While unfortunate, your friends child's seizures are an immediate effect of the vaccine, not what people are typically asking about when they say long-term. We know some of these immediate effects are possible as vaccine side effects in general. We haven't really seen them with the COVID vaccines with the exception of the myocarditis in teen and 20's boys. And with the mRNA platform, there is plausible reason to suspect that there are fewer side effects than with a typical vaccine. Which is what we have observed.
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We're 24+ hours in and still no side effects. Now going swimming and horseback riding.
DannyDuberstein said:Diyala Nick said:
Not remotely close to the same thing. There are also other corona viruses that have been around for a very long time that are also not remotely the same thing as SARS-CoV-2.
Ironic lecture from a guy using Epstein-Barr to try to make a point
My point is that viruses, in general, may lie dormant for long periods of time, only to express themselves in very nasty ways years later. EBV is one example. At present, we do not know if this will be the case with COVID, but it will almost certainly not be with the vaccines.
Too lazy to look it up again, but even mild covid cases can present itself negatively later on in life. Since the vaccine reduces symptoms, presumably, vaccinated people can still be effected from the virus in the future.
Everyone who had chicken pox has a chance to develop shingles later in life and get a shingles vaccine. Could there be hope in the future there is another vaccine for those who develop side effects from covid?
Everyone who had chicken pox has a chance to develop shingles later in life and get a shingles vaccine. Could there be hope in the future there is another vaccine for those who develop side effects from covid?
gunan01 said:01agtx said:pocketrockets06 said:
Both of my kids (8, 11) got their first shot today. No issues. We went and played 9 holes of golf this afternoon afterwards and not even a sore arm. Throwing this out in case anyone is interested.
Report back in 10 years.
What untoward side effects of the vaccine do you expect in ten years? Be specific.
I was very specific in my first response to this question.
You don't know if there are long term effects. People are rightly pointing out that it makes no sense to vaccinate healthy kids for COVID with a new vaccine.pocketrockets06 said:
While unfortunate, your friends child's seizures are an immediate effect of the vaccine, not what people are typically asking about when they say long-term. We know some of these immediate effects are possible as vaccine side effects in general. We haven't really seen them with the COVID vaccines with the exception of the myocarditis in teen and 20's boys. And with the mRNA platform, there is plausible reason to suspect that there are fewer side effects than with a typical vaccine. Which is what we have observed.
It always cracks me up when people claim these vaccines have no side effects and then list them. Of course they do. Just own the fact that you're taking a chance on this vaccine in your healthy child. We all do it in other ways. It just doesn't make sense to most people for this virus.
Not to mention that cells are so complicated that science is still studying them. How do you make a confident risk calculation when you cannot factor in the unknown?
Edit to add that I get the same line of thinking applies to getting the virus itself.
Edit to add that I get the same line of thinking applies to getting the virus itself.
Every action and inaction is a risk. I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware that the known risks of COVID are, while small for "healthy"* children, still greater than the known vaccine risks. We also have an extensive history with other vaccines and from that we know that the risks with vaccination almost exclusively manifest in the short term. Based on the hundreds of millions of shots given and the data from the trials done so far, we can make a reasonable inference that the unknown risks for the vaccine are very small and will appear almost immediately. We cannot make a similar inference about the unknown risks of a viral infection since our medical history is littered with viruses that cause problems years after an initial "mild" infection.
Based on that I am entirely comfortable taking a risk with vaccinating my "healthy" 8 year old because there is no credible data to support that the virus is less risky than the vaccine. Choosing to let your child get infected, or practice alternate treatments, or keep masking, is also taking a risk. The data available to date supports the route I chose as being the least risk.
*Healthy is a very loaded term. Half of all kids already have one or more risk factors like obesity, asthma, diabetes, etc. Even when we discuss adults - I'm superficially healthy with great pulse, BP, BMI numbers. I also have glaucoma and reflux. Am I healthy still? Or unhealthy?
Based on that I am entirely comfortable taking a risk with vaccinating my "healthy" 8 year old because there is no credible data to support that the virus is less risky than the vaccine. Choosing to let your child get infected, or practice alternate treatments, or keep masking, is also taking a risk. The data available to date supports the route I chose as being the least risk.
