Show me.

Kinda strange that our leaders would be anti-vaxxers


https://www.yahoo.com/news/gavin-newsoms-daughter-not-vaccinated-153600575.html

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.html

62558 18-49 year olds have been hospitalized from 2020-21.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254271/us-total-number-of-covid-cases-by-age-group/

~18 million 18-49 total cases as of October '21

Cases numbers likely higher if you factor in asymptotic.

ChemAg15 said:

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So can we agree that the hospitalization rate for a healthy 30 something is not 3%?

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Not sure if this is 2.5 per 100,000 cases or people.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210816/covid-hospitalizations-for-30-to-39-hit-record-high

Honestly it shouldn't be this hard to find data on hospitalization risk for an unvaxxed 30 something. A simple Google search should be all it takes. We shouldn't have to work from data sets that cover ages 18 to 49

I'm not angry either. I'm far from angry at my friends. Truly I'm just sad.

I guess your answer is that there is no science that would convince him. He has asthma and age against him, but still doesn't think he should get it.

Do you think he'll get the antibody treatment if he tests positive? None of my hospitalized people would take them.

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

Details?
Doctor and treatment?

I'm in Dallas so would like to know.

Agree. The lack of data is astounding.

Simple spreadsheet should be able to handle everything we all need to handle. For each person hospitalized: Age, sex, BMI, list of all comorbidities, death (y or n).

For all positive cases the data should be pretty similar too without much effort.

cc_ag92 said:

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I've read it here and on Facebook each time he posts. His office is just up the road from me, so I was familiar with him as a doctor before most of TexAgs. While I don't see him, I know many people who do and I've valued his insight from the very beginning.
He currently recommends vaccinations in addition to the supplements (which we've taken from the beginning).

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NOT MEDICAL ADVICE. JUST MY EXPERIENCES DURING COVID.

Initially, I thought highly of covid vaccines but have since lost faith due to data regarding effectiveness as well as the evidence coming out that natural immunity is better.

I worked the entire pre-vaccine time (EMS) period without testing positive for Covid despite transporting dozens of symptomatic patients. I got the J&J vaccine at the urging of agency medical director but will not be getting any other covid vaccines in the future.

ChemAg15 said:

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And to bring the discussion back to the OP, this is why so many are hesitant to get the vaccine. The CDC has lost all credibility. Why should anyone believe them when they say the vaccine is safe, effective, and necessary? People that need the vaccine are opting out and it's the CDC's fault.

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Be careful though. Some on here say only medical doctors can analyze the data. If most doctors are vaccinated then that's the only possible right answer.

https://ncov2019.live/calculator

This is a good one for survival rate

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More cases that are not hospitalized lowers that chance even more.

ChemAg15 said:

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Is the lack of data astounding or is it intentional?

The CDC has this data. They aren't going to advertise anything that doesn't jive with their "everyone must vaccinate" campaign.

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Jiminy Cricket they publish this weekly.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html

That actually wasn't what I asked. I know the political reasons.

I'm curious about what data/science it would take to change someone's mind.

texan12 said:

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https://ncov2019.live/calculator

This is a good one for survival rate

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This says my chances of dying at 0.45%, but we know the iFR is 0.3% skewed right.

Bunk website.

It's not bunk. At that low of a % we're just splitting hairs.

cc_ag92 said:

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That actually wasn't what I asked. I know the political reasons.

I'm curious about what data/science it would take to change someone's mind.

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Long term studies of vaccinated vs unvaccinated would be a start. I'd also like to see oncologic studies.

So much bull**** flying around it is dizzying!

Thanks for answering!

Have fun.

Props to OP for segregating unvaccinated with prior infection, and those unvaccinated without antibodies.

Half the country has already had covid. So prob half the people refusing to get vax have natural immunity and almost zero risk of severe illness. Olds and at risk who don't have natural antibody protection should seriously consider their loved ones when refusing.

I also think there are a fair bit of old widows and widowers who don't really care about dying or probably welcome it.

If you're implying that I'm obsessed, then you misread my intention. It sounds like your answer to my question is that there is no scientific evidence or data that would change your mind. Thanks for your input.

I actually understand that decision. I'm not positive it's the one I would have made, but I can understand why others have chosen it. Thanks for your response.