EUA for 5-11 is complete nonsense

planoaggie123 said:

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gunan01 said:

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Or pass it on to an adult?

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Get vaccinated as an adult if you are worried.

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EOT

Data is a beautiful thing. That myocarditis data is through August. Between the ages of 12-17 there were 474 cases of myocarditis. There were 10.67 MILLION kids ages 12-17 vaccinated through 7/31. 474/10.67 million = 0.0000442 or 0.004%.

So the risk of myopericarditis with the COVID-19 vaccine in the 12-17 age group is 0.004%. It's a nothingburger.

Additionally as I mentioned before earlier in the thread the incidence of myocarditis from COVID-19 in age <16yo is 0.133%.

So you have about a 33x higher chance of having myocarditis from wild type COVID-19 infection for those age <16yo than from the COVID-19 vaccine.

Ultimately risk of myocarditis is low regardless, though.

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gunan01 said:

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How do you feel about vaccines for varicella, influenza, Prevnar, MMR? The chance of "dying" for a 5yo from any of those diseases is also "miniscule".

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This analogy is stupid. Influenza is MUCH more dangeroud to 5 year olds than covid. I know little about the other diseases, but if 5 year olds have a 99.999% chance of survival without taking an unproven (long-term) brand new vaccine, I'd say they definitely don't need that vaccine.

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Did you just make this up re: influenza? I have a hard time believing that influenza is MUCH more dangerous to a 5yo than COVID-19. Any data to back up your assertion?

This last week has solidified my resolve. My kids will not be getting this leaky vaccine. They can get Covid and get over it like 99.999% of all kids before them. If they haven't already.

Again, if that's your attitude you shouldn't let your kids get any of the other early childhood vaccines, either.

gunan01 said:

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Again, if that's your attitude you shouldn't let your kids get any of the other early childhood vaccines, either.

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Apples and oranges.

cc_ag92 said:

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Interesting article from KHOU- It's dated August 15, 2021, so obviously some of the data is outdated already.

Three years' worth of data proves the same point. The CDC reported that there have been a total of 325 deaths in children under 18 related to the flu since the 2018-2019 season.

There were 136 pediatric flu deaths reported during the 2018-2019 season, 188 pediatric deaths reported in the 2019-2020 season and one death during the 2020-2021 season.
For COVID-19, 349 kids have died in the last 18 months, which is when the pandemic began.

Interactive Fluview Site- This is also a good place to look for data.

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So about the same.

gunan01 said:

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Again, if that's your attitude you shouldn't let your kids get any of the other early childhood vaccines, either.

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Did I hook up with your wife or something?

YouBet said:

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gunan01 said:

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Again, if that's your attitude you shouldn't let your kids get any of the other early childhood vaccines, either.

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Apples and oranges.

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Would like to hear your reasoning as to why its apples and oranges.

If your reasoning is that 99.999% of kids who get COVID-19 don't die so a vaccine is unnecessary, why couldn't you say the same thing about a majority of the other diseases prevented/reduced by early childhood vaccines? The risk of dying of influenza, measles, mumps, rubella, pneumococcus is the same as COVID-19 in the young pediatric age group.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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gunan01 said:

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Again, if that's your attitude you shouldn't let your kids get any of the other early childhood vaccines, either.

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Did I hook up with your wife or something?

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No, he just doesn't know how to follow science and for some reason thinks that the measles is no big deal.

cc_ag92 said:

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Interesting article from KHOU- It's dated August 15, 2021, so obviously some of the data is outdated already.

Three years' worth of data proves the same point. The CDC reported that there have been a total of 325 deaths in children under 18 related to the flu since the 2018-2019 season.

There were 136 pediatric flu deaths reported during the 2018-2019 season, 188 pediatric deaths reported in the 2019-2020 season and one death during the 2020-2021 season.
For COVID-19, 349 kids have died in the last 18 months, which is when the pandemic began.

Interactive Fluview Site- This is also a good place to look for data.

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This is great, thanks for posting.

At least it clears up the false notion that influenza is deadlier for the pediatric population than COVID-19.

planoaggie123 said:

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Gov Newsom is an anti-vaxxer. Discuss.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gavin-newsoms-daughter-not-vaccinated-153600575.html

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Newsome is the worst human. Forcing mandates on children, but yet not wanting to vaccinate his own child.

Evil.

Gunan is the most effective anti-vaxxer I've ever seen.

His posts alone have completely solidified my position of avoiding the vaccine for my kids.

