UK Study on Brain Damage from Covid.

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I saw on Fox News a released study by Oxford on a sample of 40,000 folks who had Covid. Mild cases vs severe hospitalized. Brain scans done on all and it showed substantial decrease of gray matter in the frontal and another lobe in the brain on both mild and severe cases. Pointing out it was the same no matter how mild the case was.
They used a large control group with people that had never tested positive as comparisons.
They said the particular lobes involved could
result in memory and cognitive loss later in life for all.
Anybody have or read any additional data on this?
My doctor actually told me about similar about three weeks ago.
GeographyAg
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I haven't researched it at all, but almost all the people I know who had more than a mild case have reported some "brain fog" symptoms (unvaccinated).

A good friend of mine is still struggling with that, plus a lingering cough and runny nose, and it's been at least a month since she first got covid (unvaccinated).

I always wondered about brain damage from covid, even with the Alpha cases. Loss of smell and taste indicates some damage to parts of the brain, right? It makes sense that covid is attacking gray matter and there might be long-term ramifications to that.
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Oh well
The Covidian is a strange sort: he both relies on “science” and ignores it. Perhaps because it’s not “science” at all, but rather just the TV.
Another Doug
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Non-peered reviewed research
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v1.full.pdf

I think some people get "brain fog" and it probably warrants further study, but this research seems kinda iffy. Calling it "substantial" and classifying mild and severe cases the "same" just sounds like entertainment news fear mongering.
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Yep it will be interesting to see the peer review.

I doubt it ends up being quite as scary as the Fox News headline.
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Another Doug said:

Non-peered reviewed research
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v1.full.pdf

I think some people get "brain fog" and it probably warrants further study, but this research seems kinda iffy. Calling it "substantial" and classifying mild and severe cases the "same" just sounds like entertainment news fear mongering.


Go get me more peers for my bias!!!
Boo Weekley
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Whether this is true or not...F*** CHINA. F*** F*** F** CHINA.

A f-ing cold virus giving people long term brain damage and memory loss is definitely something they would be evil enough to manufacture. But I still suspect the lab leak was just incompetence.

And vaxxed people are still getting it, correct, or does the vaccine still let you get it, and even have symptoms, but somehow protect your gray matter?

I hope this isn't true, but if it is, not really much we can do.

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Boo Weekley said:

Whether this is true or not...F*** CHINA. F*** F*** F** CHINA.

A f-ing cold virus giving people long term brain damage and memory loss is definitely something they would be evil enough to manufacture. But I still suspect the lab leak was just incompetence.

And vaxxed people are still getting it, correct, or does the vaccine still let you get it, and even have symptoms, but somehow protect your gray matter?

I hope this isn't true, but if it is, not really much we can do.




I'd like to know which part of the virus is responsible. Is it the spike proteins causing damage to epithelial cells or micro-clotting causing small pathway blockage.
Boo Weekley
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Wodanaz said:

Boo Weekley said:

Whether this is true or not...F*** CHINA. F*** F*** F** CHINA.

A f-ing cold virus giving people long term brain damage and memory loss is definitely something they would be evil enough to manufacture. But I still suspect the lab leak was just incompetence.

And vaxxed people are still getting it, correct, or does the vaccine still let you get it, and even have symptoms, but somehow protect your gray matter?

I hope this isn't true, but if it is, not really much we can do.




I'd like to know which part of the virus is responsible. Is it the spike proteins causing damage to epithelial cells or micro-clotting causing small pathway blockage.
Yep. I want to know if vax protects against it. I know quite a few people who had mild to moderate Covid cases fully vaxxed...and a couple that had severe cases...one guy almost died. Will be interesting to see if they are somehow spared the deterioration to the gray matter symptom because they had a vaccine.

Can you imagine if it came out that just getting Covid (even vaxxed) gave you a high chance of brain damage/memory loss later in life? That would be extremely demoralizing for pretty much everyone in the world.

We thought we had seen conspiracy theories before, if this brain damage stuff is true, these are naturally going to run rampant.
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I totally believe it. I've had covid long haul symptoms for 16 months and the brain fog and fatigue is real. I got vaxxed 5 months ago and now I experience dizzy and lightheaded spells daily. My brain feels like it's not working properly most days.

