Kids vaccine experience

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gunan01 said:

There's not really a point in arguing with the anti-vaxxers. It's a bizarre cult.

I wish they'd go back to Forum 16 though. And leave this forum for legitimate COVID-19 infection/vaccine related discussion.


Not one person on this thread has said they are anti-vax, just that they don't see the need in being first in line to vaccinate their 5-11 year old child with a vaccine that is only EUA. Multiple doctors have said the exact same thing.

Not sure why you can't understand the distinction.
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gunan01 said:

There's not really a point in arguing with the anti-vaxxers. It's a bizarre cult.

I wish they'd go back to Forum 16 though. And leave this forum for legitimate COVID-19 infection/vaccine related discussion.


It's unfair to call many of them anti-vaxxers, at least in the traditional sense. These largely aren't people who refuse to have their kids vaccinated for anything because they think it causes autism or other such nonsense.

Questioning whether or not your kid needs this vaccine is perfectly reasonable, because the risk of the disease to them is so incredibly low. My only contention is that objecting to it on the basis that it is wildly unsafe is, at this point, completely unfounded especially in light of other things people give their kids without thinking twice.

Again, if most people knew the data about the dangers of penicillin based antibiotics and applied the same logic to them that they do to the covid vaccine they'd never get their kids treated for strep throat. Penicillin is SO much more dangerous than any vaccine currently in use.
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gunan01 said:

There's not really a point in arguing with the anti-vaxxers. It's a bizarre cult.

I wish they'd go back to Forum 16 though. And leave this forum for legitimate COVID-19 infection/vaccine related discussion.
Who is anti-vaxx?

You don't like dissenting opinions. The internet might not be for you.
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redcrayon said:

gunan01 said:

There's not really a point in arguing with the anti-vaxxers. It's a bizarre cult.

I wish they'd go back to Forum 16 though. And leave this forum for legitimate COVID-19 infection/vaccine related discussion.
Who is anti-vaxx?

You don't like dissenting opinions. The internet might not be for you.


He's not afraid of Covid. He's a foot soldier for his tribe and they're generally angry people. That word makes him feel good. Count the times he's used it in one thread.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

gunan01 said:

There's not really a point in arguing with the anti-vaxxers. It's a bizarre cult.

I wish they'd go back to Forum 16 though. And leave this forum for legitimate COVID-19 infection/vaccine related discussion.


It's unfair to call many of them anti-vaxxers, at least in the traditional sense. These largely aren't people who refuse to have their kids vaccinated for anything because they think it causes autism or other such nonsense.

Questioning whether or not your kid needs this vaccine is perfectly reasonable, because the risk of the disease to them is so incredibly low. My only contention is that objecting to it on the basis that it is wildly unsafe is, at this point, completely unfounded especially in light of other things people give their kids without thinking twice.

Again, if most people knew the data about the dangers of penicillin based antibiotics and applied the same logic to them that they do to the covid vaccine they'd never get their kids treated for strep throat. Penicillin is SO much more dangerous than any vaccine currently in use.
I think there's a difference between treating a current infection and taking a new vaccine for a virus that is not dangerous to the young or that a child has already had. Would you agree that untreated strep is more dangerous than possibly being infected with COVID? That's how I see it but amazingly my child (older age group) has never needed antibiotics.

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Maybe create your own thread on that subject then. This one is for experiences of 5-11 year olds like the OP with the new Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for that age group.
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gunan01 said:

Maybe create your own thread on that subject then. This one is for experiences of 5-11 year olds like the OP with the new Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for that age group.


No.
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redcrayon said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

gunan01 said:

There's not really a point in arguing with the anti-vaxxers. It's a bizarre cult.

I wish they'd go back to Forum 16 though. And leave this forum for legitimate COVID-19 infection/vaccine related discussion.


It's unfair to call many of them anti-vaxxers, at least in the traditional sense. These largely aren't people who refuse to have their kids vaccinated for anything because they think it causes autism or other such nonsense.

Questioning whether or not your kid needs this vaccine is perfectly reasonable, because the risk of the disease to them is so incredibly low. My only contention is that objecting to it on the basis that it is wildly unsafe is, at this point, completely unfounded especially in light of other things people give their kids without thinking twice.

Again, if most people knew the data about the dangers of penicillin based antibiotics and applied the same logic to them that they do to the covid vaccine they'd never get their kids treated for strep throat. Penicillin is SO much more dangerous than any vaccine currently in use.
I think there's a difference between treating a current infection and taking a new vaccine for a virus that is not dangerous to the young or that a child has already had. Would you agree that untreated strep is more dangerous than possibly being infected with COVID? That's how I see it but amazingly my child (older age group) has never needed antibiotics.




