Maybe the assumption is without it he'd be dead. Seems more likely based upon actual data.SB 43rd STREET OG said:If my family friend who almost died from severe covid pneumonia and spent several weeks in ICU and over a month total in the hospital had it to do all over again, not sure he'd get vaccinated again. I would never ask him, but would be interesting to get his thoughts. Maybe the assumption is that it would have been worse had he not been vaxxed. He doesn't even look like the same person.dubi said:
If you could go back in time, would you get the vaccine?
And yes, I know this type of case is more the exception, but since we only hear about the worst cases on here and so many seem to think the vaccine is near infallible, figured I'd chime in as well.
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bay fan said:Maybe the assumption is without it he'd be dead. Seems more likely based upon actual data.SB 43rd STREET OG said:If my family friend who almost died from severe covid pneumonia and spent several weeks in ICU and over a month total in the hospital had it to do all over again, not sure he'd get vaccinated again. I would never ask him, but would be interesting to get his thoughts. Maybe the assumption is that it would have been worse had he not been vaxxed. He doesn't even look like the same person.dubi said:
If you could go back in time, would you get the vaccine?
And yes, I know this type of case is more the exception, but since we only hear about the worst cases on here and so many seem to think the vaccine is near infallible, figured I'd chime in as well.
Long stint in ICU barely saved his life and he would have certainly died without that and he doesn't even look like the same person, thanks vaccine!
Sorry, I believe it helps a lot of people, but in this case, the vaccine was CRAP. Same for the people who have died from Covid after vax. It would have definitely been worse for them without vax!
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Aggies75455 said:
I've read through a lot of this board and really wondering what the right thing to do is. I'm 31 and in good health (a little over weight) and my wife is 28 and in good health and in shape. We have a 3 year old who has celiac disease. As far as we know, none of us have gotten infected at any point. We are mainly concerned about potential birth defects or infertility as we want to have more kids.
Up until this point we've personally been against getting vaccinated as we have concerns with long term side effects from it but with the delta strain we're really weighing the options. My personal stance has been flat out that I don't trust the government but I do trust medical professionals and wrestling with the right thing to do. I also have family members in the same boat (none have gotten vaccinated). My younger sister who's diabetic had the virus last summer and was able to stay out of the hospital.
I've watched countless videos on both sides and don't have a primary doctor as we moved last year. Just looking to get input from others who are medically trained and those who have dealt with the virus. Also prayers to anyone who's lost loved ones in this ordeal. Thanks for any input.
Make your own choice… but avoid political Covid math when you make it is my advice.
Ultimately, the math I did wasn't about percentage of deaths and hospitalizations. I personally know a ton of people who have had Covid. Only know 1 person indirectly who died from it and know one person who went to the hospital with it. But equally, I also only know one person who wasn't vaccinated who just had a mild case. Every other person I know it has made pretty damn sick with most saying worst they've felt in their lives. Some it took months to feel 100% again. Granted, I do live in a city not in the States at the moment where just to get around, there really is no such thing as social distancing… so that makes having a severe Covid case way more likely.
The point though is weigh the risks relative to just it not being great to be sick for long periods of time rather than hospital and death stats and it becomes an easier equation to solve. You have a child too. I'll tell you this… not a lot of people are gonna raise their hands and take your child for 2 weeks knowing they were exposed to Covid. Keep that in mind too. Definitely factored into my math with my own kids.
ATM9000 said:
You have a child too. I'll tell you this… not a lot of people are gonna raise their hands and take your child for 2 weeks knowing they were exposed to Covid. Keep that in mind too. Definitely factored into my math with my own kids.
With friends like that who needs friends at all.
I know we would help any of our friends that have / had COVID. We did it with the flu. We did it with the cold. Sure, some people are at different life stages and have different health factors but sad state of affairs if that is true in anyone's inner circle where they couldn't find help.
planoaggie123 said:ATM9000 said:
You have a child too. I'll tell you this… not a lot of people are gonna raise their hands and take your child for 2 weeks knowing they were exposed to Covid. Keep that in mind too. Definitely factored into my math with my own kids.
