I'm not sure why you think I'm not receptive to data. I am receptive to data. I am not receptive to discussion of politics and mandates that led to a medical decision. I think that was clear from the beginning and if it became unclear in one of my responses, then I apologize for miscommunication and I my intention is for this post to clear up that misconception.
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I mean, that's kinda the leading factor is all of this....cc_ag92 said:
I am not receptive to discussion of politics and mandates that led to a medical decision.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Not everyone believes and that's all I'm going to say about it. If I wanted to discuss politics with people here, I think there's a TexAgs board for that.
cc_ag92: What makes someone choose this?
Poster: Could it be the influence of politics?
cc_ag92:
Poster: Could it be the influence of politics?
cc_ag92:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
cc_ag92: "My question... if you are vaccine hesitant and haven't had Covid, is there any scientific information that might change your mind?"
Old Buffalo: I don't care about your actual question. I'll answer the question I want to answer because it hasn't been said a million plus times on this board. Why on earth would you try to start a different conversation? It must be because you're close-minded. It certainly can't be that I have a one-track mind.
Old Buffalo: I don't care about your actual question. I'll answer the question I want to answer because it hasn't been said a million plus times on this board. Why on earth would you try to start a different conversation? It must be because you're close-minded. It certainly can't be that I have a one-track mind.
Covid is no longer a scientific discussion. It never will be again.
GMOs are the safest avenue for increased crop yields we have. The science is decades beyond these vaccines in understanding their long term impacts. Yet countries around the world outlaw them every year.
Because once you release it into the public domain it is always political.
GMOs are the safest avenue for increased crop yields we have. The science is decades beyond these vaccines in understanding their long term impacts. Yet countries around the world outlaw them every year.
Because once you release it into the public domain it is always political.
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Bro, look in the mirror....
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
"Old Buffalo
In reply to Salute The Marines 4:36p, 9/18/21
AG
It must suck being a Coronabro. A virus that lives rent free in your head "
Sure I'll look in the mirror, but for some it is much worse to look in the mirror. Based on one of your popular posts. And yet here you are.
In reply to Salute The Marines 4:36p, 9/18/21
AG
Quote:
Salute The Marines said:
Some people were willing to even get covid and die to avoid it. Hard to top that one.
It must suck being a Coronabro. A virus that lives rent free in your head "
Sure I'll look in the mirror, but for some it is much worse to look in the mirror. Based on one of your popular posts. And yet here you are.
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Why is it that only the posters who regularly post on the political board post here to derail other threads? Not everything is political.
Not everything is political but the push by government entities to require vaccination of every man woman and child in the country over a virus with such a low fatality rate certainly is.
Follow. The. Money. It stopped being about health after the at-risk people had their shots and they kept pushing it.
" 'People that read with pictures think that it's simply about a mask' - Dana Loesch" - Ban Cow Gas
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Dr. Ron Paul
Big Tech IS the empire of lies
TEXIT
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Dr. Ron Paul
Big Tech IS the empire of lies
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Dude, follow this thread. It was looking for scientific data that might help convince someone that the OP cared about and died of COVID. Stop being an @#2.
The OP was way too polite to those that injected politics in this thread.
The OP was way too polite to those that injected politics in this thread.
WesMaroon&White said:
Dude, follow this thread. It was looking for scientific data that might help convince someone that the OP cared about and died of COVID. Stop being an @#2.
The OP was way too polite to those that injected politics in this thread.
I've said numerous times on this board that the reason at-risk folks aren't getting vaccinated, like those mentioned in the OP, is political. They should have gotten it.
You're kidding yourself when you say the whole "this isn't political" thing. It is. Should it not be? No of course it shouldn't, and if it weren't we would have avoided a lot of death.
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waitwhat? said:WesMaroon&White said:
Dude, follow this thread. It was looking for scientific data that might help convince someone that the OP cared about and died of COVID. Stop being an @#2.
The OP was way too polite to those that injected politics in this thread.
I've said numerous times on this board that the reason at-risk folks aren't getting vaccinated, like those mentioned in the OP, is political. They should have gotten it.
You're kidding yourself when you say the whole "this isn't political" thing. It is. Should it not be? No of course it shouldn't, and if it weren't we would have avoided a lot of death.
Agreed. And the reason people that don't need the vaccine are having it mandated to them is also political. People have dug their heels in. A person's stance on the vaccine issue is becoming part of personal identity.
