KidDoc said:

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ACOG and SMFM Recommend COVID-19 Vaccination for Pregnant Individuals | ACOG

How dare that evil doctor want to keep her from the risk of hospitalization and death!

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Every doctor I have visited in the last year and a half believes that masks are effective. When numerous studies show in the range of 2-3% effectiveness. I think one recent one concluded 10%, but i have to assume this is in perfect experimental conditions...masks worn properly, not dirty and being touched all day, above the nose and tight etc.

Why don't doctors believe in science? THEY ALL REQUIRE MASKS.

bay fan said:

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astros4545 said:

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AgShaun00 said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

I believe the 10% effective study also included social distancing so there was no way to quantify one vs the other.

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Wife had covid st 6.5 months. No issues with baby. Wife had a fever off and on for 2 or 3 days and some aches and pains. Worst part about it is that she got it Christmas week and that's her favorite day of the year. The kid is unbelievably adorable. Probably a side effect of covid

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You sure it's yours?

SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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bay fan said:

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astros4545 said:

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AgShaun00 said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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You are certainly free to think those of us in the medical profession are worthless and don't follow science. You are also certainly free to not partake in the benefits those same professionals can offer you when you are sick. I am sure you will do fine with your M.D. degree from Google College of Medicine.

Gizzards said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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bay fan said:

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astros4545 said:

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AgShaun00 said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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You are certainly free to think those of us in the medical profession are worthless and don't follow science. You are also certainly free to not partake in the benefits those same professionals can offer you when you are sick. I am sure you will do fine with your M.D. degree from Google College of Medicine.

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Eh he's not here to debate, he's here for attention. Doesn't understand at all his charts and graphs, which are all made up **** from clickbait scammers anyway.

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Gizzards said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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bay fan said:

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astros4545 said:

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AgShaun00 said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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You are certainly free to think those of us in the medical profession are worthless and don't follow science. You are also certainly free to not partake in the benefits those same professionals can offer you when you are sick. I am sure you will do fine with your M.D. degree from Google College of Medicine.

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Eh he's not here to debate, he's here for attention. Doesn't understand at all his charts and graphs, which are all made up **** from clickbait scammers anyway.

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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bay fan said:

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astros4545 said:

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AgShaun00 said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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Lol, yes, anyone willing to listen does know the vaccine is a benefit to a pregnant women. You can lead a horse to water as they say. Quit getting your news from Facebook and people wearing tin foil hats and you are less likely to hurt someone.

AgRebel08 said:

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Its a weird virus affects all differently it seems and no one can explain that.

A lot of positive vaxx stories so ill share mine.

3 nurses all vaxxed all pregnant all lost their babies.

Was it the vax who knows.

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I just have to say, THIS ^^^ is, imho, the worst kind of Fear Porn there is.

There is ZERO proof that there is any kind of connection between the vaccination and the miscarriages. You don't even tell us how long after vaccination the miscarriages occurred. Within 24 hours? Two weeks? Two months?

Miscarriages happen all the time for all kinds of reasons.

I have one friend who has lost five babies, and she doesn't believe in vaccination or modern medicine at all.

This is like saying that a black cat crossed your path and then you stubbed your toe so those two things must be connected. It's ridiculous, imho.


I'm very sorry those ladies have suffered the loss of a child, and I completely understand the strong desire to find something to blame, but this is not at all like people pointing out the very real and *obviously connected* stories of those who are sick with covid losing their lives and/or the lives of their babies. One is totally conjecture, one is certainly connected.

If you want to argue percentages for chances of death, that's different, but to at all equate three vague stories of miscarriage which just happened to come after someone was vaccinated some time in the past is ridiculous.

petebaker said:

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Hydroxychloroquine is safe for pregnant women proven safe use in lupus and rheumatoid arthritis is perfectly fine.
Prednisone, aspirin, inhaled budesonide, blood thinners can be used if needed while pregnant and early treatment for severe symptoms are needed
Pregnant women can always be treated early not placed on ventilator.
Mild symptoms or testing positive simply get through without severe symptoms and without intervention

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Or you know, just get the vaccine and move on with your life.

Gizzards said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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bay fan said:

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astros4545 said:

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AgShaun00 said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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You are certainly free to think those of us in the medical profession are worthless and don't follow science. You are also certainly free to not partake in the benefits those same professionals can offer you when you are sick. I am sure you will do fine with your M.D. degree from Google College of Medicine.