With friends like that who needs friends at all.
I know we would help any of our friends that have / had COVID. We did it with the flu. We did it with the cold. Sure, some people are at different life stages and have different health factors but sad state of affairs if that is true in anyone's inner circle where they couldn't find help.
That's one way to look at it. The other is that it is incredibly contagious and frankly… the stink on Covid and isolation requirements for so many peoples jobs and the like make it one where I simply wouldn't want to impose that on a friend or family member.
I get it...to a degree.
I don't believe you are in the camp of people you are referring to but I do think you can look out at our nation as a whole and definitely see the scenario you are stating, which is sad. A few things....
1) Most of the people/parents with kids that would end up being unable to take care of themselves (under 10) are under 45 which, assuming healthy, is still a relatively low risk demographic. Not zero risk. Low risk. Variability of that risk depends on how healthy the person is (overweight, etc). The OP, depending on his weight assessment (when he says a little overweight...does that mean a lot overweight?), is close to zero risk.
2) I am not saying every friend someone has would/should be jumping to take care another's kids...however....if one is unable to look at their closet 3 - 5 friends and are doubting if there is even 1 that would help in such a situation...I would re-evaluate friends immediately.
3) As a nation, we have become so dependent on government to take care of us that there is a large segment of society where people would lock their door if a friend came up begging for help and would just hope their friend could find help from a government program, etc. Many demand government help but refuse to provide help.
4) Finally, I think we can all agree if you are using the "can I get help" scenario for basis of shot or not shot you probably should get the shot as you likely have assessed yourself at a risk that probably doesnt make sense to avoid the jab.
I don't believe you are in the camp of people you are referring to but I do think you can look out at our nation as a whole and definitely see the scenario you are stating, which is sad. A few things....
1) Most of the people/parents with kids that would end up being unable to take care of themselves (under 10) are under 45 which, assuming healthy, is still a relatively low risk demographic. Not zero risk. Low risk. Variability of that risk depends on how healthy the person is (overweight, etc). The OP, depending on his weight assessment (when he says a little overweight...does that mean a lot overweight?), is close to zero risk.
2) I am not saying every friend someone has would/should be jumping to take care another's kids...however....if one is unable to look at their closet 3 - 5 friends and are doubting if there is even 1 that would help in such a situation...I would re-evaluate friends immediately.
3) As a nation, we have become so dependent on government to take care of us that there is a large segment of society where people would lock their door if a friend came up begging for help and would just hope their friend could find help from a government program, etc. Many demand government help but refuse to provide help.
4) Finally, I think we can all agree if you are using the "can I get help" scenario for basis of shot or not shot you probably should get the shot as you likely have assessed yourself at a risk that probably doesnt make sense to avoid the jab.
redcrayon said:
First, this is F84.
Second, a doctor on here told unvaccinated people not to go to the ER if they get sick. It doesn't get uglier than that.
Ah, yes, because if we judged the entire board on one person's single post then F16 would definitely come out way ahead
And no, I'm not defending that post.
Op, did you make a decision? If not, remember that you'll regret it if you don't.
Actually, you'll probably be good either way.
Actually, you'll probably be good either way.
Still wrestling the decision. I'm about 60-40 in favor of getting it. Wife is about 90-10 against it. I continue to go through posts and research everything I can. One minute I'm ready to get in the truck and go get it and the next I'm like not gonna happen.
For now we've gotten and started taking all of the vitamins and have the oxygen monitor. Wife's cousin has it right now and she seems to be doing fine (no vaccine) but I know all cases are different. She's on day 10 or so now.
I'm the hypochondriac of the family so I'm stressing pretty bad over what to do.
For now we've gotten and started taking all of the vitamins and have the oxygen monitor. Wife's cousin has it right now and she seems to be doing fine (no vaccine) but I know all cases are different. She's on day 10 or so now.