Rule Number 32 said:
I'm a pretty healthy (probably 20 lbs overweight but otherwise healthy non-smoker). I was pretty hesitant to get the vaccine for a few reasons. 1. How hard the govt was pushing for it while ignoring a lot of the possible side effects and still pushing masks when it was obvious that was more about control than anything else and 2. Worried about possible side effects if we had another kid.
Most of y'all have probably seen my story but if you haven't check out the last 5 pages of the "just tested positive" thread. I got covid a month ago, was nothing for a few days until I got pneumonia along with it. Suddenly in the hospital and just barely missed going on a ventilator. I was VERY close to dying. Spent 7 days in the hospital then 7 at home, then another 5 in the hospital due to a secondary infection and air that leaked out of my lungs due to the amount of oxygen I was on. It was putting pressure on my lungs and heart and making it hard to breathe.
If you do test positive and haven't been vaccinated, do not take steroids unless you are on oxygen. Doctors in the hospital were not happy that the urgent care doctor gave me steroids prior to me going to the hospital and think that may have played a part in why I went south so quickly. I would also definitely get the monoclonal infusion asap if you can.
I'll put it this way - not getting the vaccine has been one of my biggest regrets. I'm on the mend, but I don't know if this has permanently damaged my lungs yet or not. I hope not but only time will tell. I will be getting vaccinated as soon as I can which is in a few months. My wife, parents, in laws, all got it and luckily they all avoided the hospital. I'm not going to chance it going forward, as the last month has been a living hell.
I advise all of y'all, 30+ to put aside what you think you know, and not take the chance. I thought it was going to be nothing. Turns out I was wrong, and this disease has devastated my family mentally, physically, and financially, because of it. I wouldn't wish the last month of my life on anyone. And I got lucky. There were a lot of times over the last month that I didn't think I was going to get to see my wife again, or my daughters. I wasn't sure I was making it out of the hospital.
In conclusion, the risk isn't worth it... Trust me.
Ok
Over 55 and 20 lbs overweight with type 2 diabetes not to mention seven surgeries since 2015 from a brain tumor.Contracted COVID last April and prescribed Zpack with steroids. Used horse Ivermectin immediately and five days later hiked a mile into the Grand Canyon and out. All of this out of state in a camper and not vaccinated. Blood test two weeks ago showed lots of antibodies. Ohh and was the ass that you saw never wearing a mask the last year and a half! In conclusion I am sincerely happy you survived. I just don't trust the medical establishment much less our government.
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fightingfarmer09 11:55a, 9/12/21
"How doctors behaved after the first 3-4 months of this ordeal have completely eroded any faith I had in them other than performing standard "mechanic" type jobs.
They all let their egos grow to a scary size."
- and yet you are here on this thread to add what?
"How doctors behaved after the first 3-4 months of this ordeal have completely eroded any faith I had in them other than performing standard "mechanic" type jobs.
They all let their egos grow to a scary size."
- and yet you are here on this thread to add what?
Sanity.
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To answer the OP's question:
I spend a lot of time exercising, eating right and have zero health issues. Finished my second Ironman a couple months ago. Age group 25-34. As an act of pure risk assessment, I do not feel I need a vaccine against COVID-19. My opinion would change if I was in the group mentioned by OP. This is not a political stance.
Was very excited about the vaccine introduction as I thought it would bring a nice end to this whole thing.
- People who were at high risk would be able to get it
- People scared of their shadow could get it
- People not worried about COVID could choose
And we could all move on with the obviously endemic virus just a part of life.
Instead, it has morphed into a political nightmare affecting people's livelihoods and splitting people apart. Now you've completely lost people that were on the fence.
I spend a lot of time exercising, eating right and have zero health issues. Finished my second Ironman a couple months ago. Age group 25-34. As an act of pure risk assessment, I do not feel I need a vaccine against COVID-19. My opinion would change if I was in the group mentioned by OP. This is not a political stance.
Was very excited about the vaccine introduction as I thought it would bring a nice end to this whole thing.
- People who were at high risk would be able to get it
- People scared of their shadow could get it
- People not worried about COVID could choose
And we could all move on with the obviously endemic virus just a part of life.
Instead, it has morphed into a political nightmare affecting people's livelihoods and splitting people apart. Now you've completely lost people that were on the fence.