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I trust my personal doctors who stay in their lanes and focus on their specialty. But when they start talking about how my fetus should be vaxxed when my wife recovered from covid and how masks make things safe...i roll my eyes and wish they would just stick to what they spent years studying and memorizing for. Luckily, I know a few doctors who see through a lot of the BS as well...they just can't say openly, because karens abound.

But in the aggregate, doctors are not some body of intellectual heavyweights or beacons of logic and common sense. Many doctors are hard left brained and do not exceed in certain types of thought exercises. They are very good at memorization and largely very dedicated, and society is much better off for that. Kind of like engineers.

bay fan said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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bay fan said:

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astros4545 said:

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AgShaun00 said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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Lol, yes, anyone willing to listen does know the vaccine is a benefit to a pregnant women. You can lead a horse to water as they say. Quit getting your news from Facebook and people wearing tin foil hats and you are less likely to hurt someone.

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There is NO WAY we could possibly know that there are no intermediate or long term effects to menstrual cycles, fertility or to fetuses. There is ZERO way we could possibly know that. They do not recommend the vaccine for children under 12 (16 for FDA), so why would we just assume it is perfectly fine for fetuses in development?

Ultimately, my wife had already had Covid and they still pushed the vaccine on her but we decided we did not want to experiment on our unborn child with it. 3.5mo old and healthy. I am sure she would have been same if wife had gotten the vaccine...but ZERO way to know for sure. ZERO.

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GeographyAg said:

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AgRebel08 said:

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Its a weird virus affects all differently it seems and no one can explain that.

A lot of positive vaxx stories so ill share mine.

3 nurses all vaxxed all pregnant all lost their babies.

Was it the vax who knows.

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I just have to say, THIS ^^^ is, imho, the worst kind of Fear Porn there is.

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HAHA FALSE. The worst kind of fear porn ruins peoples way of life, limits freedoms, and even punishes people or affects their ability to put food on the table or provide for their family.

There is no harm in him thinking the vaccine could possibly contribute to miscarriages.

Anything that induces a fever in a pregnant woman can potentially contribute to a miscarriage. EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR KNOWS THIS. I know a handful of non-pregnant people (men) who had outright flu like symptoms with significant fever (one was a prolonged 103 fever) after the vaccination. Crazy thing was i think all of these people had already had Covid...and had way harsher reactions than anyone I know who got jabbed and didnt have Covid.

But on top of fever...we have NO IDEA what other things could potentially affect fetuses in the womb. We just know that FDA says no vaccine for younger than 16 and CDC says no for younger than 12.

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I do think there's harm. He's perpetuating a falsehood based on nothing but supposition.

Many women have fevers when pregnant and have no miscarriages. In fact, I ran a fever while pregnant and was fine. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that almost all women run a fever some time during their pregnancy. It's just part of life.

Covid causes fever and worse symptoms than getting the vaccine. A bad case of Covid causes long term damage and even death. Risk factors for pregnant women are considerable.

As a woman, I know my choice would be to take the vaccine and some Tylenol and get immunity.

I would not be listening to the fear porn that might keep me from taking that preventative step.

That's my opinion.

All 3 were vaccinated at the same time do to hospital regulations all 3 lost their child within 4 to 6 weeks of the vaccine being administered.

No way to say what caused it maybe they all ate at the same restaurant and that caused it, who knows.

But the problem is that these cases are shouted down by people like you and it harms us all. It should be discussed in a logically manner but unfortunately the science is settled for people like you.

AgRebel08 said:

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All 3 were vaccinated at the same time do to hospital regulations all 3 lost their child within 4 to 6 weeks of the vaccine being administered.

No way to say what caused it maybe they all ate at the same restaurant and that caused it, who knows.

But the problem is that these cases are shouted down by people like you and it harms us all. It should be discussed in a logically manner but unfortunately the science is settled for people like you.

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If that is the case, I am assuming they were all at the very least right about at the first trimester give-or-take when they lost their babies. The odds of that happening to all 3 of them are VERY low. Miscarriages are common, but the odds of them all losing their babies at 8-9 weeks are even low.

Here's the thing...I have seen countless people shouted down as crazy conspiracy theorists for just talking about women who have reported dramatic changes to menstrual cycles post-vaccine. Then months later, you see stuff like this come out. Don't let anyone call you a loon...we are VERY EARLY in all of this vaccine stuff.

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Item of Interest: NIH funds studies to assess potential effects of COVID-19 vaccination on menstruation

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https://www.nichd.nih.gov/newsroom/news/083021-COVID-19-vaccination-menstruation

SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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GeographyAg said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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GeographyAg said:

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AgRebel08 said:

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Its a weird virus affects all differently it seems and no one can explain that.

