aggierogue said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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aggierogue said:

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SoupNazi2001 said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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I know 3 vaccinated breakthroughs in my circle. All three had multiple kids at home (unvaccinated) that tested positive first. I know of more than a dozen unvaccinated that have gotten it in the last two months. I know two hundred (friends, family, my large rotary club, coworkers) that are vaccinated and all have stayed clear since their vaccine.

Aren't anecdotal numbers fun?

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The fact that you know 3 vaccinated breakthroughs should be evidence that the vaccine is not stopping the spread. Curbing? Sure. Better than being unvaccinated? Sure. I never argued otherwise. I'm simply saying that there are too many people getting breakthrough cases to pretend that you're going to be protected by being vaccinated.

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People use condoms and take oral birth control medication and still have babies. That doesn't make them bad or ineffective. But if you don't want children would you rather use them or go commando and take your chances?

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That's your argument for a vaccine that has about 60 percent protection after 3 months?

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I give up. If you honestly believe that the safest thing you can do is to choose to not get vaccinated you go for it. Roll those dice. Or maybe spend some time reading the thread on this board telling the stories of the three people who rolled the dice and spent weeks in the hospital.

And depending on your age thank your parents or grandparents for being brave enough to take that experimental polio and new and improved smallpox vaccine in the 50's.

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We all knew debating here wouldn't change anyone's mind. Only thread that ever changed maybe anyones mind was the one where 4 good folks not vaccinated ended up in the hospital but thankfully recovered, all saying they will get vaccinated asap.

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You are picking 4 people. Do you really think 4 random stories out of a country of 330 million people changes minds. People know their own health and can evaluate the risks. Stories aren't told of ones that have mild Covid recover and are fine but that is the vast majority of people. Those stories aren't interesting or frightening though.

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It appears that anecdotal evidence is only relevant if if fits the narrative.

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Have nothing to say so falling back on 'narrative' eh? Also 99% recovery rate means nothing if you're the 1%. Do a seach on facebook for 'covid vent' and you'll see thousands of posts in the last 24 hours of desperate family.

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I'm not sure why my stance is so upsetting to some of you. I'm in my forties, not overweight, and eat healthier than 99 percent of people I know. So I think my chances are greater than 99 percent. But the fact that I've also seen very healthy people get very sick is not lost on me. I'm also perfectly aware that I could be in that group that ends up regretting my decision. I certainly don't think I'm bulletproof.

I just have to be convinced that there aren't long term dangers to this vaccine. You're going to tell me there is zero risk in taking the vaccine. Plenty of people would disagree.

The longer the vaccines are available to public with no long term side effects, the more I will trust them.

The more the efficacy drops with the vaccines in terms of protecting from Covid or keeping people out of the hospital, the less use I have for them as well.

I wish I was less of a skeptic sometimes. Life would be easier. But I don't trust the government. I don't trust many of the medical governing bodies or the shareholders of big pharma as well.

I think you'd have to be a fool to not acknowledge that politics are heavily embedded on the vaccine issue.

So here I am at the crossroads.

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aggierogue said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Gordo14 said:

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Zobel said:

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Most viruses have no treatment.

Prescribing medications that don't work is at best the same as doing nothing, at worst carries additional hazard.

For most people, there is no medication that's going to help. But that's ok, because for most people a full recovery is certain.

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Huh?

Something as simple as aspirin could be considered treatment.

There are treatments for the flu (Tamiflu), HIV, Cold sores (Valtrex), RSV, common cold, etc. Those are just a few off the top of my head.

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Most of those treat the symptoms more than they treat the virus itself. Antibiotics are very effective for bacteria, but viruses in general are substantially harder to treat without your immune systems help.

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Sure I get that. But we're talking about symptoms right? Much like the current vaccine, if you could find a drug that would treat the symptoms of Covid and get you to wellness, that would be great news right? Currently the vaccine is not treating the virus. It is treating the symptoms by making them less severe. Tell me where I'm wrong?

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The point of a perfect vaccine is to keep you from getting the virus in the first place. For example:

Polio vaccine? Yep. Down to pockets in about 4 countries. They get oral immunizations yearly. It's close to being eradicated.
Smallpox? Yep. The vaccine eradicated the disease.

Or kill the virus once you have been exposed. For example: Rabies.

Not every vaccine is perfect. The yearly flu vaccine being a good example.

I would say that the current vaccine is doing a pretty decent job based on the numbers hospitals are reporting. Yes there are breakthroughs but the overwhelming majority of cases are in the unvaccinated class. And those that are breaking through seem less severe.

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Half of the hospitalizations in the most vaccinated country in the world are now fully vaccinated. 1 in 150 now have Covid in Israel. 7,500 new cases daily. And they are near 80 percent vaccinated for 12 and up.

There are 8 people on my team where I work. Seven are fully vaccinated, and I'm the only one not vaccinated. Two have already contracted Covid in the last month. I personally know far more people who have contracted Covid who are fully vaccinated than I do who are not vaccinated.

This vaccine isn't keeping people from getting Covid. It's keeping people from getting severely sick, and that's not even always the case.

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DadHammer said:

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Why, they now have natural immunity.

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eric76 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Gordo14 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Zobel said:

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Most viruses have no treatment.

Prescribing medications that don't work is at best the same as doing nothing, at worst carries additional hazard.

For most people, there is no medication that's going to help. But that's ok, because for most people a full recovery is certain.

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Huh?

Something as simple as aspirin could be considered treatment.

