Let's go! 5 and up!

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so i don't really understand how the FDA will square their stance on boosters vs. approval of gen pop under 12 vaccines

they could certainly approve under EUA and recommend to the immunocompromised. that would be completely reasonable.

but EUA approval and blanket recommendation? i don't see how you get there.
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Here is one of the points that keeps bugging me since the data was first discussed a few weeks ago( or how ever long it was)...

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Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech said their research shows the younger kids should get one-third of the dose now given to everyone else. After their second dose, the 5- to 11-year-olds developed virus-fighting antibody levels just as strong as those that teens and young adults get from regular-strength shots.
That is what they are basing the recommendation on. There wasn't enough data in the study to show that it was actually effective because there weren't enough sick kids to compare it to. So they decided to continually discuss the antibody response and ignore any actual need.
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gunan01 said:

Or pass it on to an adult?
Who. Cares.

Then they will get Covid from my kid. Oh well. A parent's only responsibility is to their own kid. Tell them to cover their mouth when they sneeze and don't pick your nose, wash your hands etc. Outside of that, it's not our responsibility to make sure our kids don't get adults sick. **** happens and that is just part of life.

We have got to stop the narrative that we "must" do something many are not ready to do to "protect" rando people. These people that are at risk have options available to them to lesson or even negate their risk factors. Yet they don't. So I am done with the whole "what about your fellow man" narrative. Once enough is known about the vaccines in the future, our kids will most likely get it. Yes, this will become like the flu and with a vaccine available each season most likely. But right now isn't that time. AND if we want more shots in arms, end this "its the right thing to do" "it's for other people" narrative and lecture series. People hate being talked down to or forced to d something it that as much as anything is why people have dug their heals in and not gotten vaccinated. From the start there has been a sense that the ones pushing this so hard (whether its the vaccine, masks, closures etc) were NEVER after our best interests but instead had very different agendas. That is why the hospitals filled with the unvaccinated and the death rate spiked. That is why the door opened to produce a swell in anti-covid vaccine rhetoric.
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he must own shares of Pfizer
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There were plenty of kids with side effects in the CDC study though.

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gunan01 said:

Or pass it on to an adult?


So, just like all the vaccinated adults are already doing?
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Vaccinated adults are passing on the virus at same rates as unvaccinated adults?? Please pass on the link to the study you performed showing this!
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Explain.

Nothing I said was inaccurate.
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Everytime Pfizer and these other big pharma companies get the age brackets lowered they increase their sales by the number of additional vacc's they're able to sell to that population.

They'll be giving them damn things to dolls and puppies if they have their way.
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but...but...but...no profit!!!!
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Brad06ag said:

Here is one of the points that keeps bugging me since the data was first discussed a few weeks ago( or how ever long it was)...

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Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech said their research shows the younger kids should get one-third of the dose now given to everyone else. After their second dose, the 5- to 11-year-olds developed virus-fighting antibody levels just as strong as those that teens and young adults get from regular-strength shots.
That is what they are basing the recommendation on. There wasn't enough data in the study to show that it was actually effective because there weren't enough sick kids to compare it to. So they decided to continually discuss the antibody response and ignore any actual need.
Just a clarification, but i'm pretty sure i've read from other posters on here that are in the medical research field saying that reviewing pediatric effectiveness in this way is not uncommon. whether or not it should be used is one discussion, but it's not some goal post moving unique to covid vaccines.

if anyone knows better please correct me
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Im all for kids getting it that have pre-existing conditions. Im not for it for generally healthy kids, especially because this will be a workaround for the govt to mandate it in schools since a good size of the adult population wont get it. This is going to be very bad for our country.
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Some people can't get vaccinated or are vaccine non-responders. This is why herd immunity as a concept in public health is important.
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Oh how the roles are reversing on this thread.
Thanks, and Gig 'Em!
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gunan01 said:

Some people can't get vaccinated or are vaccine non-responders. This is why herd immunity as a concept in public health is important.