A lot of positive vaxx stories so ill share mine.

3 nurses all vaxxed all pregnant all lost their babies.

Was it the vax who knows.

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I just have to say, THIS ^^^ is, imho, the worst kind of Fear Porn there is.

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HAHA FALSE. The worst kind of fear porn ruins peoples way of life, limits freedoms, and even punishes people or affects their ability to put food on the table or provide for their family.

There is no harm in him thinking the vaccine could possibly contribute to miscarriages.

Anything that induces a fever in a pregnant woman can potentially contribute to a miscarriage. EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR KNOWS THIS. I know a handful of non-pregnant people (men) who had outright flu like symptoms with significant fever (one was a prolonged 103 fever) after the vaccination. Crazy thing was i think all of these people had already had Covid...and had way harsher reactions than anyone I know who got jabbed and didnt have Covid.

But on top of fever...we have NO IDEA what other things could potentially affect fetuses in the womb. We just know that FDA says no vaccine for younger than 16 and CDC says no for younger than 12.

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I do think there's harm. He's perpetuating a falsehood based on nothing but supposition.

Many women have fevers when pregnant and have no miscarriages. In fact, I ran a fever while pregnant and was fine. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that almost all women run a fever some time during their pregnancy. It's just part of life.

Covid causes fever and worse symptoms than getting the vaccine. A bad case of Covid causes long term damage and even death. Risk factors for pregnant women are considerable.

As a woman, I know my choice would be to take the vaccine and some Tylenol and get immunity.

I would not be listening to the fear porn that might keep me from taking that preventative step.

That's my opinion.

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If you had already fully recovered from Covid, would you still get the vaccine early or mid pregnancy?

If so, can you at least see why someone in that situation might weigh the risks differently...and not necessarily be stupid/crazy/an OMG-ANTIVAXXXERRR!?

Especially after knowing people who had recovered from Covid in the past, got the shot, and then got heavy flu-like sick from it?

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I'd get it as soon as my doctor recommended it.

Yes, and no. It honestly depends on where they're getting their info and who they're listening to. I can generally tell where they're getting their info from the words they use. If they're worried about "long term side effects" and all the other buzz words of the anti-vax community, I won't respect their decision because it's based on that instead of logic. I've had this argument too many times.

Yes. even knowing that you can get flu like symptoms from the vaccine, I'd still get it, but I'd be prepared to fight the symptoms.

The thing I know from my years of dealing with anti-vaxers is that they're always more afraid of the vaccine than the disease. I, on the other hand, am much more afraid of the disease.

Covid may be mild for most people, but it isn't for a LOT of them. I've now lost 8 people I personally know, including three family members. I've also known several who spent a lot of time in the hospital (and these were healthy individuals before and NOT FAT). If I were pregnant, knowing how hard it can be on your breathing and how much pressure the baby put on my diaphragm (from my personal experience), I'd definitely be wanting something designed to help me fight the disease.

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All 3 were vaccinated at the same time do to hospital regulations all 3 lost their child within 4 to 6 weeks of the vaccine being administered.

No way to say what caused it maybe they all ate at the same restaurant and that caused it, who knows.

But the problem is that these cases are shouted down by people like you and it harms us all. It should be discussed in a logically manner but unfortunately the science is settled for people like you.

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I'm not shouting anything down. I'm saying that they way you posted it was ridiculous. It was vague and frightening and lacking any kind of foundation in connection between the vaccine and the event.

4-6 weeks later seems VERY late for the vaccine to have had anything at all to do with it, imho, because the ingredients in the vaccine are gone very quickly (24 hours) from what I understand. Plus (as was theorized earlier) a fever 4-6 weeks later would not be from the vaccine (and you don't mention fever).

In any case, I hope these three ladies reported their situation to VARES because that way it can be investigated. I also hope their doctors looked into it to see if there is any other cause it could be. Too many times people just decide "it's got to be the vaccine" and never look at any other reason (stress, other environmental causes, etc).

I'm absolutely 100% behind a thorough investigation.

SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Gizzards said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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bay fan said:

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astros4545 said:

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AgShaun00 said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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You are certainly free to think those of us in the medical profession are worthless and don't follow science. You are also certainly free to not partake in the benefits those same professionals can offer you when you are sick. I am sure you will do fine with your M.D. degree from Google College of Medicine.

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Solid rebuttal...do you know with absolute certainty that this vaccine is 100% safe for fetuses in the womb...even though it is not recommended for children/pre-teens per CDC and FDA?

