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As I said on another thread, our priority is keeping people from being hospitalized and dying of COVID. If it takes 100 boosters to do that, then who cares? No one in the medical field is trying to limit the number of vaccines given. That's not our priority. As of now, more vaccines means less hospitalizations and less deaths in a very direct fashion. So we're all pushing as much vaccine as possible.

Some people here act like our first priority should be avoiding the vaccine. We're fighting COVID, not the COVID vaccine.

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YOU may be fighting Covid, but many of us fear the political power grab more than this virus. The moment that governments went from suggesting to mandating (or coercing in the case of corporate deputization) a second threat emerged.

People are making the choice to NOT get vaccinated as a form of opposition to the political power grab (can't follow through on threats that would require firing 30% of your workers) even though they know that the risks from the virus are higher than the vaccines. And some are dying for that choice.

It would be lovely if the calculous were isolated to mitigation of a virus' impacts. But it isn't. It's been co-opted to a permanent erosion of freedoms and personal autonomy.

ramblin_ag02 said:

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As I said on another thread, our priority is keeping people from being hospitalized and dying of COVID. If it takes 100 boosters to do that, then who cares? No one in the medical field is trying to limit the number of vaccines given. That's not our priority. As of now, more vaccines means less hospitalizations and less deaths in a very direct fashion. So we're all pushing as much vaccine as possible.

Some people here act like our first priority should be avoiding the vaccine. We're fighting COVID, not the COVID vaccine.

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Perhaps your patients care.

If I've learned one thing in the last 2 years it's that there is a large sector of medical professionals that don't give 2 craps about you unless you are willing to take them as gospel.

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Do you guys realize that all COVID immunity natural infection or vaccination wanes over a period of time? Even folks that have had COVID are getting reinfected. It's what happens!

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Less than 1% of those that were naturally infected acquired Covid again, with asthma and nicotine use being associated with higher reinfection rates. Non-whites also had higher reinfection rates than whites.

Those rates are much better than for vaccinated folks.

How about we push people to get healthier?

P.U.T.U said:

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How about we push people to get healthier?

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Not as much value in that. Provides a good slow-drip of revenue to doctors long term.


I lost 20+ pounds to get my BMI in the normal range (was previously in the overweight range), monitor my blood pressure, started working out more and "re-quit" dipping. COVID has definitely encouraged me to live a healthier lifestyle....yet many seem to have increased their weight / drinking / etc....but they did get the shot!

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Is it as much of a fact as you think it is though? How do you prove that the vaccine wasn't 79% effective the whole time and the reason why it initially appeared 95% effective is because there was less virus circulating during the initial trial? And that trial was only 40k people compared with millions with whom we're currently getting post administration data from now?

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I think the consensus is that the vaccine was 95% effective against the original alpha strain, but the vaccines are less effective against the delta variant. COVID alpha has all but died out, and now everyone has delta. So the vaccines look less impressive than they did, but they did their original job as advertised. Boosters can make the vaccines almost as effective against delta as they were against alpha, and that's the main reason for recommending them. Not some idea of waning immunity.

I don't think anyone has any clue if natural immunity or vaccine immunity wanes or how quickly. Nearly all the reinfections and breakthroughs are first alpha then delta. So we may all have lifelong immunity to alpha for all we know, but it won't matter because it's gone. For now all that matters is immunity to delta.

In a more rational world, we would just create a new vaccine for each variant. With mRNA it's trivially easy and quick to customize a new vaccine for each variant. You could do it in days. However, even the expedited FDA approval process has proven to be very slow compared to the virus mutation rate. On top of that, we had a huge amount of pushback against the speed the vaccines were developed and approved. So while it would be easy, quick, and more effective to make new mRNA vaccines for each strain, it's a political and regulatory non-starter. So instead we're pretty much stuck doing our best with what we already have

FratboyLegend said:

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ramblin_ag02 said:

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As I said on another thread, our priority is keeping people from being hospitalized and dying of COVID. If it takes 100 boosters to do that, then who cares? No one in the medical field is trying to limit the number of vaccines given. That's not our priority. As of now, more vaccines means less hospitalizations and less deaths in a very direct fashion. So we're all pushing as much vaccine as possible.

Some people here act like our first priority should be avoiding the vaccine. We're fighting COVID, not the COVID vaccine.

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Here is where it all breaks down.

MY priority is keeping MYSELF from dying of Covid. I am uninterested in YOUR priority for 'people' which seems to include me.

For ME, the strategy for protecting MYSELF became obvious in Feb - March 2020 (when the Diamond Princess data became clear), and was confirmed in April 2020 (when governments through their actions said hospitals wouldn't be overcrowded).

The strategy for me and those like me was: do nothing, ignore Covid. It posed no meaningful idiosyncratic risk to me as a pathogen, and became clear there was no more systematic risk to me from hospital overcrowding once the temporary hospitals came down.

Good luck in your priorities. I suggest you internalize what I said about the credibility of experts in my last post, as that credibility is a lynchpin to achieving your priorities.

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And yet here you are, arguing with a doctor about Covid, on a Covid message board.

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ramblin_ag02 said:

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Israel used Pfizer almost exclusively, and the data shows that Pfizer boosters really help against Delta. So they are giving boosters.

I also still haven't figured out why boosters are bad. I missed that memo somewhere.

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I agree. If you have already had 2 shots of pfizer 8 months ago, what is the bodily harm or cause for concern with receiving a third?

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Covid is here to stay. Why wouldn't boosters be needed every 4-5 months for the rest of your life? I am not a scientist so genuinely looking for an explanation.

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There's a good chance a 3rd shot is all we need. Your immune system often responds more powerfully to things that it is exposed to with a lot of time in between. There's also the possibility that we need a shot every year for winter once society's collective immunity has normalized (see: Flu). And there's also the possibility that the only people that actually need boosters are immunocompromised and elderly people.

Either way, it's ****ing better than getting put on a vent so who gives a **** if they recommend that certain people get the shot every 4-5 months. Oh the horror.

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No one gives a sh** about RECOMMENDATIONS. I wish it were just RECOMMENDATIONS. I think they should definitely recommend it for certain people, in particular, gordos.

"I didn't get the vaccine and I'm fine because my immune system is not weak" has become the new "I do crossfit" or "I'm a vegan".

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"I didn't get the vaccine and I'm fine because my immune system is not weak" has become the new "I do crossfit" or "I'm a vegan".

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Would be funnier if it was original. Even more so if you didn't flip it from the side it originated.

All the corporations requiring vaccines will need to log each employees vaccine date and subsequent booster schedules. If they only require proof of initial vaccine, they are 100% virtue signaling.

Most of these corporations that tout science and medical community make no differentiation between unvaccinated who are naturally protected and unvaccinated who are not protected. Also a dead giveaway that they are just giving in to leftist covidians.