With the new talking points that 2 shots of vaccine aren't enough to protect you from contracting covid, though it MAY lesson symptoms if you get it. What is the corona board's opinion on a 3rd or 4th booster shot? Will you take every booster that Pfizer tells you you need, or will you say stop at some point?

3rd shot should only be for the most vulnerable at this point. Maybe a dose 1 of mRNA for J&J. The lack of science going into these recommendations is just mind boggling.

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With the new talking points that 2 shots of vaccine aren't enough to protect you from contracting covid, though it MAY lesson symptoms if you get it. What is the corona board's opinion on a 3rd or 4th booster shot? Will you take every booster that Pfizer tells you you need, or will you say stop at some point?

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The 2 shots didn't seem to ever protect you from contracting Covid. Seems their major benefit has been preventing severe illness.

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gkaggie08 said:

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With the new talking points that 2 shots of vaccine aren't enough to protect you from contracting covid, though it MAY lesson symptoms if you get it. What is the corona board's opinion on a 3rd or 4th booster shot? Will you take every booster that Pfizer tells you you need, or will you say stop at some point?

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The 2 shots didn't seem to ever protect you from contracting Covid. Seems their major benefit has been preventing severe illness.

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I don't think anyone expected the bolded part to be true. Anyone who took the the shots were told it was strictly to keep you from getting super sick in the hospital. I really wish you and those of you who think that this is a boogie man talking point would stop.

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aggierogue said:

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gkaggie08 said:

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With the new talking points that 2 shots of vaccine aren't enough to protect you from contracting covid, though it MAY lesson symptoms if you get it. What is the corona board's opinion on a 3rd or 4th booster shot? Will you take every booster that Pfizer tells you you need, or will you say stop at some point?

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The 2 shots didn't seem to ever protect you from contracting Covid. Seems their major benefit has been preventing severe illness.

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I don't think anyone expected the bolded part to be true. Anyone who took the the shots were told it was strictly to keep you from getting super sick in the hospital. I really wish you and those of you who think that this is a boogie man talking point would stop.

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This can't be stated enough. The efficacy studies themselves outright stated they were looking to see how effective they were at preventing sickness, not infection. And Fauci himself stated almost a year ago the goal was preventing sickness, not infection. Anything else is revisionist history.

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Charpie said:

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aggierogue said:

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gkaggie08 said:

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With the new talking points that 2 shots of vaccine aren't enough to protect you from contracting covid, though it MAY lesson symptoms if you get it. What is the corona board's opinion on a 3rd or 4th booster shot? Will you take every booster that Pfizer tells you you need, or will you say stop at some point?

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The 2 shots didn't seem to ever protect you from contracting Covid. Seems their major benefit has been preventing severe illness.

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I don't think anyone expected the bolded part to be true. Anyone who took the the shots were told it was strictly to keep you from getting super sick in the hospital. I really wish you and those of you who think that this is a boogie man talking point would stop.

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This can't be stated enough. The efficacy studies themselves outright stated they were looking to see how effective they were at preventing sickness, not infection. And Fauci himself stated almost a year ago the goal was preventing sickness, not infection. Anything else is revisionist history.

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The "consensus" was it would prevent serious illness but also highly effective at preventing covid thus slowing the spread. Pretty clear now the vaccines are, especially Pfizer aren't near as good as hoped, some studies down in the 40's% effective against Delta.

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Charpie said:

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gkaggie08 said:

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With the new talking points that 2 shots of vaccine aren't enough to protect you from contracting covid, though it MAY lesson symptoms if you get it. What is the corona board's opinion on a 3rd or 4th booster shot? Will you take every booster that Pfizer tells you you need, or will you say stop at some point?

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The 2 shots didn't seem to ever protect you from contracting Covid. Seems their major benefit has been preventing severe illness.

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I don't think anyone expected the bolded part to be true. Anyone who took the the shots were told it was strictly to keep you from getting super sick in the hospital. I really wish you and those of you who think that this is a boogie man talking point would stop.

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This can't be stated enough. The efficacy studies themselves outright stated they were looking to see how effective they were at preventing sickness, not infection. And Fauci himself stated almost a year ago the goal was preventing sickness, not infection. Anything else is revisionist history.

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The "consensus" was it would prevent serious illness but also highly effective at preventing covid thus slowing the spread. Pretty clear now the vaccines are, especially Pfizer aren't near as good as hoped, some studies down in the 40's% effective against Delta.

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Consensus among who? The media? Did you even read the efficacy studies?

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gkaggie08 said:

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With the new talking points that 2 shots of vaccine aren't enough to protect you from contracting covid, though it MAY lesson symptoms if you get it. What is the corona board's opinion on a 3rd or 4th booster shot? Will you take every booster that Pfizer tells you you need, or will you say stop at some point?

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The 2 shots didn't seem to ever protect you from contracting Covid. Seems their major benefit has been preventing severe illness.

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I don't think anyone expected the bolded part to be true. Anyone who took the the shots were told it was strictly to keep you from getting super sick in the hospital. I really wish you and those of you who think that this is a boogie man talking point would stop.

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Yeah, what idiot would believe something like that!

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"Now, usually, as many of you know, the effectiveness in the real world is often not as good as the efficacy in the pristine conditions of a clinical trial," Fauci said. "We have found just the opposite with COVID-19 vaccines, where effectiveness is easily as good, if not better, in the real world setting."

He cited a study of more than 23,000 employees of the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, where vaccinations began December 15, 2020. There was just a 0.05% infection rate among workers who were fully immunized, he said.

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And? Every pamphlet..every nurse...the lady who gave me my shot..the documents they gave me when I got the shot..none of them mentioned that I wouldn't keep me from getting sick. It was always about keeping from getting super sick.

That quote was told when? What it when COVID wasn't as transmissible? It still doesn't say that the vaccine keeps you from getting sick. A link would be great.

I will also mention that my daughter has now had close contact with someone with COVID 6 times (up one more from exposure from last week) since this summer. She's fully vaccinated and has yet to have gotten sick.

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It's also anecdotal, but I've been exposed multiple times (including a close work setting and sleeping in the same bed as wife/child for 5+ days) and never contracted it (or contracted it and was asymptomatic).

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Three shots in, and I've been exposed (due to the nature of my work) to several dozen Covid positive people (and counting). I keep testing negative so something is working.

People need to realize that in terms of data collection on efficacy we are still in a very short time period. It is quite likely that the vaccines do prevent some folks from getting infected, but as of yet we don't know how many. We have better data that suggest they keep serious illnesses and hospitalizations and deaths at bay, but not for everyone.

Risk reduction is not risk elimination. I'm perfectly happy with the former.

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Go back and read what I said...i never said it would 100% prevent infection, they never said that but they DID say highly effective at preventing infection....that has changed in the recent months.

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That is primarily due to the proliferation of the Delta variant and the mRNA spike protein in Pfizer specifically does not match well with the mutated Delta spike. Sucks but it was feared that something like that could happen.

It was also widely predicted that boosters may be needed someday as the only way to know how long a vaccine lasts is cases over time. This is why most vaccines are in phase 3 for 5+ years before they are rolled out in non-emergent situations.

The good news is that many vaccines give long term immunity when there is a long gap between doses-- actually every vaccine except flu and DTaP give long term immunity with a staggered dosing schedule, many of them 3 dose.

But only time will tell with Moderna & Pfizer vax.

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Go back and read what I said...i never said it would 100% prevent infection, they never said that but they DID say highly effective at preventing infection....that has changed in the recent months.

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Again, who is "they"? The Pfizer and Moderna efficacy studies didn't set out to gauge infection prevention.