They initially targeted people over the age of 60 for the boosters, had a lot of success in keeping those people out of the hospital. They gradually pushed eligibility to more of the population. As of today everyone over 30 is eligible for a booster.

Israel used Pfizer almost exclusively, and the data shows that Pfizer boosters really help against Delta. So they are giving boosters.

I also still haven't figured out why boosters are bad. I missed that memo somewhere.

They didn't rule that they were bad. They ruled that they weren't justified as a public health measure. Completely different.

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Israel used Pfizer almost exclusively, and the data shows that Pfizer boosters really help against Delta. So they are giving boosters.

I also still haven't figured out why boosters are bad. I missed that memo somewhere.

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I agree. If you have already had 2 shots of pfizer 8 months ago, what is the bodily harm or cause for concern with receiving a third?

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Israel used Pfizer almost exclusively, and the data shows that Pfizer boosters really help against Delta. So they are giving boosters.

I also still haven't figured out why boosters are bad. I missed that memo somewhere.

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Those that push that are vaccine adverse to begin with. That's all.

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

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For people who had been fully vaccinated by April, the vaccine was 79% effective against symptomatic infection, suggesting that immunity gained through immunization depletes over time.

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"Suggesting?"

This is a fact.

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Do you guys realize that all COVID immunity natural infection or vaccination wanes over a period of time? Even folks that have had COVID are getting reinfected. It's what happens!

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Israel used Pfizer almost exclusively, and the data shows that Pfizer boosters really help against Delta. So they are giving boosters.

I also still haven't figured out why boosters are bad. I missed that memo somewhere.

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How about you show us and prove to us that the boosters are good and adjust its necessity (using science) based on risk, age and health. Also for those that are vaccinated. Don't see why I should endure more side effects from a booster shot if I'm good to go with my current vaccination status.

Pretty basic ***** Stop looking at things from a top down project management/paternalistic perspective and treat people like adults.

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Israel used Pfizer almost exclusively, and the data shows that Pfizer boosters really help against Delta. So they are giving boosters.

I also still haven't figured out why boosters are bad. I missed that memo somewhere.

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Those that push that are vaccine adverse to begin with. That's all.

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Not true at all, I think most vaccinated people are against feeling like crap for a few days every 6-8 months for an ineffective vaccine. You can still get sick and spread it with vaccine and a booster.

I had both pfizer shots in March, not planning on the 3rd.

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Israel used Pfizer almost exclusively, and the data shows that Pfizer boosters really help against Delta. So they are giving boosters.

I also still haven't figured out why boosters are bad. I missed that memo somewhere.

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The boosters are the latest in a long line of evidence that the Covid situation is being managed in a real-time, seat-of-our-pants, figure it out as we go along manner.

This irrefutable management style is wholly incompatible with the now shredded narrative that 'experts' are handling the Covid situation.

People are understandably reluctant to irreversibly inject something into their bodies that is "our best guess of the next move at this time".

That is why boosters are bad. It has nothing to do with their medical or medicinal value.

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Not true at all, I think most vaccinated people are against feeling like crap for a few days every 6-8 months for an ineffective vaccine. You can still get sick and spread it with vaccine and a booster.

I had both pfizer shots in March, not planning on the 3rd.

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I sorta understand this, in light of current conditions. Delta seems to be waning, cases seem to be falling, and hospitalizations are also falling.

But, as long as the virus keeps spreading (worldwide) it is still mutating. All of us hope that it mutates itself out of existence. But that is not a given.

If a new, even more dangerous and deadly variant pops up, many of us are going to want the booster. January/February will be 12 months for me. I am not doing anything right now. I am continuously evaluating everything. I may be wanting to get a booster at 12 months ( I am old). I am also wanting to see if Moderna's booster is any different that the original.

But if this continues on, I will probably get a booster.
That is living my life the way that I want to.
Not shut up in a dark closet, nor running around trying to catch it.

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The boosters are the latest in a long line of evidence that the Covid situation is being managed in a real-time, seat-of-our-pants, figure it out as we go along manner.

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Do you have an alternative? It's a new virus. Everyone is making it up as we go along, because that's the only option. We know COVID is bad and killing people so we do the best we can with the information we have at any given moment

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The boosters are the latest in a long line of evidence that the Covid situation is being managed in a real-time, seat-of-our-pants, figure it out as we go along manner.

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Do you have an alternative? It's a new virus. Everyone is making it up as we go along, because that's the only option. We know COVID is bad and killing people so we do the best we can with the information we have at any given moment

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Yeah, I have an alternative...that govt and corporations quit mandating this sh** and quit speaking in absolutes when we keep finding out they were wrong about certain things in hindsight.

If we are learning things on the fly, I think it is perfectly fine and reasonable for some low risk people (esp those who have recovered from Covid) to take a "wait and see approach" on the vaccine and a potentially long line of boosters to follow.

As I said on another thread, our priority is keeping people from being hospitalized and dying of COVID. If it takes 100 boosters to do that, then who cares? No one in the medical field is trying to limit the number of vaccines given. That's not our priority. As of now, more vaccines means less hospitalizations and less deaths in a very direct fashion. So we're all pushing as much vaccine as possible.