I'm the hypochondriac of the family so I'm stressing pretty bad over what to do.
Aggies75455 said:
Still wrestling the decision. I'm about 60-40 in favor of getting it. Wife is about 90-10 against it. I continue to go through posts and research everything I can. One minute I'm ready to get in the truck and go get it and the next I'm like not gonna happen.
For now we've gotten and started taking all of the vitamins and have the oxygen monitor. Wife's cousin has it right now and she seems to be doing fine (no vaccine) but I know all cases are different. She's on day 10 or so now.
I'm the hypochondriac of the family so I'm stressing pretty bad over what to do.
Perhaps imagine what you would do if you were, say, a doctor. To do that, you could maybe just ask a doctor. Whatever they would do, just do that.
Or consult with someone that sells juice plus and believes the moon landings were faked. Same difference.
I'm a physician, but haven't bothered to get my red cross sign. There is no data to suggest fertility or birth defect issues. Disproving every wild internet rumor out there is impossible, but there actually have been articles posted to refute these very claims. If you don't want the vaccine, then just don't get it and quit losing sleep over it. On the other hand, if it is causing you this much consternation go ahead and get it. The chances of a bad outcome from getting Covid, although low, is significantly higher than a bad outcome from the vaccine. There are no guarantees in life. Anything you put into your body could cause you harm from the air you breathe, the food you eat and the water you drink. Requiring guarantees will simply put you in this "on the fence" position about everything. The driving you do every day is exponentially more dangerous than the vaccine. You already know that the medical establishment in general and all those on TexAgs are in favor of the vaccine, so I am not sure what answers you are looking for.
Aggies75455 said:
She's on day 10 or so now.
I'm the hypochondriac of the family so I'm stressing pretty bad over what to do.
Just knowing I could have something for 10 days (even if minor) would make the decision easy for me. I HATE being sick. Seriously, good luck with whatever you decide.
Aggies75455 said:
I'm the hypochondriac of the family so I'm stressing pretty bad over what to do.
A true hypochondriac would have been extremely paranoid about severe disease and gotten vaxed long ago.
planoaggie123 said:
3) As a nation, we have become so dependent on government to take care of us that there is a large segment of society where people would lock their door if a friend came up begging for help and would just hope their friend could find help from a government program, etc. Many demand government help but refuse to provide help.
4) Finally, I think we can all agree if you are using the "can I get help" scenario for basis of shot or not shot you probably should get the shot as you likely have assessed yourself at a risk that probably doesnt make sense to avoid the jab.
I find this an interesting dichotomy. Because I think the real question isn't 'can I get help' but rather 'what are my own responsibilities'?
And you speak in a way about government intervention preventing acute kindness and people refusing to help. Yet… there's this one thing anybody can do that's almost assured to keep them and their loved ones safe and better yet… help in keeping societal resources such as healthcare readily available for everybody to use. That's not acute kindness… but I think it is an important benefit and thought to have when making your own decisions on the jab.
Day 10 is the day I really went south.
Maybe this already came up and I missed it, but in case it didn't, you could also both go get antibody tests because there is always the chance you had an infection in the past and have antibodies, making the vaccine less of a game changer for yall. This would at least provide some extra assurance if you decide to forgo the vaccine as in all likelihood, covid-recovered provides a similar level of protection.Aggies75455 said:
Still wrestling the decision. I'm about 60-40 in favor of getting it. Wife is about 90-10 against it. I continue to go through posts and research everything I can. One minute I'm ready to get in the truck and go get it and the next I'm like not gonna happen.
For now we've gotten and started taking all of the vitamins and have the oxygen monitor. Wife's cousin has it right now and she seems to be doing fine (no vaccine) but I know all cases are different. She's on day 10 or so now.
I'm the hypochondriac of the family so I'm stressing pretty bad over what to do.
