First, do no harm.

You have zero idea whether what you propagate will cause harm in the future.

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pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Report back in 10 years.

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What exactly are you concerned about happening in 10 years? That they'll sprout a third arm?

I'm STILL waiting on a proposed mechanism from this board regarding just how these mythical distant vaccine manifestations in kids would occur.

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I like to see the rates of cancer in those vaccinated vaccine those not. I'd like to see the rates of insulin dependent diabetes in those vaccinated can those not. I'd also be interested in rates of allergies, asthma, infertility, etc, etc.

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pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Report back in 10 years.

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What exactly are you concerned about happening in 10 years? That they'll sprout a third arm?

I'm STILL waiting on a proposed mechanism from this board regarding just how these mythical distant vaccine manifestations in kids would occur.

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First, do no harm.

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You misunderstand what this means. Your interpretation would mean we could never give patients anything for any reason.

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You have zero idea whether what you propagate will cause harm in the future.

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We actually have a pretty good idea, because the basic concepts of biology and biochemistry allow us to make predictions based upon unchanging natural laws.

Using your model, we should never try anything new ever because there are a near infinite number of bad things that could potentially happen. But because our knowledge of base scientific principles renders virtually all of them impossible we don't have to live this way.

Using an ineffective emergency drug on children should be criminal, in my opinion.

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pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Report back in 10 years.

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What exactly are you concerned about happening in 10 years? That they'll sprout a third arm?

I'm STILL waiting on a proposed mechanism from this board regarding just how these mythical distant vaccine manifestations in kids would occur.

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First, do no harm.

You have zero idea whether what you propagate will cause harm in the future.

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Dr. Infection, do you ever prescribe azithromycin to treat infections? It's only been around since ~ 1980. How do we know that drug won't have detrimental effects in 50 years?? How can you expose your patients to such risk?

To add a little more context here, the 11 year old has significant risk factors for COVID (compromised lungs among a number of other factors) which might influence your thoughts. This was also recommended by pediatrician for both kids.

That said, even without the risk factors I would still have done this. The safety data for the vaccines is so incredibly good that although the benefit would be small for kids this age and only a modest effect on population transmissibility, I think it would still be worth it on a pure cost/benefit basis. It also boggles my mind how people think vaccines have some long term risk (that we've literally never observed with any vaccine and for which no plausible mechanism exists) but ignore the long term risk of a viral infection (I mean an HPV infection literally leads to cancer later).

Healthy kids are at incredibly minuscule risk. Basically no risk. This is also not the last coronavirus our kids are going to face. I think vaccinating is potentially doing them a disservice, because I think having a full immune response to the real deal in their history may benefit them later. A healthy immune system is a wonderful thing with an incredibly long memory. Sometimes we just need to let it work.

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Healthy kids are at incredibly minuscule risk. Basically no risk. This is also not the last coronavirus our kids are going to face. I think vaccinating is potentially doing them a disservice, because I think having a full immune response to the real deal in their history may benefit them later. A healthy immune system is a wonderful thing with an incredibly long memory. Sometimes we just need to let it work.

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Ya....you make a good argument for vaccines. There are quite a few viruses (varicella zoster, hpv, cmv, ebv) where natural inection leads to negative consequences down the road. Vaccines mitigate tha risk.

And yet 2002-2004 SARS patients had strong immune responses to this one

Yeah. i'm talking about coronavirus. You are not

DannyDuberstein said:

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Yeah. i'm talking about coronavirus. You are not

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Do you get that viruses have a tendency to exist in a latent state? Would that not be an unknown with COVID?

COVID? No, we have not.

SARS-CoV. Coronavirus. Yes, we have.

Not remotely close to the same thing. There are also other corona viruses that have been around for a very long time that are also not remotely the same thing as SARS-CoV-2.

pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Thanks for posting your experience.

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pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Report back in 10 years.

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What untoward side effects of the vaccine do you expect in ten years? Be specific.

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pocketrockets06 said:

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Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.

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Report back in 10 years.

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What exactly are you concerned about happening in 10 years? That they'll sprout a third arm?

I'm STILL waiting on a proposed mechanism from this board regarding just how these mythical distant vaccine manifestations in kids would occur.

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I like to see the rates of cancer in those vaccinated vaccine those not. I'd like to see the rates of insulin dependent diabetes in those vaccinated can those not. I'd also be interested in rates of allergies, asthma, infertility, etc, etc.

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How will the vaccine affect the rates of those things specifically? Please explain the mechanism thoroughly since you're so smart.

pocketrockets06 said:

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To add a little more context here, the 11 year old has significant risk factors for COVID (compromised lungs among a number of other factors) which might influence your thoughts. This was also recommended by pediatrician for both kids.

That said, even without the risk factors I would still have done this. The safety data for the vaccines is so incredibly good that although the benefit would be small for kids this age and only a modest effect on population transmissibility, I think it would still be worth it on a pure cost/benefit basis. It also boggles my mind how people think vaccines have some long term risk (that we've literally never observed with any vaccine and for which no plausible mechanism exists) but ignore the long term risk of a viral infection (I mean an HPV infection literally leads to cancer later).

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An Aggie friend's teen daughter developed seizures after the HPV vaccine. Neurologist told them it was from the vaccine and a known risk. Mom is a doctor and very pro-vaccine but obviously has regrets that her daughter still has occasional seizures. They hope it will go away. It's been over a year.

There are long-term and permanent risks from vaccines. Everyone has to decide if the risk outweighs the reward. For my kid and COVID, no. She has immunity and will not get a vaccine as long as I'm making her medical decisions.