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Gizzards said:

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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You are certainly free to think those of us in the medical profession are worthless and don't follow science. You are also certainly free to not partake in the benefits those same professionals can offer you when you are sick. I am sure you will do fine with your M.D. degree from Google College of Medicine.

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Solid rebuttal...do you know with absolute certainty that this vaccine is 100% safe for fetuses in the womb...even though it is not recommended for children/pre-teens per CDC and FDA?

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You seem unclear about the difference between a fetus and a child. Fetus's are not independent of their mother while children are. The recommendations for a pregnant woman are very clear. The vaccine has not been contra indicated for children, they are simply studying it and once complete, recommendations will be made.

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Our fetus was our child to us and we did not want to expose our fetus to something they do not recommend exposing 11 y/o children to. Does that makes sense?

Again, my wife had recovered from Covid already.

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No. It does not make sense based upon the medical recommendations after sufficient study. A child is independent from its mother while a fetus is not being inoculated when it's mother is. That ought to make sense to everyone.

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It doesn't, please break it down to me how a fetus is not in any way exposed to or affected by a vaccine administered to the mother. Serious question, as I do not know. Maybe none of it crosses the placenta?

That being said...my wife had already recovered from prior case of Covid...we knew several recovered people who ran serious fever after vaccination...so that is largely why we decided to trust her immunity. We didn't want her running a fever with child in utero if it could be helped. Vaccination induced fever or flu-like response to the vaccination was our main concern given she had already beat Covid. Does that at least make sense? Or are you so married to the recommendation for all pregnant women to be vaxxed no matter what that you are blinded to simple logic and reasoning?

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Its a weird virus affects all differently it seems and no one can explain that.

A lot of positive vaxx stories so ill share mine.

3 nurses all vaxxed all pregnant all lost their babies.

Was it the vax who knows.

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I just have to say, THIS ^^^ is, imho, the worst kind of Fear Porn there is.

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HAHA FALSE. The worst kind of fear porn ruins peoples way of life, limits freedoms, and even punishes people or affects their ability to put food on the table or provide for their family.

There is no harm in him thinking the vaccine could possibly contribute to miscarriages.

Anything that induces a fever in a pregnant woman can potentially contribute to a miscarriage. EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR KNOWS THIS. I know a handful of non-pregnant people (men) who had outright flu like symptoms with significant fever (one was a prolonged 103 fever) after the vaccination. Crazy thing was i think all of these people had already had Covid...and had way harsher reactions than anyone I know who got jabbed and didnt have Covid.

But on top of fever...we have NO IDEA what other things could potentially affect fetuses in the womb. We just know that FDA says no vaccine for younger than 16 and CDC says no for younger than 12.

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I do think there's harm. He's perpetuating a falsehood based on nothing but supposition.

Many women have fevers when pregnant and have no miscarriages. In fact, I ran a fever while pregnant and was fine. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that almost all women run a fever some time during their pregnancy. It's just part of life.

Covid causes fever and worse symptoms than getting the vaccine. A bad case of Covid causes long term damage and even death. Risk factors for pregnant women are considerable.

As a woman, I know my choice would be to take the vaccine and some Tylenol and get immunity.

I would not be listening to the fear porn that might keep me from taking that preventative step.

That's my opinion.

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If you had already fully recovered from Covid, would you still get the vaccine early or mid pregnancy?

If so, can you at least see why someone in that situation might weigh the risks differently...and not necessarily be stupid/crazy/an OMG-ANTIVAXXXERRR!?

Especially after knowing people who had recovered from Covid in the past, got the shot, and then got heavy flu-like sick from it?

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I'd get it as soon as my doctor recommended it.

Yes, and no. It honestly depends on where they're getting their info and who they're listening to. I can generally tell where they're getting their info from the words they use. If they're worried about "long term side effects" and all the other buzz words of the anti-vax community, I won't respect their decision because it's based on that instead of logic. I've had this argument too many times.

Yes. even knowing that you can get flu like symptoms from the vaccine, I'd still get it, but I'd be prepared to fight the symptoms.

The thing I know from my years of dealing with anti-vaxers is that they're always more afraid of the vaccine than the disease. I, on the other hand, am much more afraid of the disease.