Rex Racer said:
Day 10 is the day I really went south.
Same here Rex.
Understand your point but we likely see some things different but maybe not so differently at the same time.
Most of my further discussion I typed out I realized is just getting too political for this board so I deleted…
Most of my further discussion I typed out I realized is just getting too political for this board so I deleted…
planoaggie123 said:
Most of my further discussion I typed out I realized is just getting too political for this board so I deleted…
Which is the right thing to do in this (and most) decision making processes. Thing is… I agree with the last 3 of those 4 points you made to a large degree. The first one I don't because it seems like you are defining risk politically and not practically.
In the last 3 points though, it's all about what others are or aren't doing or can do and why when ultimately this question should be about your own personal responsibilities and that alone. Looking at it from that lense, my honest assessment is the choice is really not a very complicated one.
When I think about how I left my wife alone with COVID when I was hospitalized for 16 days with COVID pneumonia, I think about how selfish I was in not getting vaccinated. I am blessed that I didn't leave her alone permanently. Thank God she was able to get treated with the monoclonal antibodies, and that those turned her around quickly. She was in pretty good shape by the time she picked me up from the hospital.
I'm not saying any particular person is being selfish by not getting vaccinated. That is every person's individual choice. I am just saying that I personally felt selfish when I returned home and really thought about how close I was to leaving my darling wife to live life without me.
I'm not saying any particular person is being selfish by not getting vaccinated. That is every person's individual choice. I am just saying that I personally felt selfish when I returned home and really thought about how close I was to leaving my darling wife to live life without me.
Agree to disagree but the stats are pretty clear on risk. Ignoring numbers and percentages is very political. You ca choose to more zero risk life and that is fine.
I've not seen any good reasons not to get the shot at your age.Aggies75455 said:
I've read through a lot of this board and really wondering what the right thing to do is. I'm 31 and in good health (a little over weight) and my wife is 28 and in good health and in shape. We have a 3 year old who has celiac disease. As far as we know, none of us have gotten infected at any point. We are mainly concerned about potential birth defects or infertility as we want to have more kids.
Up until this point we've personally been against getting vaccinated as we have concerns with long term side effects from it but with the delta strain we're really weighing the options. My personal stance has been flat out that I don't trust the government but I do trust medical professionals and wrestling with the right thing to do. I also have family members in the same boat (none have gotten vaccinated). My younger sister who's diabetic had the virus last summer and was able to stay out of the hospital.
I've watched countless videos on both sides and don't have a primary doctor as we moved last year. Just looking to get input from others who are medically trained and those who have dealt with the virus. Also prayers to anyone who's lost loved ones in this ordeal. Thanks for any input.
The OP is 31 and his wife is 28.
Per the CDC:
18-29 age range: ~7.4mm cases, 3367 deaths for a death rate of 0.06%, or a >99.9% chance of survival
30-29 age range: ~5.5mm cases, 7020 deaths for a death rate of 0.12%, or a 99.88% chance of survival
Some of the cases people are using here are of individuals in their 50s, where there have been 88807 deaths out of ~6.4mm cases, so the death rate is >1%, which is not a good comparison for the OP. I would say the overall little risk is a good reason.
Per the CDC:
18-29 age range: ~7.4mm cases, 3367 deaths for a death rate of 0.06%, or a >99.9% chance of survival
30-29 age range: ~5.5mm cases, 7020 deaths for a death rate of 0.12%, or a 99.88% chance of survival
Some of the cases people are using here are of individuals in their 50s, where there have been 88807 deaths out of ~6.4mm cases, so the death rate is >1%, which is not a good comparison for the OP. I would say the overall little risk is a good reason.
If your wife really thinks it's going to mess with her fertility, at least get the shot so that your reduce the chances of bringing it home to her. It won't completely eliminate the risk, but there's a benefit there.