*Healthy is a very loaded term. Half of all kids already have one or more risk factors like obesity, asthma, diabetes, etc. Even when we discuss adults - I'm superficially healthy with great pulse, BP, BMI numbers. I also have glaucoma and reflux. Am I healthy still? Or unhealthy?
pocketrockets06 said:
*Healthy is a very loaded term. Half of all kids already have one or more risk factors like obesity, asthma, diabetes, etc. Even when we discuss adults - I'm superficially healthy with great pulse, BP, BMI numbers. I also have glaucoma and reflux. Am I healthy still? Or unhealthy?
How is healthy a loaded term? Obviously obese kids are extremely unhealthy, and adult onset diabetes is why we have so many deaths from covid.
If you can't understand why an obese diabetic with high blood pressure is more at risk from covid than you with glaucoma, there may be no hope friend.
" We also have an extensive history with other vaccines and from that we know that the risks with vaccination almost exclusively manifest in the short term."
I have heard that the short-term period you mention is usually two months. Although is that timeframe better applied to a Novavax style vaccine rather than the mRNA?
I have heard that the short-term period you mention is usually two months. Although is that timeframe better applied to a Novavax style vaccine rather than the mRNA?
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
I am completely vaccinated against all known threats first world and third world. So are my children.
I lived in Africa for years.
This vaccine is experimental without know results.
Take that anti-vaxxer nonsense out of here.
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The usage of this term and lack of logic behind is really mind-boggling. Lumping people who conscientiously object to one specific product rollout as 'anti-the entire general category' is the iq equivalent of someone saying all vaccines are deadly and have microchips.
The usage of this term and lack of logic behind is really mind-boggling. Lumping people who conscientiously object to one specific product rollout as 'anti-the entire general category' is the iq equivalent of someone saying all vaccines are deadly and have microchips.
fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
How is not rushing to vaccinate your healthy 5 year old for a disease you won't even know they have now considered anti-vax? Especially considering our pediatrician and multiple doctors on this board echoing that it's not necessary.
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fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
You're making a lot of assumptions.
Nothing wrong with being somewhat of a contrarian, cynical, or hesitant in the short term. I doubt that three years ago you'd be calling your previously vaccinated peers as anti vaxxers either.
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its mind-boggling. ESP for a vaccine that has basically no significant adverse effects.fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
The use of the term anti-vaxxer was wrong, and I apologize for its usage. If I offended you, I am sorry for that as well.DFWTLR said:fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
How is not rushing to vaccinate your healthy 5 year old for a disease you won't even know they have now considered anti-vax? Especially considering our pediatrician and multiple doctors on this board echoing that it's not necessary.
You're insane.
My comment wasn't necessarily geared towards parents not wanting to get their children vaccinated. I haven't exactly rushed to the clinic to get my children vaxxed. I can completely understand that it's literally your child, and you want to make the best and most informed decision possible. Know that we are on the same page there.
My frustration is more geared towards the misinformation and the mentality it generates. People make decisions, sometimes hastily, sometimes biased, and sometimes with an ulterior motive that get spread, and eventually it's difficult to tell what's true and what's not. I am also willing to accept that even if all of the information is available to someone, that they still may make a decision to not get vaccinated. But that's not what I'm talking about.
pocketrockets06 said:
We're 24+ hours in and still no side effects. Now going swimming and horseback riding.
Look at me! I have a nag and a watering trough!
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fav13andac1)c said:The use of the term anti-vaxxer was wrong, and I apologize for its usage. If I offended you, I am sorry for that as well.DFWTLR said:fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
How is not rushing to vaccinate your healthy 5 year old for a disease you won't even know they have now considered anti-vax? Especially considering our pediatrician and multiple doctors on this board echoing that it's not necessary.
You're insane.
My comment wasn't necessarily geared towards parents not wanting to get their children vaccinated. I haven't exactly rushed to the clinic to get my children vaxxed. I can completely understand that it's literally your child, and you want to make the best and most informed decision possible. Know that we are on the same page there.
My frustration is more geared towards the misinformation and the mentality it generates. People make decisions, sometimes hastily, sometimes biased, and sometimes with an ulterior motive that get spread, and eventually it's difficult to tell what's true and what's not.
A. You didn't offend me at all
B. This entire thread is about kids vaccines, 5-11.
I siderailed the thread. Oops. Let's leave it at that. Moving on.
gunan01 said:its mind-boggling. ESP for a vaccine that has basically no significant adverse effects.fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
Basically no significant adverse effects? The disease has zero for healthy children.
The vaccine had a tiny sample size for kids, I wouldn't hang the mission accomplished banned yet.
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No you did not answer anything. I asked for specific mechanisms of how the vaccine would cause those diseases, and you did not provide them.