We cannot make public health decisions based on such small percentages.

This cannot be your argument.

Immunocompromised cannot be the basis of all healthcare decisions for the world no matter how tough of a life those people live.
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Pfizer to US government we need this approved so our money train doesn't come to an end!!!!!!
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Ryota Hayami said:




You're actually happy about Pfizer wantung to stick 5 year olds?

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Project veritas could tell me I am ugly and I wouldn't believe them
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gunan01 said:

Some people can't get vaccinated or are vaccine non-responders. This is why herd immunity as a concept in public health is important.
Is that so? Who? I see this said frequently but there's never an explanation of who it is that can't get vaccinated.

The CDC and FDA have approved and recommended the vaccines for everyone, including those with underlying conditions and even those with a history of adverse reactions to vaccines.

WHO can't get vaccinated, and how many people are we talking about?
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Ryota Hayami said:

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

Odd thing to celebrate…

Doesn't mean you have to be upset about it either, but just really strange to get that much glee out of this.




I'm just excited for the health and safety of my kid and his good friend who has health issues and will probably be able to go to school in person now.

So I think for parents who choose to get the vaccination for their kids and especially for parents of kids who are at risk it is something to celebrate.

It will help get our schools back to normal with less restrictions.

This isnt political, it's just about health, safety and getting back to normal!


Lol.
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People who are allergic to components of the vaccine
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gunan01 said:

People who are allergic to components of the vaccine
Per CDC:

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States

Public health policy for millions and millions due to, at most,1,500 people...???
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i'm really curious what the powers that be are going to be with a U12 EUA

i imagine the emotional manipulation will be off the charts
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There are other kinds of allergic reactions besides anaphylaxis. Smh
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cone said:

i'm really curious what the powers that be are going to be with a U12 EUA

i imagine the emotional manipulation will be off the charts
agree with this comment

Hoping they look at the data and data only.
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Well the data disagrees with you…
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gunan01 said:

There are other kinds of allergic reactions besides anaphylaxis. Smh
You mean the non-severe ones that fall outside of the definition of anaphylaxis????


Here is the CDC site.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/allergic-reaction.html?s_cid=11576:covid%2019%20vaccine%20allergic%20reaction:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN.Grants:FY21

Also here is this from CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7004e1.htm

that last one says 10 cases out of 4M....so lets revise my 1,500 down to about 1,00 (being conservative).

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well since the Pfizer study was grossly underpowered to verify safety vs efficacy

that's going to be tough
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gunan01 said:

No reason to be willfully obtuse. "Dying" is only one part of the risk.


What other risks in this age group are documented from having contracted COVID? Tell me the risks…What other virus do we talk about in terms of "other risks" not related to death?

Do you know what the risks are for the vaccine in this age group compared to risks from contracting COVID?
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cone said:

well since the Pfizer study was grossly underpowered to verify safety vs efficacy

that's going to be tough
There were 2268 kids in the Phase 2/3 trial. How many should they have had?
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gunan01 said:

cone said:

well since the Pfizer study was grossly underpowered to verify safety vs efficacy

that's going to be tough
There were 2268 kids in the Phase 2/3 trial. How many should they have had?
Myocarditis in boys has been occurring about 1:5000, so a hell of a lot more than that.
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gunan01 said:

cone said:

well since the Pfizer study was grossly underpowered to verify safety vs efficacy

that's going to be tough
There were 2268 kids in the Phase 2/3 trial. How many should they have had?

They did 43,000 adults ages 18 and up.

Based on proportion of population...they should have done at least 10,000 kids....unless you think kids require less study....i tend to go the opposite direction.....
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The is no emergency in 5-12 year olds. This will do absolutely zero for adults. Why in the world would this get an EUA?
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01agtx said:

The is no emergency in 5-12 year olds. This will do absolutely zero for adults. Why in the world would this get an EUA?
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