I wouldn't be surprised if my brain is completely damaged from covid and/or the vaccine.
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Is it more or less brain damage than an occasional drink or 3?

I did have brain fog during Covid. Only thing I can notice might be Tinnitis seems louder in my right ear.


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Well, when you consider the vaccine creates the same spike protein, that'd be pretty terrible. There's a word for tumor growth caused by perpetual epithelial tissue damage (like from smoking). Docs can remind us of it when they get here.
GeographyAg
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Wodanaz said:

Well, when you consider the vaccine creates the same spike protein, that'd be pretty terrible. There's a word for tumor growth caused by perpetual epithelial tissue damage (like from smoking). Docs can remind us of it when they get here.


You would think the millions of us who have gotten the vaccine would be complaining about brain fog if the vaccine caused it, wouldn't you?

On the other hand, if you get a bad case, it seems you can pretty much count on it.
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Boo Weekley
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GeographyAg said:

Wodanaz said:

Well, when you consider the vaccine creates the same spike protein, that'd be pretty terrible. There's a word for tumor growth caused by perpetual epithelial tissue damage (like from smoking). Docs can remind us of it when they get here.


You would think the millions of us who have gotten the vaccine would be complaining about brain fog if the vaccine caused it, wouldn't you?

On the other hand, if you get a bad case, it seems you can pretty much count on it.
The OP referenced possible cognitive and memory issues "later in life". Seems similar to how CTE can manifest much later in life (see Jr. Seau). I know a lot of people who had asymptomatic to flu-like cases of Covid and haven't heard anyone mentioning lingering brain issues or fog.

With regards to your bolded part...you can pretty much count on temporary brain damage or permanent if you get a tough case of Covid?
Duncan Idaho
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Brought this up in the spring. I have 2 coworkers that were noticably less mentally capable after having covid. They didn't become special needs but they definitely weren't the smartest guys in the room anymore
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My long time friend had lost her husband to the brain damage he had from covid blood clots to the brain. He is alive but knows nothing...much like a severe end game alzheimer's case. He was elderly but not brain damaged before. So brain damage can happen. However this is something peers need to review because the long term implications are sobering.
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The one fact that may be reassuring to people who have been vaxxed is that according to a doctor (think he was from MD Anderson?) said that they have been using a Mrna vaccine for the past 11-12 years as a prophylactic against some types of cancers with no long term issues. He explained that this vaccine was the building block used for the covid vaccines and why the vaccines were developed so quickly.
I think i remember some of our Docs on here talking about that?

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Boo Weekley said:

GeographyAg said:

Wodanaz said:

Well, when you consider the vaccine creates the same spike protein, that'd be pretty terrible. There's a word for tumor growth caused by perpetual epithelial tissue damage (like from smoking). Docs can remind us of it when they get here.


You would think the millions of us who have gotten the vaccine would be complaining about brain fog if the vaccine caused it, wouldn't you?

On the other hand, if you get a bad case, it seems you can pretty much count on it.
The OP referenced possible cognitive and memory issues "later in life". Seems similar to how CTE can manifest much later in life (see Jr. Seau). I know a lot of people who had asymptomatic to flu-like cases of Covid and haven't heard anyone mentioning lingering brain issues or fog.

With regards to your bolded part...you can pretty much count on temporary brain damage or permanent if you get a tough case of Covid?
Perhaps oxygen deficiency over a prolonged time might factor in?
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well this is a bummer since we're all going to get covid likely multiple times over the course of our lives
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Duncan Idaho said:

Brought this up in the spring. I have 2 coworkers that were noticably less mentally capable after having covid. They didn't become special needs but they definitely weren't the smartest guys in the room anymore


It's a shame. I'm a covid long hauler and when I'm experiencing symptoms I become a lot dumber lol. My brain doesn't function properly, hard to articulate thoughts, memory issues, forgetting common words, pausing when speaking, trouble doing basic math or solving simple problems at work etc. Im definitely not as sharp and I'm much slower when I'm experiencing symptoms.

I'm sure I come across like an idiot to most people. I've heard audio recordings of myself speak and Im like wow I can't believe this is how I sound haha. I basically turn into a 36 year old Joe Biden when I speak lol.
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