Huh? How will it reduce the risk now that we know the vaccine will not 1) stop one from getting COVID, and 2) still allow that person to pass COVID to others?jopatura said:
If your wife really thinks it's going to mess with her fertility, at least get the shot so that your reduce the chances of bringing it home to her. It won't completely eliminate the risk, but there's a benefit there.
There are 2 types of people in this world right now:
1. Those who have gotten COVID
2. Those who will get COVID
That's not an argument against the vaccine. I'll probably survive if I get the regular flu but I'm going to get the flu shot again this year because there is no good reason for me not to get it.aTm2004 said:
The OP is 31 and his wife is 28.
Per the CDC:
18-29 age range: ~7.4mm cases, 3367 deaths for a death rate of 0.06%, or a >99.9% chance of survival
30-29 age range: ~5.5mm cases, 7020 deaths for a death rate of 0.12%, or a 99.88% chance of survival
Some of the cases people are using here are of individuals in their 50s, where there have been 88807 deaths out of ~6.4mm cases, so the death rate is >1%, which is not a good comparison for the OP. I would say the overall little risk is a good reason.
Actually, it is. The OP and his wife's chances of having any real issues and/or dying from COVID are small. In fact, from what people describe getting the vaccine is like, he may feel worse from the vaccine than COVID. Whether you want to admit it or not, the OP is in a very low risk age group (sans any health issues) where COVID risk is minimal.
Could he or his wife be an exception? Yes. But you can't use that as justification for getting the vaccine and ignore the exceptions for those who have received the vaccine and have had issues. Doing so is disingenuous.
Could he or his wife be an exception? Yes. But you can't use that as justification for getting the vaccine and ignore the exceptions for those who have received the vaccine and have had issues. Doing so is disingenuous.
Is feeling worse the metric or having real issues/dying the metric? It seems like you are using two different outcomes to fit your argument.aTm2004 said:
Actually, it is. The OP and his wife's chances of having any real issues and/or dying from COVID are small. In fact, from what people describe getting the vaccine is like, he may feel worse from the vaccine than COVID. Whether you want to admit it or not, the OP is in a very low risk age group (sans any health issues) where COVID risk is minimal.
Could he or his wife be an exception? Yes. But you can't use that as justification for getting the vaccine and ignore the exceptions for those who have received the vaccine and have had issues. Doing so is disingenuous.
I had COVID in February and eventually got the vaccination. I can tell you that I felt significantly worse when I had COVID than after getting the vaccination and I had a mild case. I got the vaccination to decrease my chances of getting COVID again and also limiting the extent of the illness. I've never really worried about dying from COVID, exactly like I don't worry about dying from the flu.
Here's what we know about the vaccine:aTm2004 said:Huh? How will it reduce the risk now that we know the vaccine will not 1) stop one from getting COVID, and 2) still allow that person to pass COVID to others?jopatura said:
If your wife really thinks it's going to mess with her fertility, at least get the shot so that your reduce the chances of bringing it home to her. It won't completely eliminate the risk, but there's a benefit there.
There are 2 types of people in this world right now:
1. Those who have gotten COVID
2. Those who will get COVID
1) It stops a lot of people from getting covid (but not everybody because nothing in life is 100%)
2) For most people who do get a breakthrough infection, that infection is very mild (milder than it would have been with out the vaccine), and they aren't as contagious for nearly as long as those who get the full-blown unprotected version.
I think there are five types of people in this world right now:
1. Those who have gotten COVID and gotten over it easily.
2. Those who have gotten COVID and gotten over it, but had a hard time with it and either wish they'd been able to get a simple vaccination to help their bodies fight it, or regret their decision not to worry about it until it was too late.
3. Those who will get COVID and never know it or have a very mild case.
4. Those who will get COVID and know that they have been vaccinated, so their bodies already have a head start on fighting the infection (and that they've done all they can do to be prepared ahead of time).
5. Those who will get COVID, start to feel really bad, and then suddenly wonder what they should do about it, probably looking into antibody treatments or other treatments to try to give themselves some help fighting it.