There are treatments for the flu (Tamiflu), HIV, Cold sores (Valtrex), RSV, common cold, etc. Those are just a few off the top of my head.

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Most of those treat the symptoms more than they treat the virus itself. Antibiotics are very effective for bacteria, but viruses in general are substantially harder to treat without your immune systems help.

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Sure I get that. But we're talking about symptoms right? Much like the current vaccine, if you could find a drug that would treat the symptoms of Covid and get you to wellness, that would be great news right? Currently the vaccine is not treating the virus. It is treating the symptoms by making them less severe. Tell me where I'm wrong?

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The point of a perfect vaccine is to keep you from getting the virus in the first place. For example:

Polio vaccine? Yep. Down to pockets in about 4 countries. They get oral immunizations yearly. It's close to being eradicated.
Smallpox? Yep. The vaccine eradicated the disease.

Or kill the virus once you have been exposed. For example: Rabies.

Not every vaccine is perfect. The yearly flu vaccine being a good example.

I would say that the current vaccine is doing a pretty decent job based on the numbers hospitals are reporting. Yes there are breakthroughs but the overwhelming majority of cases are in the unvaccinated class. And those that are breaking through seem less severe.

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Half of the hospitalizations in the most vaccinated country in the world are now fully vaccinated. 1 in 150 now have Covid in Israel. 7,500 new cases daily. And they are near 80 percent vaccinated for 12 and up.

There are 8 people on my team where I work. Seven are fully vaccinated, and I'm the only one not vaccinated. Two have already contracted Covid in the last month. I personally know far more people who have contracted Covid who are fully vaccinated than I do who are not vaccinated.

This vaccine isn't keeping people from getting Covid. It's keeping people from getting severely sick, and that's not even always the case.

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Suppose that 90% of a population has been vaccinated and they account for half of the cases. Then that means that the 10% of the population that hasn't been vaccinated also accounts for half of the cases. It would suck to be in that 10% that hasn't been vaccinated.

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Windy City Ag said:

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Most people rightly listen to their doctor over rumble.com.

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My doctor prescribes Ivermectin. He brought it up without me even asking last week.

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Wild love t known who you're doctor is, I need a new one.

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fullback44 said:

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evidently this came from John Hopkins.. not real sure though

also not sure why my Dr prescribes ivermectin or where he gets his research data from to make these decisions but I would think this is one of the main reasons.. countrys in Africa taking ivermectin for river blindness have seen far far more less covid deaths.. India has had the same results in the regions talking Ivermectin ..

BTW, I had covid last year, my Dr gave me this treatment regimen

HCQ
Doxy
Ivermectin
Steroid inhaler (dont remember which one)
zinc (some special form, cant remember this either)
vitamin D and multimin

took if for 6 days and quit taking it .. felt better after 2 days feeling kind of crappy

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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My treatment for Covid back in June 2020 was the following:

Two vodka coktails per night
One 10mg edible per night
Max of 2 cigarettes

I only lost sense of smell. Also felt kind of sluggish for 2 days but not sick at all. One 3-mile run in the 95 degree heat was pretty tough, I must say.

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Mathguy64 said:

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Crazy Ag 97 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Windy City Ag said:

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Most people rightly listen to their doctor over rumble.com.

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My doctor prescribes Ivermectin. He brought it up without me even asking last week.

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Wild love t known who you're doctor is, I need a new one.

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He admits his doctor doesnt know which vaccine is an mRNA one and which one isnt. They are not exactly high on the "I know what Im doing treating COVID patients" list.

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aggierogue said:

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Newsflash: Most doctors are not the wealth of knowledge that you might think they are.

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TelcoAg said:

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gunan01 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Newsflash: Most doctors are not the wealth of knowledge that you might think they are.

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But aggierogue is!

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Naw, he's right here. If you believe every doctor out there is walking out of the private practice and diving into COVID research then you're naive.

There's a reason some lawyers get paid $1,000 an hour and some get $125.

I mean you can easily blame the opioid crisis on doctors who loved being wined and dined by Purdue and bought into the marketing and kickbacks. Not all docs are equal

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TelcoAg said:

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gunan01 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Newsflash: Most doctors are not the wealth of knowledge that you might think they are.

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But aggierogue is!

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Naw, he's right here. If you believe every doctor out there is walking out of the private practice and diving into COVID research then you're naive.

There's a reason some lawyers get paid $1,000 an hour and some get $125.

I mean you can easily blame the opioid crisis on doctors who loved being wined and dined by Purdue and bought into the marketing and kickbacks. Not all docs are equal

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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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To preface what I am about to say, people have a right to their opinion and physicians have a right to prescribe what ever they feel appropriate and pharmacists also have the right to deny or fill prescriptions based on what they believe to be appropriate.

That said, this video ignores the in vitro study required markedly toxic levels of ivermectin to demonstrate its "anti-viral properties". It also ignores the highest quality study to date on the subject from JAMA which demonstrated ivermectin to be ineffective in early disease. The TOGETHER trial (see slide 21) has reported its results, and will soon publish their results of multiple repurposed drugs to fight against COVID. It will be the highest quality evidence once published, and its results are negative for the use of ivermectin for mild COVID.

People claiming ivermectin is only a horse dewormer are misinformed much like those claiming it to be a cure. Physicians and government health agencies generally prefer to base therapies on evidence. And of the high quality evidence available, ivermectin is ineffective. We don't make decisions based on Youtube or "rumble" videos.

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I wish more people would comment like this on either side of any issue.

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