Sure, untreated GAS is more dangerous to kids than covid. That being said most kids will get better whether they are treated or not. We treat primarily to reduce the risk of rheumatic fever which, while relatively rare even in untreated strep infections, has profound lifetime consequences if you get it.

My larger point though was about risk assessment, and more importantly our inability to assess risk objectively and relatively.
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Let's throw this tidbit into the pit...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210901090057.htm
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That is why we (my family) don't just sprint to medicine every time something causes sniffles/headache/etc....
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It seems some people are afraid of the potential long term side effects of a new vaccine, despite there being no proposed mechanism, nor any evidence of long term side effects in safety studies. But they're not afraid of the potential long term side effects of a virus that we still know very little about, and that has produced a lot of long term side effects in lots of people already.

Makes sense to me.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

redcrayon said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

gunan01 said:

There's not really a point in arguing with the anti-vaxxers. It's a bizarre cult.

I wish they'd go back to Forum 16 though. And leave this forum for legitimate COVID-19 infection/vaccine related discussion.


It's unfair to call many of them anti-vaxxers, at least in the traditional sense. These largely aren't people who refuse to have their kids vaccinated for anything because they think it causes autism or other such nonsense.

Questioning whether or not your kid needs this vaccine is perfectly reasonable, because the risk of the disease to them is so incredibly low. My only contention is that objecting to it on the basis that it is wildly unsafe is, at this point, completely unfounded especially in light of other things people give their kids without thinking twice.

Again, if most people knew the data about the dangers of penicillin based antibiotics and applied the same logic to them that they do to the covid vaccine they'd never get their kids treated for strep throat. Penicillin is SO much more dangerous than any vaccine currently in use.
I think there's a difference between treating a current infection and taking a new vaccine for a virus that is not dangerous to the young or that a child has already had. Would you agree that untreated strep is more dangerous than possibly being infected with COVID? That's how I see it but amazingly my child (older age group) has never needed antibiotics.




Sure, untreated GAS is more dangerous to kids than covid. That being said most kids will get better whether they are treated or not. We treat primarily to reduce the risk of rheumatic fever which, while relatively rare even in untreated strep infections, has profound lifetime consequences if you get it.

My larger point though was about risk assessment, and more importantly our inability to assess risk objectively and relatively.
Yes, COVID has really made this apparent.
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traxter said:

It seems some people are afraid of the potential long term side effects of a new vaccine, despite there being no proposed mechanism, nor any evidence of long term side effects in safety studies. But they're not afraid of the potential long term side effects of a virus that we still know very little about, and that has produced a lot of long term side effects in lots of people already.

Makes sense to me.
I think it's the difference between purposely having something injected into oneself versus only possibly getting the virus.

Maybe if we all tried harder to see the other side's point of view, things wouldn't have to get so contentious. One guy is more worried about a new vaccine and you are more worried about a new virus. Everyone has to decide for themselves and their families which is riskier. Maybe they know someone harmed by a vaccine. Maybe you know someone harmed by COVID. Maybe they're young and you're old. Maybe they're thin and you're fat. We're all just doing our best here. My family is a mixture of vaccine and natural immunity. No long term side effects from either so far. If someone grows a tail, I'll update here.
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We are all going to get it, so we need to accept that. I'm not siding one way or the other, but to say one is voluntary and the other is chance is wrong.
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traxter said:

It seems some people are afraid of the potential long term side effects of a new vaccine, despite there being no proposed mechanism, nor any evidence of long term side effects in safety studies. But they're not afraid of the potential long term side effects of a virus that we still know very little about, and that has produced a lot of long term side effects in lots of people already.

Makes sense to me.

For me regarding kids, it's not really long term. It's potential short term, extremely small sampling for the trial and the lack of risk for kids. My largest concern is 2nd dose for boys, which for older boys is about 1 in 5000 for myocarditis.

Frankly, I'm taking a wait and see approach. I want to see if there is a pause like with J&J (two days after I got it) as well as how it is handled as we ramp into hundreds of thousands to millions versus a few thousand.
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ORAggieFan said:

traxter said:

It seems some people are afraid of the potential long term side effects of a new vaccine, despite there being no proposed mechanism, nor any evidence of long term side effects in safety studies. But they're not afraid of the potential long term side effects of a virus that we still know very little about, and that has produced a lot of long term side effects in lots of people already.

Makes sense to me.

For me regarding kids, it's not really long term. It's potential short term, extremely small sampling for the trial and the lack of risk for kids. My largest concern is 2nd dose for boys, which for older boys is about 1 in 5000 for myocarditis.

Frankly, I'm taking a wait and see approach. I want to see if there is a pause like with J&J (two days after I got it) as well as how it is handled as we ramp into hundreds of thousands to millions versus a few thousand.