If I’m posting, it’s actually Mrs GeographyAg.
Mr. GeographyAg is a dedicated lurker.
Mr. GeographyAg is a dedicated lurker.
You could say the same for the justification for getting the vaccine, couldn't you? When it came out, it keeps you out of the hospital and keeps you from spreading it to others. Now it seems that the purpose is it keeps a person from dying when they get COVID. Are both true? For the most part, yes. But don't act like the narrative on vaccines hasn't changed as breakthrough cases have emerged, and with it, hospitalizations and deaths of vaccinated individuals. Kind of seems like the case for the vaccine is using also different outcomes to fit the narrative, no?Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:Is feeling worse the metric or having real issues/dying the metric? It seems like you are using two different outcomes to fit your argument.aTm2004 said:
Actually, it is. The OP and his wife's chances of having any real issues and/or dying from COVID are small. In fact, from what people describe getting the vaccine is like, he may feel worse from the vaccine than COVID. Whether you want to admit it or not, the OP is in a very low risk age group (sans any health issues) where COVID risk is minimal.
Could he or his wife be an exception? Yes. But you can't use that as justification for getting the vaccine and ignore the exceptions for those who have received the vaccine and have had issues. Doing so is disingenuous.
I had COVID a month ago, and I've felt worse with seasonal allergies. In fact, out of everyone I know who has had COVID, the only 2 that have had real issues that required hepatization are my diabetic step-dad (last October) and my vaccinated mid-50's aunt, who both went to the hospital and were sent home to let it run it's course, only to both be right back within a week with pneumonia. My 66 year old dad and his fiance? Got sick but not close to needing to go to the hospital. My 62 year old mom? Fatigue for about 4 days. Other than that, nobody has felt bad to even need to take off of work. They only did so because work required it.Quote:
I had COVID in February and eventually got the vaccination. I can tell you that I felt significantly worse when I had COVID than after getting the vaccination and I had a mild case. I got the vaccination to decrease my chances of getting COVID again and also limiting the extent of the illness, statistically.
We're talking past each other at this point.
What is your metric? Feeling poorly or death?
I'm not concerned with the narratives or media, which is why I never brought them up. Vaccines generally limit your chances of catching an illness and tend to lessen its effects. Many of them never completely limit the chances of a person getting sick.
There is little evidence at this time to support the idea that there are any issues with someone his age getting the vaccine. And while there is little evidence to suggest that he will die from COVID, he will get sick and show any number of symptoms. The vaccine, by all accounts, limits how sick he and his wife might get which is a good thing.
If I can get a shot that limits the effects a common illness, I'm taking it. Especially one that doesn't appear to have any negative effects on someone his age.
What is your metric? Feeling poorly or death?
I'm not concerned with the narratives or media, which is why I never brought them up. Vaccines generally limit your chances of catching an illness and tend to lessen its effects. Many of them never completely limit the chances of a person getting sick.
There is little evidence at this time to support the idea that there are any issues with someone his age getting the vaccine. And while there is little evidence to suggest that he will die from COVID, he will get sick and show any number of symptoms. The vaccine, by all accounts, limits how sick he and his wife might get which is a good thing.
If I can get a shot that limits the effects a common illness, I'm taking it. Especially one that doesn't appear to have any negative effects on someone his age.
You state that as a fact, but we do not know because the CDC stopped tracking data in May. But yeah, you're going to use the "nothing in life is 100%" as your out.GeographyAg said:Here's what we know about the vaccine:aTm2004 said:Huh? How will it reduce the risk now that we know the vaccine will not 1) stop one from getting COVID, and 2) still allow that person to pass COVID to others?jopatura said:
If your wife really thinks it's going to mess with her fertility, at least get the shot so that your reduce the chances of bringing it home to her. It won't completely eliminate the risk, but there's a benefit there.