Ivermectin, sunshine, and daily short walks during infection is what I credit with my very rapid recovery.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
A friend lost her husband this week. Mid 40s, athletic, active, and healthy. They had had COVID before, and never made it a priority to get the shot so never got around to getting it. They weren't anti-vaccine. Luckily, she has a really strong family, but he left my friend a mid-40s widow with a middle school and high school daughter.
Guitarsoup said:
A friend lost her husband this week. Mid 40s, athletic, active, and healthy. They had had COVID before, and never made it a priority to get the shot so never got around to getting it. They weren't anti-vaccine. Luckily, she has a really strong family, but he left my friend a mid-40s widow with a middle school and high school daughter.
This story doesn't add up.
What specifically doesn't add up? He contracted it in August, spent about a month on a vent in ICU, then his kidneys started showing decreased function and finally went into cardiac arrest. They were able to revive him after coding, but too much damage had been done and he passed away a few days later.Old Buffalo said:Guitarsoup said:
A friend lost her husband this week. Mid 40s, athletic, active, and healthy. They had had COVID before, and never made it a priority to get the shot so never got around to getting it. They weren't anti-vaccine. Luckily, she has a really strong family, but he left my friend a mid-40s widow with a middle school and high school daughter.
This story doesn't add up.
I've known his wife for 25 years.
Statistically:
1) Only 6% of all Covid deaths are below age 49
2) Reinfection is rare. Very rare.
3) No claimed co-morbidities (known, outward) make a death even lower probability
Anecdotally:
1) You fail to personally connect to the individual, just their wife. A friend of 25 years means their spouse is likely a friend, too.
2) You give broad overview of the person and subtly hint towards their vaccination status (creating a target of this board)
3) You further create division by adding emotional facts such as his children being left fatherless (again subtly due to his vaccination status)
1) Only 6% of all Covid deaths are below age 49
2) Reinfection is rare. Very rare.
3) No claimed co-morbidities (known, outward) make a death even lower probability
Anecdotally:
1) You fail to personally connect to the individual, just their wife. A friend of 25 years means their spouse is likely a friend, too.
2) You give broad overview of the person and subtly hint towards their vaccination status (creating a target of this board)
3) You further create division by adding emotional facts such as his children being left fatherless (again subtly due to his vaccination status)
This otherwise healthy guy dying from covid on his second go around makes him an anomaly. Very rare. He's one of a handful in the whole country.
I think all those reasons are why they didn't make any effort to get the vaccine. Luckily reinfections are uncommon, just like breakthrough infections. And most tend to be not serious, especially among the under 50 crowd.Quote:
Statistically:
1) Only 6% of all Covid deaths are below age 49
2) Reinfection is rare. Very rare.
3) No claimed co-morbidities (known, outward) make a death even lower probability
I don't think we have a full understanding of reinfection rates, or even antibody rate variances among the population.
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/10/07/covid-19-reinfection-is-likely-among-unvaccinated-individuals-yale-study-finds/
On this board, a poster that had COVID says he is testing negative. I doubt he is the only one. I agree that a healthy body's immune system is a great way to fight it off, but not everyone has the same reaction or immune response, just like not everyone with the vaccine will fight it off or have the correct immune response.
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3239359
Anecdotally:
We weren't close friends. She and I went to high school together and I played sports with her brother. We have kept up through the years as I have mentored her in her career. I only knew her husband through what she said of him. We have always lived in different cities since high school.Quote:
1) You fail to personally connect to the individual, just their wife. A friend of 25 years means their spouse is likely a friend, too.
I can only share what I know. My heart breaks for her and her daughters. If it would help, I could share more about his story. I'm not sure what other information is useful, though. He had a mild case last year. He tested positive and was hospitalized within a few days in late August. His symptoms came on strong and quick. He was in the hospital about a week or a little less before he was sedated and placed on the vent.Quote:
2) You give broad overview of the person and subtly hint towards their vaccination status (creating a target of this board)
Any of those details help at all?