Covid may be mild for most people, but it isn't for a LOT of them. I've now lost 8 people I personally know, including three family members. I've also known several who spent a lot of time in the hospital (and these were healthy individuals before and NOT FAT). If I were pregnant, knowing how hard it can be on your breathing and how much pressure the baby put on my diaphragm (from my personal experience), I'd definitely be wanting something designed to help me fight the disease.

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Talking to a man about the reality of what pregnancy feels like is basically like running into a wall.

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I can only imagine. My wife is amazing and an absolute beast!

But what does how a pregnant woman feels in any way have to do with my above bolded scenario? Am I missing something? She already beat Covid prior to pregnancy. We knew multiple recovered people who had pretty harsh flu-like responses to vaccination (including serious fever) and that gave us pause.

I believe we made a completely rational decision. The decision is not the same for everyone and it's scary that people think it should be.

If I was 18 and in great shape, I would LOVE my odds and probably no way I would get vaxxed. Why should they? They are at MUCH greater risk of dying in car crash or in a number of other ways than dying from Covid.

Oh, the infant that statistically has basically no chance of having a severe case of covid? That infant?

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The dr is about to lose a pregnant patient to COVID and now thinks she needs it. Is there any research out there one way or another that this is a good or bad idea? She is now stressed and has high blood pressure now.

Just looking for research to send her so she can make a factual decision.

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Women have been giving birth for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years without the vaccine

Why add variables

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You don't think Covid itself is a new variable? My goodness, give me a vaccine to address the new threat of covid complications all day long because let's face it, it's women losing their lives in this circumstance not men.

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Do we know what the vaccine does to menstrual cycles? Fertility? Fetuses in utero?

If it causes heart inflammation in a disproportionate amount of young people who are not at risk of dying from Covid statistically, could it possibly do same, or worse, for little children and babies?

WE DON'T KNOW. OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST HAVE ZERO CLUE.

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You are certainly free to think those of us in the medical profession are worthless and don't follow science. You are also certainly free to not partake in the benefits those same professionals can offer you when you are sick. I am sure you will do fine with your M.D. degree from Google College of Medicine.

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Solid rebuttal...do you know with absolute certainty that this vaccine is 100% safe for fetuses in the womb...even though it is not recommended for children/pre-teens per CDC and FDA?

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Never said I did know, nor am I arguing any of your points about the vaccine. Just pointing out that taking pot shots at an entire profession is the weakest way to argue. You have now responded to my same post in two different responses. Seems you are wound up a little too tight and just love to argue. Have fun with that.

In short, the CDC has no basis to recommend the vaccine to pregnant women. Will lack of evidence make a difference in the CDC recommendation? Of course not. We'll experiment on the public.

— Steve Kirsch (@stkirsch) September 17, 2021

Wife had covid while pregnant no issues with pregnancy. Infant caught RSV and has had lingering issues for a month. Really only one of these things is troublesome for infants.

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NEJM published a correction... they now admit that there is no evidence that the vaccines are safe for pregnant women. Whoops. Took them months to respond to our group. Look for the "1" at the VERY top of the page. https://t.co/6nQ5h9fftx

— Steve Kirsch (@stkirsch) September 17, 2021

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Nothing in the article or correction supports that "entrepreneur"s tweet. He is also well known for spreading vaccine misinformation despite having no expertise in medicine, biochem, virology, or really anything of relevance for that matter.

From the editorial:

"Among 827 registry participants who reported a completed pregnancy, 104 experienced spontaneous abortions and 1 had a stillbirth. A total of 712 pregnancies (86.1%) resulted in a live birth, mostly among participants who received their first vaccination dose in the third trimester. Among live-born infants, the incidences of preterm birth (9.4%), small size for gestational age (3.2%), and congenital anomalies (2.2%) were consistent with those expected on the basis of published literature. There were no neonatal deaths. These are reassuring data based on reports from pregnant women mostly vaccinated in the third trimester."

Late to this topic but relevant anecdotal info, my wife was vaccinated in her third trimester at the recommendation of her OB and our 4 month old baby girl is perfectly healthy. She had zero side effects from the vaccine (Pfizer).

she had her baby last week. Her blood pressure went up so the dr said not to get vaccinated.

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Coworker (30) was due 10/10...got covid around 9/12. Got covid pneumonia, sick for about 10 days.

Came back to work for a few days, doctor decided to induce for some other reason.

Mom and baby are perfectly fine.

Unvaxxxed.

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You try being almost due with Covid pneumonia, far from ideal. Unvaxxed is right.