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Gov. Gavin Newsom admitted that his own daughter, who just turned 12, is not vaccinated against COVID-19 despite California's sweeping mandate requiring students to get the shot.

His daughter has not gotten vaccinated because she has "a series of other shots to get first," the Los Angeles Times reported Newsom saying.

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What an absolute piece of dog **** this man is. He's incredibly lucky to be the governor in the 2020s and not the 1820s.

I will say this again. I cofounded an mRNA company 5 years ago. I am vaxxed with Moderna. My kids have been vaccinated with all the 'required' vaccines. They are both under 11 and perfectly healthy, and I am not ready to give them a covid vaccine yet. If my kids had a pre-existing condition Id seriously consider it, but as of right now Im hesitant.

And any 'provaxxer' who is shaming anyone for being hesitant about giving their child a covid vaccine is a horrible person in my book.

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I will say this again. I cofounded an mRNA company 5 years ago. I am vaxxed with Moderna. My kids have been vaccinated with all the 'required' vaccines. They are both under 11 and perfectly healthy, and I am not ready to give them a covid vaccine yet. If my kids had a pre-existing condition Id seriously consider it, but as of right now Im hesitant.

And any 'provaxxer' who is shaming anyone for being hesitant about giving their child a covid vaccine is a horrible person in my book.

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Your position of "let's wait and see" isn't allowed unless you are also willing to refuse to get your children any other vaccines. You probably just don't understand what a vaccine is anyways.

Honest question…why safe for you but not kids? What caused you to feel this way during your time with the MRNA company?

I refuse to vaxx my kids as well.

My son will be 5 next month. There is no way in ****ing hell that he is going to be getting this stupid vaccine. He's had all the other vaccines so I'm definitely not anti-max, but this is all political and if anybody tries to jab my kid with this experimental juice, they will lose a hand and probably more.

planoaggie123 said:

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Honest question…why safe for you but not kids? What caused you to feel this way during your time with the MRNA company?

I refuse to vaxx my kids as well.

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Kids are still developing. So much more is going on in their bodies than adults that can effect them for life.

They aren't just smaller versions of adults, especially pre puberty.

This **** really is your religion, isn't it?

planoaggie123 said:

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Honest question…why safe for you but not kids? What caused you to feel this way during your time with the MRNA company?

I refuse to vaxx my kids as well.

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sorry for the late reply. as Brad06 said below, kids are still developing. the mRNA vaccine is not cell-type specific, meaning that it doesn't just target specific cells to produce antibodies against Covid. for example, much of what we do is using mRNA encoded with a specific protein to deliver to a specific group of cells, like vascular endothelial cells or liver cells, etc. in those cases mRNA would be injected directly into the cell line of choice, bind to a ribosome, and make the protein for that targeted cell line. cells have a finite number of ribosomes. in a normal nuclear process, the nucleus of the cell contains most of our DNA. the information from that DNA is copied and then transcribed into mRNA. the mRNA then leaves the nucleus where it enters the cytoplasm and binds to a ribosome, where the protein is made. with mRNA, we bypass this entire process by coding for the protein we intend to make, so the mRNA is injected, goes directly into the cytoplasm, binds to a ribosome and makes a protein.

now for the vaccine. when the the vaccine is injected into the muscle tissue it is not cell-type specific, so it attaches to all types of cells to make the antibodies, so it's non-discriminatory. it's tolerated in some cells and not others. so as i said above, cells have a finite number of ribosomes, and when you inject the vaccine to be delivered to the cells, the spike protein that has been encoded is essentially fighting for dominance against other mRNAs that have been naturally produced by the cells. we call this dominant negative because we are using a foreign protein that adversely affects the normal wild-type gene product within a cell.

so why do i feel it is safer for me and not my children. most of our cells are closer to a mature aging process. we take the mRNA vaccine and our body more naturally knows what to do with a foreign substance. kids have very strong immune systems, but their bodies and cells are still maturing. when we inject the vaccine, we may be disrupting the natural order of nuclear cell programming because the spike protein is fighting against our other mRNAs to make proteins, which could mean that the cells aren't making what their naturally told to make. this may or may not lead to deficiencies, adverse events, etc. with children who have pre-existing conditions, their cells are not working naturally, so they could have problems fighting a virus that is intended to kill off the cells that are working sub optimally.

so until i see more data in children and how different cell lines are responding to the mRNA in terms of the natural process, i'm not ready to give my children the shot.

i hope that helps with your decision. also, i still own and work with the company, i just use founded in past tense since it's been 5 years.