The data we have seems to show that natural antibodies and vaccination together is the strongest immune response you can have against the disease. Because I have a personal connection with his wife, I care about her well being as well as that of her daughters. He's dead, there is nothing else that can be done for him.Quote:
3) You further create division by adding emotional facts such as his children being left fatherless (again subtly due to his vaccination status)
My non-expert opinion would be that someone that had a mild case may not have ever created as many antibodies as someone that had a more severe case.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353887893_Reduced_Risk_of_Reinfection_with_SARS-CoV-2_After_COVID-19_Vaccination_-_Kentucky_May-June_2021
The data we currently have shows that a reinfection is more likely with someone that has not had the vaccine than someone that has had the vaccine. So I tend to believe that the chances are better for him to have not gotten it or had an weaker case of it had he been vaccinated in addition to what natural immunity he had.
Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing. Praying for this family
Guitarsoup said:What specifically doesn't add up? He contracted it in August, spent about a month on a vent in ICU, then his kidneys started showing decreased function and finally went into cardiac arrest. They were able to revive him after coding, but too much damage had been done and he passed away a few days later.Old Buffalo said:Guitarsoup said:
A friend lost her husband this week. Mid 40s, athletic, active, and healthy. They had had COVID before, and never made it a priority to get the shot so never got around to getting it. They weren't anti-vaccine. Luckily, she has a really strong family, but he left my friend a mid-40s widow with a middle school and high school daughter.
This story doesn't add up.
I've known his wife for 25 years.
Avoid Remdesivir at all costs, according to my personal physician. According to him, this is the drug that is the main culprit for putting people on vents.
It's very hard on the kidneys, causing a back up of fluid in the body, particularly the lungs. Pneumonia then sets in significantly, and then onto the vent.
In his medical opinion, it is likely killing people.
I am sorry for your loss.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
I hadn't heard that. I know he had pneumonia when admitted, it seemed to clear, but it came back while sedated on a vent after a couple weeks.Pinche Abogado said:Guitarsoup said:What specifically doesn't add up? He contracted it in August, spent about a month on a vent in ICU, then his kidneys started showing decreased function and finally went into cardiac arrest. They were able to revive him after coding, but too much damage had been done and he passed away a few days later.Old Buffalo said:Guitarsoup said:
A friend lost her husband this week. Mid 40s, athletic, active, and healthy. They had had COVID before, and never made it a priority to get the shot so never got around to getting it. They weren't anti-vaccine. Luckily, she has a really strong family, but he left my friend a mid-40s widow with a middle school and high school daughter.
This story doesn't add up.
I've known his wife for 25 years.
Avoid Remdesivir at all costs, according to my personal physician. According to him, this is the drug that is the main culprit for putting people on vents.
It's very hard on the kidneys, causing a back up of fluid in the body, particularly the lungs. Pneumonia then sets in significantly, and then onto the vent.
In his medical opinion, it is likely killing people.
I am sorry for your loss.
I hadn't either until this month when I contracted it. He was adamant that it is a dangerous drug to prescribe, particularly in Covid patients with decreased kidney functions or have developed pre-pneumonia symptoms.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
In this case, they had it in mid August, it was mild for everyone (all four people got it) and all symptoms went away. They returned to normal life after no symptoms for a couple days.
Sept 2nd, he suddenly was doing bad again and was rushed to the hospital with pulse ox of 67.
Sept 14th, stopped responding to the oxygen and was sedated and put on a vent.
Oct 12th - passed away.
I don't know if he took remdesivir or not.
Sept 2nd, he suddenly was doing bad again and was rushed to the hospital with pulse ox of 67.
Sept 14th, stopped responding to the oxygen and was sedated and put on a vent.
Oct 12th - passed away.
I don't know if he took remdesivir or not.
The person Guitar is referring to was one of my closest friends and not all of his facts are correct. For sake of ending the argument, it was his first go round with Covid and he never got over it. His wife and daughters got over it, he never did. No, they weren't vaccinated. I'm leaving it at that and would ask that you do too.
mts6175 said:
The person Guitar is referring to was one of my closest friends and not all of his facts are correct. For sake of ending the argument, it was his first go round with Covid and he never got over it. His wife and daughters got over it, he never did. No, they weren't vaccinated. I'm leaving it at that and would ask that you do too.
I'm very sorry. Words must not be able to describe the pain his family and close friends are going through.
Pinche Abogado said:
Ivermectin, sunshine, and daily short walks during infection is what I credit with my very rapid recovery.
Great to hear and this seems to be the way to beat it. Remdesevir, a new, expensive drug that doesn't work, was pushed by Fauci and friends while they demonized HCQ and Ivermectin.
People are dying for no good reason, but for greed and power. So sad.
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