There are 2 types of people in this world right now:
1. Those who have gotten COVID
2. Those who will get COVID
1) It stops a lot of people from getting covid (but not everybody because nothing in life is 100%)
"State health departments voluntarily report vaccine breakthrough cases to CDC. On May 1, 2021, after collecting data on thousands of vaccine breakthrough infections, CDC changed the focus of how it uses data from this reporting system. One of the strengths of this system is collecting data on severe cases of vaccine breakthrough COVID-19 since it is likely that most of these types of vaccine breakthrough cases seek medical care and are diagnosed and reported as a COVID-19 case. CDC relies on a variety of additional approaches to comprehensively monitor vaccine impact. Previous data on all vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC from JanuaryApril 2021 are available."
If you're talking people 50+, I'd agree. For those in their 20's or 30's, I would disagree. Their impact is much less.Quote:
2) For most people who do get a breakthrough infection, that infection is very mild (milder than it would have been with out the vaccine), and they aren't as contagious for nearly as long as those who get the full-blown unprotected version.
Also, regarding transmission...
"'Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,' she said. 'They continue to work well with delta with regard to severe illness and death, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission.'"
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I think there are five types of people in this world right now:
1. Those who have gotten COVID and gotten over it easily. Majority of people
2. Those who have gotten COVID and gotten over it, but had a hard time with it and either wish they'd been able to get a simple vaccination to help their bodies fight it, or regret their decision not to worry about it until it was too late. Those have mostly been older or had health issues. For a healthy younger person, this is rare.
3. Those who will get COVID and never know it or have a very mild case. Again, majority of people
4. Those who will get COVID and know that they have been vaccinated, so their bodies already have a head start on fighting the infection (and that they've done all they can do to be prepared ahead of time). If there are known comorbidities or a person is mid-40s+, they should get the vaccine. Healthy 20 and 30 somethings?
5. Those who will get COVID, start to feel really bad, and then suddenly wonder what they should do about it, probably looking into antibody treatments or other treatments to try to give themselves some help fighting it. What do you have against that? Even vaccinated people are now seeking treatments when they get COVID.
Considering how the vaccine makes people feel, I'd say the metric is both. The OP can choose to get the vaccine and will probably feel like crap for a couple of days. The OP can choose not to get the vaccine and feel like crap for a couple of days when he gets COVID. Either way, his chance of death is very low. That's why I suggested for the OP to talk to friends and family he knows who have had COIVD to see how it impacted them. Is that how it will impact OP? No. But it's better than coming to a very pro-vaccine board and asking for advice. Internet vs. real world.Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
We're talking past each other at this point.
What is your metric? Feeling poorly or death?
I'm not concerned with the narratives or media, which is why I never brought them up. Vaccines generally limit your chances of catching an illness and tend to lessen its effects. Many of them never completely limit the chances of a person getting sick.
There is little evidence at this time to support the idea that there are any issues with someone his age getting the vaccine. And while there is little evidence to suggest that he will die from COVID, he will get sick and show any number of symptoms. The vaccine, by all accounts, limits how sick he and his wife might get which is a good thing.
If I can get a shot that limits the effects a common illness, I'm taking it. Especially one that doesn't appear to have any negative effects on someone his age.
My wife and I chose not to get the vaccine because the numbers said we were at little risk. If I was given a choice of getting a vaccine or being as sick as I was, I would choose the latter 100% of the time.
If it's both, doesn't the evidence tend to support the idea a person is less likely to have significant symptoms or die from COVID than a person who doesn't get the vaccine?
If you're talking someone with health issues or someone in their 50s or older? Yes. For someone in their 20s or 30s with no health issues (not going to mention teens and children), the data shows they're less likely to have significant symptoms or die from COVID, regardless of vaccine status.
Again, there is not a one size fits all approach to COVID, and thinking the vaccine needs to be in the arms of every person is crazy.
Again, there is not a one size fits all approach to COVID, and thinking the vaccine needs to be in the arms of every person is crazy.
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