Some people here act like our first priority should be avoiding the vaccine. We're fighting COVID, not the COVID vaccine.

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As I said on another thread, our priority is keeping people from being hospitalized and dying of COVID. If it takes 100 boosters to do that, then who cares? No one in the medical field is trying to limit the number of vaccines given. That's not our priority. As of now, more vaccines means less hospitalizations and less deaths in a very direct fashion. So we're all pushing as much vaccine as possible.

Some people here act like our first priority should be avoiding the vaccine. We're fighting COVID, not the COVID vaccine.

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I just hope you're pushing perpetual boosters more to at-risk people and not younger, healthier people. I trust that's the case, but even some doctors seem to be pushing a "one size fits all" approach. When that is not at all what this disease is.

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As I said on another thread, our priority is keeping people from being hospitalized and dying of COVID. If it takes 100 boosters to do that, then who cares? No one in the medical field is trying to limit the number of vaccines given. That's not our priority. As of now, more vaccines means less hospitalizations and less deaths in a very direct fashion. So we're all pushing as much vaccine as possible.

Some people here act like our first priority should be avoiding the vaccine. We're fighting COVID, not the COVID vaccine.

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Here is where it all breaks down.

MY priority is keeping MYSELF from dying of Covid. I am uninterested in YOUR priority for 'people' which seems to include me.

For ME, the strategy for protecting MYSELF became obvious in Feb - March 2020 (when the Diamond Princess data became clear), and was confirmed in April 2020 (when governments through their actions said hospitals wouldn't be overcrowded).

The strategy for me and those like me was: do nothing, ignore Covid. It posed no meaningful idiosyncratic risk to me as a pathogen, and became clear there was no more systematic risk to me from hospital overcrowding once the temporary hospitals came down.

Good luck in your priorities. I suggest you internalize what I said about the credibility of experts in my last post, as that credibility is a lynchpin to achieving your priorities.

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Israel used Pfizer almost exclusively, and the data shows that Pfizer boosters really help against Delta. So they are giving boosters.

I also still haven't figured out why boosters are bad. I missed that memo somewhere.

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How about you show us and prove to us that the boosters are good and adjust its necessity (using science) based on risk, age and health. Also for those that are vaccinated. Don't see why I should endure more side effects from a booster shot if I'm good to go with my current vaccination status.

Pretty basic ***** Stop looking at things from a top down project management/paternalistic perspective and treat people like adults.

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There's pretty good evidence in the Israel data posted just a few posts above yours. I thing the FDA was very smart to recommend boosters only to 65+ and immunocompromised. The data clearly shows there is no need for a booster in the younger cohort. And again the lines up with the recommendation. I do think it's like/reasonable that everyone might need a booster before winter of '22. But we'll have to see how the data shakes out.

You're being dramatic over nothing.

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Israel used Pfizer almost exclusively, and the data shows that Pfizer boosters really help against Delta. So they are giving boosters.

I also still haven't figured out why boosters are bad. I missed that memo somewhere.

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I agree. If you have already had 2 shots of pfizer 8 months ago, what is the bodily harm or cause for concern with receiving a third?

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Covid is here to stay. Why wouldn't boosters be needed every 4-5 months for the rest of your life? I am not a scientist so genuinely looking for an explanation.

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There's a good chance a 3rd shot is all we need. Your immune system often responds more powerfully to things that it is exposed to with a lot of time in between. There's also the possibility that we need a shot every year for winter once society's collective immunity has normalized (see: Flu). And there's also the possibility that the only people that actually need boosters are immunocompromised and elderly people.

Either way, it's ****ing better than getting put on a vent so who gives a **** if they recommend that certain people get the shot every 4-5 months. Oh the horror.

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As I said on another thread, our priority is keeping people from being hospitalized and dying of COVID. If it takes 100 boosters to do that, then who cares? No one in the medical field is trying to limit the number of vaccines given. That's not our priority. As of now, more vaccines means less hospitalizations and less deaths in a very direct fashion. So we're all pushing as much vaccine as possible.

Some people here act like our first priority should be avoiding the vaccine. We're fighting COVID, not the COVID vaccine.

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Here is where it all breaks down.

MY priority is keeping MYSELF from dying of Covid. I am uninterested in YOUR priority for 'people' which seems to include me.

For ME, the strategy for protecting MYSELF became obvious in Feb - March 2020 (when the Diamond Princess data became clear), and was confirmed in April 2020 (when governments through their actions said hospitals wouldn't be overcrowded).

The strategy for me and those like me was: do nothing, ignore Covid. It posed no meaningful idiosyncratic risk to me as a pathogen, and became clear there was no more systematic risk to me from hospital overcrowding once the temporary hospitals came down.

Good luck in your priorities. I suggest you internalize what I said about the credibility of experts in my last post, as that credibility is a lynchpin to achieving your priorities.

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Wow you are such a badass