You're like all the other anti-vaxxers. No science to back up any of your claims.
You're like all the other anti-vaxxers. No science to back up any of your claims.
fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
You calling Kiddoc a quack? He's on this board and not recommending healthy kids get it.
Is Kiddoc an anti-vaxxer now? I hope you realize what an ignorantly broad brush you are using with that label and how it undermines every point you attempt to make
DFWTLR said:gunan01 said:its mind-boggling. ESP for a vaccine that has basically no significant adverse effects.fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
Basically no significant adverse effects? The disease has zero for healthy children.
The vaccine had a tiny sample size for kids, I wouldn't hang the mission accomplished banned yet.
Several hundred children have died of COVID-19, and who knows how many have had MIS-C or other COVID-19 complications.
To say kids have zero adverse effects from wild type virus is disingenuous at best. Then again that's the modus oparandi of anti-vaxxers.
gunan01 said:its mind-boggling. ESP for a vaccine that has basically no significant adverse effects.fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
There is nothing more lazy and frustrating to me than this statement. You know what else has no significant adverse effects to kids? COVID. My main issue with the narrative is how it's trained the world to pretty much stop talking about our immune systems. Use the magic potion and we can all go about our business, they say.
Meanwhile the entire world has forgotten how important it is to expose ourselves to things. A world with widespread natural vitamin d and physical activity deficiencies is FAR more dangerous than Covid.
PS: I'm vaccinated
gunan01 said:DFWTLR said:gunan01 said:its mind-boggling. ESP for a vaccine that has basically no significant adverse effects.fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
Basically no significant adverse effects? The disease has zero for healthy children.
The vaccine had a tiny sample size for kids, I wouldn't hang the mission accomplished banned yet.
Several hundred children have died of COVID-19, and who knows how many have had MIS-C or other COVID-19 complications.
To say kids have zero adverse effects from wild type virus is disingenuous at best. Then again that's the modus oparandi of anti-vaxxers.
Apparently you can't read, I said healthy kids. They have no need for this vaccine.
And several hundred kids 5-11 have not died from covid, but then again it's modus operandi for people like you to lie to try and prove a point.
gunan01 said:
Lol I wish staff would take the anti-vaxxer trash out. You should go back to Forum 16.
Trash? That's not very nice, I'd assume a ban is coming.
No need to rush to get a healthy 5 year old vaccinated, pediatrician and multiple other doctors (on this board) agree.
Both my boys have had the delta, 8 weeks ago. They are thriving - immune system intact. Superior immune protection.
CDC data.
What are the long term effects of jabbing children? Anything other than "we don't know" is a complete lie.
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712,653 deaths, 276 are kids under 11. More than half of those kids also had influenza...
645 kids under 15 drown last year
370 school aged kids died with COVID19 in 20 months.
30 States have no kids that died, at all. Zero.. pic.twitter.com/bsbSp4eQkb
CDC data.
What are the long term effects of jabbing children? Anything other than "we don't know" is a complete lie.
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gunan01 said:DFWTLR said:gunan01 said:its mind-boggling. ESP for a vaccine that has basically no significant adverse effects.fav13andac1)c said:
Did not realize this board had been overrun with anti-vaxxers who have zero clue what they are talking about. If the DOCTORS, you know who went to school for this for years endorse the vaccine (which has been in development for decades, not months) then I am fine taking it.
Vaccine hesitancy or even vaccine hostility is absolutely mind-boggling. It's a hoard mentality based on FEAR and politics. It's disgusting.
Basically no significant adverse effects? The disease has zero for healthy children.
The vaccine had a tiny sample size for kids, I wouldn't hang the mission accomplished banned yet.
Several hundred children have died of COVID-19, and who knows how many have had MIS-C or other COVID-19 complications.
To say kids have zero adverse effects from wild type virus is disingenuous at best. Then again that's the modus oparandi of anti-vaxxers.
You're moved by your political affiliation rather than logic. I know this because you label dissent against child vaccination as an "anti-vax" position.
You're dangerous because you don't think multiple things can be true at the same time. For example, I'm vaccinated and I think you're clinically insane to think my healthy 13 and 14 year old boys need to be vaccinated given everything we know (and don't know).
gunan01 said:
No you did not answer anything. I asked for specific mechanisms of how the vaccine would cause those diseases, and you did not provide them.
You're like all the other anti-vaxxers. No science to back up any of your claims.
Go re-read your question. You did not ask me for the specific mechanism of action. Geesh. You're awfully angry.
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