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You seem unclear about the difference between a fetus and a child. Fetus's are not independent of their mother while children are. The recommendations for a pregnant woman are very clear. The vaccine has not been contra indicated for children, they are simply studying it and once complete, recommendations will be made.

GeographyAg said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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GeographyAg said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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GeographyAg said:

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AgRebel08 said:

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Its a weird virus affects all differently it seems and no one can explain that.

A lot of positive vaxx stories so ill share mine.

3 nurses all vaxxed all pregnant all lost their babies.

Was it the vax who knows.

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I just have to say, THIS ^^^ is, imho, the worst kind of Fear Porn there is.

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HAHA FALSE. The worst kind of fear porn ruins peoples way of life, limits freedoms, and even punishes people or affects their ability to put food on the table or provide for their family.

There is no harm in him thinking the vaccine could possibly contribute to miscarriages.

Anything that induces a fever in a pregnant woman can potentially contribute to a miscarriage. EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR KNOWS THIS. I know a handful of non-pregnant people (men) who had outright flu like symptoms with significant fever (one was a prolonged 103 fever) after the vaccination. Crazy thing was i think all of these people had already had Covid...and had way harsher reactions than anyone I know who got jabbed and didnt have Covid.

But on top of fever...we have NO IDEA what other things could potentially affect fetuses in the womb. We just know that FDA says no vaccine for younger than 16 and CDC says no for younger than 12.

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I do think there's harm. He's perpetuating a falsehood based on nothing but supposition.

Many women have fevers when pregnant and have no miscarriages. In fact, I ran a fever while pregnant and was fine. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that almost all women run a fever some time during their pregnancy. It's just part of life.

Covid causes fever and worse symptoms than getting the vaccine. A bad case of Covid causes long term damage and even death. Risk factors for pregnant women are considerable.

As a woman, I know my choice would be to take the vaccine and some Tylenol and get immunity.

I would not be listening to the fear porn that might keep me from taking that preventative step.

That's my opinion.

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If you had already fully recovered from Covid, would you still get the vaccine early or mid pregnancy?

If so, can you at least see why someone in that situation might weigh the risks differently...and not necessarily be stupid/crazy/an OMG-ANTIVAXXXERRR!?

Especially after knowing people who had recovered from Covid in the past, got the shot, and then got heavy flu-like sick from it?

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If they're worried about "long term side effects" and all the other buzz words of the anti-vax community, I won't respect their decision because it's based on that instead of logic. I've had this argument too many times.

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Help me arm myself against their arguments. How are they stupid or brainwashed for wondering if there are long term side effects from a vaccine that was WAY rushed compared to how long it takes most other vaccines to develop and be approved?

Give me a rebuttal so I can use this against these heathens. How do you KNOW with 100% certainty that there are no long term side effects?

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I get, that I just wish I myself had more info. Not trying to be vague about it i just dont know everything. Its not something that they really want to talk about it.

I doubt they reported it as I'm pretty sure they were all 100% behind the vaccine. Its just too bizzare to be a coincidence in my mind.

As far as timing i tend to agree with you that you should have negative effect quickly. I am hunting about the one spike protein article that said its retained. Was that true?

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I curious to know the level of scrutiny you apply to other aspects of your life? Do you avoid auto repairs because you personally aren't an expert? I know this is your life and more precious but at some point we all have to make a choice to let experts tell us what's best for our Situation in fields we don't fully understand. I'm sure you are an expert in your line of work and others have no choice but to rely on your judgment.

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bay fan said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Gizzards said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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bay fan said:

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astros4545 said:

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AgShaun00 said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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You are certainly free to think those of us in the medical profession are worthless and don't follow science. You are also certainly free to not partake in the benefits those same professionals can offer you when you are sick. I am sure you will do fine with your M.D. degree from Google College of Medicine.

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Solid rebuttal...do you know with absolute certainty that this vaccine is 100% safe for fetuses in the womb...even though it is not recommended for children/pre-teens per CDC and FDA?

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You seem unclear about the difference between a fetus and a child. Fetus's are not independent of their mother while children are. The recommendations for a pregnant woman are very clear. The vaccine has not been contra indicated for children, they are simply studying it and once complete, recommendations will be made.

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Our fetus was our child to us and we did not want to expose our fetus to something they do not recommend exposing 11 y/o children to. Does that makes sense?

Again, my wife had recovered from Covid already.

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No. It does not make sense based upon the medical recommendations after sufficient study. A child is independent from its mother while a fetus is not being inoculated when it's mother is. That ought to make sense to everyone.