Most definitely not an anti-vax position. Just logical.
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My risk ranking for my 11 year old:

1) eating all of that Halloween candy (most harmful)
2) COVID
3) COVID vaccine (least harmful)
94chem,
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gunan01 said:

This is a good synopsis of what can happen with anyone (including kids) and COVID-19 infection. Most likely your child will do fine if he/she gets COVID-19.....most likely.

There's really no reason to avoid a basically harmless vaccine that can prevent serious illness, and rarely, death.


I'll wait some time before I give it to my kids. But thanks for letting us know.
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Zero reason for a general mandate to give this so called vaccine to kids or even adults. None.
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Really no way to know for sure that "we all are going to get it". Definitely a possibility, but not a certainty.
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gunan01 said:

Really no way to know for sure that "we all are going to get it". Definitely a possibility, but not a certainty.

No, it's a certainty for kids and most adults. If you doubt this, you really should not give advice in any form on this board.
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ORAggieFan said:

We are all going to get it, so we need to accept that. I'm not siding one way or the other, but to say one is voluntary and the other is chance is wrong.


I disagree that it's a certainty. Likely, yes. For certain? No.

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ORAggieFan said:

gunan01 said:

Really no way to know for sure that "we all are going to get it". Definitely a possibility, but not a certainty.

No, it's a certainty for kids and most adults. If you doubt this, you really should not give advice in any form on this board.
And a VAST majority of kids will never know they had it, or the symptoms will be no different than the normal 'sniffles', they'll never know it was COVID. Similar to how it's been in adults.
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Just piping in on my professional point of view at this time:

If your child has a risk factor and COVID is prevalent in your region- get it.

If your child has a risk factor and COVID is low where you are-- wait a month or two.

If your child has no risk factors wait at least a few months if not longer.

The EUA was specifically designed to prove efficacy not safety. Only 2300 kids got the vaccine which is enough to show short term efficacy but not to evaluate safety with rare side effects.

I'm very optimistic that the safety data will look excellent in a few months due to the lower dose. I'm hopeful this concept will be extended to the teen group as well as I don't think they need their current dose for protection and the myocarditis risk is no joke.

My only long term concern is duration of protection with the lower dose in this age group, only time will tell for that. Also curious to see what efficacy in preventing community spread which has been iffy with the Delta variant in the older population.
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WSJ opinion article, but highlights what most everyone has been saying. For healthy children there is not a benefit, several instances of fever over 104 degrees, not putting my kid through that for no reason.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/should-vaccinate-children-covid-19-infection-natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate-coronavirus-11636384215?mod=opinion_lead_pos7
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traxter said:

It seems some people are afraid of the potential long term side effects of a new vaccine, despite there being no proposed mechanism, nor any evidence of long term side effects in safety studies. But they're not afraid of the potential long term side effects of a virus that we still know very little about, and that has produced a lot of long term side effects in lots of people already.

Makes sense to me.
You can risk potential long term side effects of the virus and not get vaccinated, or you can get vaccinated and risk potential long term side effects of the virus and risk potential long term side effects of the vaccine.

Makes sense to me.
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ORAggieFan said:

gunan01 said:

Really no way to know for sure that "we all are going to get it". Definitely a possibility, but not a certainty.

No, it's a certainty for kids and most adults. If you doubt this, you really should not give advice in any form on this board.
ok I'll play. What's your evidence that we will all catch COVID-19 at some point?
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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00396-2

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gunan01 said:

ORAggieFan said:

gunan01 said:

Really no way to know for sure that "we all are going to get it". Definitely a possibility, but not a certainty.

No, it's a certainty for kids and most adults. If you doubt this, you really should not give advice in any form on this board.
ok I'll play. What's your evidence that we will all catch COVID-19 at some point?
I don't have any specific article but we all usually catch a tremendous variety of respiratory viral pathogens in our youth. No reason to think COVID is different over years.

RSV is a good equivalency.

Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) | NIH: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases

Quote:

n the United States, nearly all children become infected with RSV by age 2, with 75,000 to 125,000 of them hospitalized each year. Globally, RSV affects an estimated 64 million people and causes 160,000 deaths each year.
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Pine Covid
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But we also know that most kids don't get the RSV vaccine and that it is short-lived in effectiveness. I think my son had to get the RSV shot annually until he was 3-4. If the vaccine for RSV had the staying power of the measles vaccine, I think you could make the same argument that we wouldn't all get it.
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Kids at greater risk of death from drowning in the bath tub, murder, lightning strike, the flu, car wreck… Hard Pass!!!
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BrandonC said:

Kids at greater risk of death from drowning in the bath tub, murder, lightning strike, the flu, car wreck… Hard Pass!!!


Yah but their overweight cat lady English teacher with no kids won't have to be uncomfortable if you get your kids vaccinated. Why don't you care?
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I think this thread went too far without asking gunan01 if he has kids. I think it matters in the context of this thread.
 
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